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See I think better then Stamford , more coming !
 

Wow, surprise?? 
 
Funny how the truth starts to trickle to the surface?
 
So much for the "financial" crisis spin??
 
Good old anti-union animus alive and well.
 
I am sure that the News12 story is only one of many to come. Careful, who you elect in your annual popularity contests, your vote may come back to embarrass you and your entire Department. 
 
In this case, your vote will undoubtably cost your Village and Department enough money that the next gold laced fire truck or grossly oversized ladder truck that you were dreaming about ends up being built by Mattel.
 
Hint...when these clowns wash out of another volunteer fire department, there is usually a good reason for it. Don't become the "Florida" of your local volunteer system and accept all of the trash that funnels down hill. 
 
And for all of those that like to cry how the IAFF is running around with false claims of pamphlets on how to eliminate volunteers, Port Chester FD Volunteer Leadership has just provided an epic historical blunder that will resonate for decades the facts about who is trying to eliminate who.
 
Nothing like the truth to ruin a good fantasy.
 
 
 
 

For the record there is nothing allegedly about it, it's 100% accurate.  That comment is only the tip of the ice burg!   You should here the rest of the comments he made, some down right voguer and disgusting about the career firefighters and anyone who was speaking on their behave.  The lack of actions to this point by the Village Board is embarrassing and disgraceful.  Maybe its time the Attorney General's Public Integrity Bureau needs to step in and start an investigation!

 
What the [expletive] is going on in Port Chester?!  Every time I look at the news this story gets even quirkier!  I'm sure there has got to be a screenwriter out there kicking himself for not coming up with this disgusting filth for a movie! hahaha

Fired ? He should be run out of town, maybe back to North White Plains. No, wait a minute, they already threw him out. What a coward. 

Well it just got a lot deeper, We in the dept new about this for a year now . Can someone put the new's 12 story for today about the so called dept head . and yes please be sitting when you here this story !

Well it just got a lot deeper, We in the dept new about this for a year now . Can someone put the new's 12 story for today about the so called dept head . and yes please be sitting when you here this story !

This isn't an issue isolated to this company / municipalities.  I spent much of my six years as a Chief Officer trying to get this information and to convince the village to paint the hydrants to comply with the NFPA Flow Color Code.

Just to report on what I have been told. It seems from many New Yorkers they feel this Museum should be FREE for all to see.  Our Country already paid a very heavy price and just as places like Arlington Cemetary, we, the people of this country should NOT have to pay to visit the history of how America suffered on that tragic day.
 
It was also reported to me that the top administrators of this 9/11 Museum are making large profits from this project.
 
After hearing of this, I, along with several friends decided not to visit.
 
Perhaps that is the main reason why New Yorkers are NOT visiting this museum, while outsiders are. Perhaps those New Yorkers know more than anyone else what a high price that was paid on that terrible day. Perhaps New Yorkers are fully aware of some of the salaries involved in this while outsiders are not.
 
 Take it as you may. You decide for yourself.

As I read through this entire thread it now appears that these eight firefighters should have never lost their jobs. Those jobs were apparently unjustly taken away without cause.
 
My suggestion to those firefighters would be to ban together and seek legal justice through their own attorney representing this group. I'm sure they would also have the backing of the IAFF as well as other departments.
 
It appears that many in the volunteer organization also would be willing to back them. A show that the Brotherhood is still Alive and Well in today's fire service. 
 
This type of behind closed doors activity can not be tolerated. As you read this, those Eight innocent victims of these chiefs are wondering what will be next. They were punished for no reason at all.
 
And those three chiefs apparently didn't care who they hurt or who would suffer, including the citizens and their own volunteer firefighters. Now we also see that three of the Six Board Members never accepted the responsibilities they were assigned to do.
 
Port Chester needs to bring those firefighters back to work. And as I see it Port Chester owns them what they should have never lost in the first place.

3 of the 6 of the village board are removed from office on Friday  after it was found out that they did not sign there oath of office after there election on March 15 . They had 30 days to do so . Gee I wonder how they found out ?

Correct on who to blame. No one but those THREE CHIEFS.
 
Regardless of how any other members of these departments felt about this subject, it is solely the responsibility of those chiefs. As the leaders of the fire service, it is up to those chiefs to make the right decision based on what is best for its members and the public. "Those THREE CHIEFS Own this - NOBODY else". They had the final say. They made the choice. They are responsible. Not anybody else.
 
 However, it is up to the entire membership to realize just what these individuals did. They put YOU and the CITIZENS at a GREATER RISK in making this decision. It is up to the membership to make that perfectly clear to both the political leaders and the citizens as well. There is no denying it that without these eight career firefighters, EVERYONE could suffer. Any knowledgeable Chief would certainly go AGAINST this kind of decision and then let the cards fall as they may.
 
I hope these chiefs are fully aware of just how this entire matter backfired on them. I also hope if there are other chiefs out there who have considered this kind of action, perhaps they should RECONSIDER.
 
 By making this choice, these THREE CHIEFS have not only let those eight Port Chester Firefighters down, but also its entire volunteer membership and the people who live and work in that town.

 
Appears to be a foregone conclusion that MOST of the officers, along with the volunteer force, had no idea what the three cheeses, I mean chiefs, were orchestrating.

 
 Excellent point. Apparently those THREE Chiefs have not only put the citizens and their property at risk, but with their decision to eliminate those eight career firefighters, they have put their own members at risk as well. I am very glad to see that some of Port Chester's own volunteer firefighters realize that. It doesn't really matter which T-shirt or uniform you wear. Firefighters get hurt and even sometimes die while performing their duties.
 
  Those three chiefs should have NEVER recommended the removal of the "PC8". The chiefs have apparently proven to many the real lack of knowledge within the fire service they have. As well as the total lack of concern they have for those who must depend on them. For any fire chief to recommend the elimination of any firefighters under their command goes AGAINST everything taught or learned from past experience.
 
 The best thing those chiefs can do is to make amends and admit their foolish mistake by bringing back those eight career firefighters. The first step is to bring back those eight firefighters. The next thing for those chiefs is to readily admit how wrong they were. Fire Chiefs are human too. They make mistakes as well. But it is much easier to admit a mistake like this now, Rather than NOT admit a mistake today and attend a funeral later because they wouldn't.

Thank you "bigrig" for keeping us ALL updated. As we outside of the Westchester area continue to follow every move very closely keeping a watchful eye on "The Port Chester Eight" situtation.
 
Not only is the job of these Eight firefighters at stake, but also the lives and property of those who depended on them. From sixteen, to eight, and now to ZERO career firefighters.
 
 "PCFD58" states, "it won't take long for things to go sour". Question - What type of fire service leader would be willing to risk it and go along with cutting any career firefighters ? I would guess that this also puts those fire chiefs at a liability if the worst case should happen by encouraging this action rather than trying to fight against it.
 
Take my word for it, the Brotherhood is alive and well. And will be watching........

At the board meeting tonight, a re-vote in two weeks was decided.  The 2 trustees who abstained/voted no brought it up.  Large turnout by career FFs, somewhat for residents.  

Just a reminder , the Port Chester Career staff was at 16 . 8 is all that is left after retirements that were not filled. So this has been coming in my eyes for a few years .
 

It won't take long for it to go sour, stay tuned .

Just a reminder , the Port Chester Career staff was at 16 . 8 is all that is left after retirements that were not filled. So this has been coming in my eyes for a few years .
 

Just a reminder , the Port Chester Career staff was at 16 . 8 is all that is left after retirements that were not filled. So this has been coming in my eyes for a few years .
 

Just a reminder , the Port Chester Career staff was at 16 . 8 is all that is left after retirements that were not filled. So this has been coming in my eyes for a few years .
 

 
They kept saying one career firefighter on one fire engine shows up and they are correct. What they are not doing is finishing the rest of the story . When I got hired we had 16 strong career with 400 Volunteers with about 300 give or take and the rest [ 100 ]the older members . The Career staff runs Engine 58 and Engine 59 . When a call came in on the fire phone the firefighter at HQ answered the call and got the info . When it was determined whos call it was [ Eng58 lower Port Chester ] with most of the work or Eng 59 with more area but less work [ mostly bedroom  but some very large buildings [ General  foods 1900 by 500 ] and so on . If it was 58's call he would stop talking and the Sta. 4 firefighter [ Eng 59 ]would get the rest of the info with 58 hitting the road mostly in 60 or so sec. I pulled up to many working fires to find Volunteer firefighters either already standing there or in the building looking for people or the fire . Engine 58 & 59 have 800 gallon tanks and preconnect  lines more scotts to handle the guys already on location .the firefighters would take the lines in and starting to attack the fire . As a rule we did not hit hydrants but had the tools to do so . The next in engine would supply 58 or 59 .That is what was taken away from the dept . 

Just a reminder , the Port Chester Career staff was at 16 . 8 is all that is left after retirements that were not filled. So this has been coming in my eyes for a few years .
 

Just a reminder , the Port Chester Career staff was at 16 . 8 is all that is left after retirements that were not filled. So this has been coming in my eyes for a few years .
 

 
They kept saying one career firefighter on one fire engine shows up and they are correct. What they are not doing is finishing the rest of the story . When I got hired we had 16 strong career with 400 Volunteers with about 300 give or take and the rest [ 100 ]the older members . The Career staff runs Engine 58 and Engine 59 . When a call came in on the fire phone the firefighter at HQ answered the call and got the info . When it was determined whos call it was [ Eng58 lower Port Chester ] with most of the work or Eng 59 with more area but less work [ mostly bedroom  but some very large buildings [ General  foods 1900 by 500 ] and so on . If it was 58's call he would stop talking and the Sta. 4 firefighter [ Eng 59 ]would get the rest of the info with 58 hitting the road mostly in 60 or so sec. I pulled up to many working fires to find Volunteer firefighters either already standing there or in the building looking for people or the fire . Engine 58 & 59 have 800 gallon tanks and preconnect  lines more scotts to handle the guys already on location .the firefighters would take the lines in and starting to attack the fire . As a rule we did not hit hydrants but had the tools to do so . The next in engine would supply 58 or 59 .That is what was taken away from the dept .