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Congratulations to Officer Hess, on receiving this prestigious award from his colleagues, well deserved, I might add.
Regarding the expected (over)reaction and orchestrated response from the Henry family, que sera sera.
Let me go way out on a limb, here, if I may... I often wonder...
if anything would have wound up any differently in regards to this entire incident, if the police officers involved with the shooting , were black? Or the alleged assailant, white?
I'm going to go out even further... I bet nobody involved in this is going to be having a cold beer with President Obama, anytime soon.

Mourning and slandering are different emotions. The Henry's are relying heavily on the latter, and less on the former.

First of all, his father doesn't appear to be politically powerful at all. Ever see him interviewed; he's barely articulate, let alone powerful. And second, your posts in general are baseless. You seem to imply it's not only possible, but even likely the Feds will pursue this case. What do you base this on? All of these incidents are reviewed by the Feds, only the most egregious are pursued, and by all standards, this case is far from egregious. Your bias is palpable, groundless, but palpable nonetheless.

First of all, his father doesn't appear to be politically powerful at all. Ever see him interviewed; he's barely articulate, let alone powerful. And second, your posts in general are baseless. You seem to imply it's not only possible, but even likely the Feds will pursue this case. What do you base this on? All of these incidents are reviewed by the Feds, only the most egregious are pursued, and by all standards, this case is far from egregious. Your bias is palpable, groundless, but palpable nonetheless.

Yes, but those two examples are very different from widespread investigation/prosecution of police. In the first example, you admit (and seem to consent) to profiling, and in the second, that was an opinion, a far stretch from any official policy or action of the DoJ. So to make a blanket statement that the DoJ is being overly aggressive against law enforcement seems unfounded (just my opinion).

First of all, his father doesn't appear to be politically powerful at all. Ever see him interviewed; he's barely articulate, let alone powerful. And second, your posts in general are baseless. You seem to imply it's not only possible, but even likely the Feds will pursue this case. What do you base this on? All of these incidents are reviewed by the Feds, only the most egregious are pursued, and by all standards, this case is far from egregious. Your bias is palpable, groundless, but palpable nonetheless.

As far as I am concerned, Aaron SAVED lives that night. What would have happened if DJ Henry drove off and killed one of the hundreds of kids that were running amok through the shopping center? Or an innocent person if he managed to get out on the road? The Henry Family is obviously not seeing the "what COULD have happened"! They could have easily been on the "other side of the fence" and being sued by a family who's loved one was run down by their drunk son - because as we all know, drunk drivers have been known to kill or mame.
I just hope that Aaron makes a full recovery - I, for one, have missed working with him!!!

" Take down the blue wall ? " Sometimes the blue wall is all we have because it seems that we have ZERO support from the communities we serve.
You ask what planet this forum is from ? The rest of us are from planet reality, how about you ?
dj henrys father is connected where ? Just because some hack civil rights leaders are leading himn around by the nose in no way makes him connected.
I applaud the PBA for giving this award to P.O. Hess.... he saved lives that night and is a hero.. END OF STORY
As far as the feds go, they are on a witch hunt in westchester county and will stop at nothing to hang a cop, even if it's under false pretenses... we all remember how the FBI agent that was investigating Det. Quinoy in Sleppy Hollow tampered with evidence to try to get a conviction.
But no matter what the feds say, it will not change the fact that PO Hess is the Pleasantville PBA's officer of the year !!!

Police Officer Aaron Hess is a hero and saved lives the night that Criminal Danroy Henry attempted to run over Police Officers and may have killed civilians in the process. Its very simple:
1) PO Hess = good guy.
2) Criminal Henry = bad guy.
Any questions?

While its a nice thought to invite others. If you don't have the manpower to handle this incident, mutual aid is not the answer. You need more personnel....hire, recruit or merge with others.

Dispatch the special operations trailer, pictured here:

Date: 3/29/11
Time: 07:20 hours
Location: 30 ave x 38 st
Frequency: FDNY Queens
Weather Conditions: cold
Description Of Incident: fire on the 1st floor extended to the basement, into the ductwork, into the walls, and up to the 2nd floor of a 3-story commercial
Reporters/Writer: ryang
Additional Info:
Astoria, Queens, NY, 3/29/11
Address: 37-20 30 Ave between 37 and 38 sts
07:20 hours
Phone Box 7472 - Report of a structural fire
Engs. 263, 312, 262
TL117, L116
Battalion 49

07:22 hours
Now receiving multiple calls
E260
Rescue 4
Squad 288

10-75-7472 - 07:23 hours
TL163 (FAST Truck)
Battalion 45
Division 14

10-70-7472 - 7:25 hours
E262 is the Water Resource Co
07:26 hours
10-70 canceled - positive water source located.
7-5-7472 - 07:30 hours
Battalion 49: Box 7472, using All-Hands. We have a 3-story 30x50 commercial building on the 1st floor. Special call an additional engine.
E325 S/C
RAC4
Exposures are:
1 - street
2 - 1 story commercial
3 - unknown
4 - street
07:32 hours
Buildings Dept. has a violation issued for the building - the 1st floor bearing wall has been removed.
07:32 hours
L154 S/C
07:34 hours - Duration 15 minutes
BC49: Box 7472, we have fire in the basement and on the 1st floor and into the ductwork.
07:36 hours
Division 14 requests Buildings Dept. to respond
2-2-7472 - 07:39 hours
DC14: 7472, transmit a 2nd alarm, also we need an extra battalion chief.
Engs. 307, 292, 259
E291 w/ Satellite 4
L128
Safety, Rescue Battalions
Battalion 46 (Safety Officer)
Battalion 12 (Resource Unit Leader)
Battalion 14 S/C
Tactical Support 1
FieldCom 1, Command Tactical Unit 2
Car 9 (DAC John Sudnik, Queens Borough Commander)

07:41 hours
E324 available replacing E291

07:41 hours - Duration 22 minutes
DC14: We have 3 lines stretched and fire moving up the walls.
07:44 hours - Duration 25 minutes
DC14: Primaries on the first floor and basement are negative.
07:51 hours - Duration 31 minutes
DC14: Special call an additional truck. Also we have 4 lines stretched, 3 in operation, standpipe is charged, and right now there's no structural issues.
TL115 S/C
07:59 hours - Duration 40 minutes
DC14: Primaries on all floors are negative.
08:02 hours - Duration 43 minutes
DC14: Also at the second alarm, the sprinkler system is being supplied.
3-3-7472 - 08:12 hours
DC14: 7472, we still have fire in the basement and in the walls, transmit a 3rd Alarm.
Engs. 316, 287, 303 acting 289, 291
L136, TL138
Battalion 35 (Staging Manager)
Battalion 33 (Air-Recon Chief)
Mask Service Unit
08:12 hours
The staging area is Steinway St and 30 Ave
08:20 hours
Car 23 (Executive Officer of Public Information) is responding
08:27 hours
Car 1D (Commissioner's Liaison) and Car 12A (Safety and Inspectional Services, Executive Assistant) are responding
08:28 hours
Receiving calls from the bank at 37-16 30 Ave reporting smoke.
08:29 hours - Duration 1 hour 10 minutes
FieldCom: Progress report for your 3rd alarm, the Box 7472, the address 37-20 30 Ave, fire in a 3 story brick 30x50, Car 9, DAC Sudnik reports: Heavy fire in the walls with extension up the 2nd floor at this time, still Doubtful.
08:33 hours
Battalion 35: Have PD respond to Steinway and 30th for traffic control.
08:33 hours - Duration 1 hour 14 minutes
FC: Be advised at this time Car 9 is moving to an exterior attack. L138 is the new FAST Truck, and L163 has been put to work.
08:50 hours
Car 13B (DAC Joseph Woznica, DAC of Fire Prevention) and Car 11D (BC Robert Ingram, Chief of WMD Preparedness) are 10-84
08:56 hours
Car 36A (Department Chaplain) is responding

09:05 hours
Air Recon - Battalion 33 reports a 5 minute ETA
09:10 hours - Duration 1 hour 51 minutes
FC: Progress report for your 3rd Alarm Box 7472, the address 37-20 30 Ave, fire in a 3 story 20x50, Car 9 reports we are in an exterior operation. We have 2 tower ladders operating, a 3rd tower ladder being set up, we have a handline into exposure 4. Secondary searches will be delayed due to fire conditions, still Doubtful. Also have the Air-Recon Battalion continue in.
09:13 hours
Now receiving a valve alarm for 37-16 30 Ave.
09:17 hours
Air Recon - Battalion 33 is 10-84 and having difficulties raising the FieldCom, requesting to know what channel companies are operating on.
FC: We are operating on the Command Channel, if that doesn't work we can switch to channel 5.
09:18 hours
Air Recon - Battalion 33 requests that FieldCom relay their live feed to FDOC.
09:29 hours
Air Recon - Battalion 33 is going 10-8 back to Brooklyn
4-4-7472 - 09:52 hours
FC: By orders of Car 9, transmit a 4th Alarm. Have all units report to the Command Post, not to staging.
Engs. 238, 319, 229, 206
E258 acting 262 w/ IMT Unit
L126 acting 154, TL14
Battalion 26 (Planning Sections Chief)
Battalion 35*
*Battalion 35 had just taken up and was re-assigned.
09:53 hours - Duration 2 hours 34 minutes
FC: Progress report for your 4th Alarm Box 7472, the address 37-20 30 Ave, fire in a 3 story 30x50 commercial, Car 9 reports 2 tower ladders still operation, 3rd tower ladder is set up, 2 handlines being operated from exposure 4, primary in exposure 4 is complete and negative, fire still Doubtful.
09:55 hours
FC: Have the companies leave their rigs at the staging area and have the members respond into the Command Post
10:04 hours
Car 4 (Chief of Fire Operations Robert Sweeney) is responding
10:17 hours - Duration 2 hours 58 minutes
FC: Progress report for your 4th Alarm Box 7472, the address 37-20 30 Ave, fire in a 3 story 30x50, Car 9 reports: we have 3 tower ladders in operation, 3 handlines stretch as a precautionary into exposure 4, and the fire is Doubtful.
10:32 hours - Duration 3 hours 13 minutes
FC: Progress report for your 4th Alarm Box 7472, the address 37-20 30 Ave, fire in a 3 story brick commercial 30x50. Chief of Operations Sweeney reports: 2 tower ladders are in operation, in the process of being shut down. We will be resuming an interior attack. Fire is Probably Will Hold.
10:40 hours
FC: Box 7472, can you have the Rescue Battalion return to the scene.
11:17 hours
FC: At Box 7472, Battalion 35 has replaced Battalion 12 as the Resource Unit Leader, and Battalion 12 is returning back to Manhattan.
11:30 hours - Duration 4 hours 11 minutes
FC: Final progress report for your 4th Alarm Box 7472, the address 37-20 30 Ave, Car 4, Chief of Operations Sweeney reports: this is a 3 brick 30x50 commercial on the 1st floor with dwellings above, fire located throughout. Car 4 reports: hitting small pockets of fire with a tower ladder. Performing exterior overhaul due to too much water on the upper floors. All members have been removed from the building. Overhaul continues, fire Under Control.
Relocations:
Engines: 217/259, 289/260, 258/262, 59/263, 286/287, 303/289, 83/289, 237/291, 285/292, 297/312, 249/319, 315/325
Ladders: 152/115, 17/117, 101/128, 173/136, 162/138, 126/154, 144/163

This is a fine topic, that as far as I have read has not yet been answered. There are separate issues. What does the thoughtful provider do to provide the most help to the most people? And...all else being equal, does the call at hand take precedence over the call pending? It's not being chicken to want to know that.
Months ago, I was sent out of district for a PIAA for which dispatch had no additional information. Enroute, but also in that district, I came on a motorcycle into a guide rail, the rider unconscious. No fire, police, ems on scene. Dispatch couldn't tell me if they even knew about the motorcycle yet, they knew nothing about the call to which I was assigned, and when I asked if I should remain on scene or continue to the other PIAA the response was 'I can't tell you that, It's your decision.' [i stayed with the motorcycle on the grounds that whatever the other call was, it was going to be hard to top what I was looking at.]
That said, when, as a single provider, one does not know what units are assigned to either call or the severity, how does one make a good decision? Law should be clear at least on the starting point. Is the duty to act for the assigned call, or is the duty to act for the presenting call? We will hopefully all make the best decisions we can case by case, but we also ought to have a clearer basis from which to make that decision.

Date: 03-26-11
Time:
Location: I-290
Frequency: Multiple
Units Operating: NYSP, ECSO, TTPD, TFD/EMS
Weather Conditions:
Description Of Incident: NYSP Trooper strucked and killed by a passing automobile while on a traffic stop.
http://www.wkbw.com/home/Accident-On-I-290--118703864.html

I have just realized what is wrong with the discussions on this board. It's not that everyone doesn't agree on the solutions to our problems, rather, it appears we're not even all reading the same posts!

With all due respect, I think you have a grave misunderstanding about the role of an agency officer and the responsibilities of an agency member. It also seems that you view "professional courtesy" as an entitlement. Let me address your comments one at a time...
First off how do you know the police agencies and/or officers involved in this situation haven't gone to the offending agency in the past? Perhaps this is a pattern of behavior that needs to be resolved officially in the courts.
The defendant in this case committed 21 violations (or perhaps more) and received 21 summonses. The number of violations is what should be viewed as excessive, not the number of charges filed against him. These summonses were issued in lieu of a custodial arrest so the officers did exercise discretion.
Agency administrators, be they Chief, Captain, Commissioner, or whatever, are not parents and their members are not children (at least chronologically). There is definitely a time and a place for bringing a wayward child home to mommy or daddy but this is the case of an adult being held responsible for his actions. There's simply no reason for law enforcement to take an offender to his employer to resolve criminal acts (and reckless driving is a crime). That's like saying the State Police should take their findings in the fatal I-95 bus crash to the bus company for resolution. Where's the logic in that?
I understand where you're coming from about dealing with an agency directly and sometimes that is the right thing to do. I once stopped a vehicle operating at an excessive speed with a blue light and learned that there was no fire, the driver was late for work. He got his speeding ticket and his chief (three towns over) got a phone call about the blue light. Had the guy been running people off the road the chief would have read about the arrest in the newspaper.
It doesn't matter if it is a chief or member or civilian driving recklessly. They should be and are held responsible for their own actions. This case is noteworthy because it occurred while the offender was exercising the privilege of using red lights and siren. As the driver of any vehicle you're held responsible for the operation of that vehicle.
It isn't the lights and siren that make the risk greater; it is the driver's tendency to go faster and take more chances while using them. Psychologically it may be a false sense of security or it may be just plain adrenaline. And, highlighting points from other threads, there is a lack of supervision in many volunteer agencies that exacerbates this problem.
Finally, to receive professional courtesy one must be professional and courteous. This driver was neither. To expect preferential treatment or even infer that it is deserved in a case like this is why we hear stories of people getting tickets despite their membership in a fire or EMS agency. People get courtesy when they deserve it, not when they demand it.

See how gray this topic is? Even the attorney specializing in this type of law says "I would think". Not black and white, despite the posters here indicating it is. And remember, citing laws and case law from other states is somewhat useless if you are working here in New York. The intricacies of civil (and criminal) law vary greatly from state to state. That even holds true in Federal Court. Caselaw varies greatly between Circuits. So a federal negligence claims in the 9th Circuit (West Coast) may need to meet different standards then say in the 2nd Circuit (NY, Conn., Vt.).

I recently finished my EMT-B class, and, once I got out into the field and started dealing with real-life situations, I was very surprised about how unprepared I felt. My instructor for the classroom/lecture portion of the class was very knowledgeable and prepared us well to pass the state written exam. (As with anything else, I'm sure the quality varies quite a bit between instructors.) On the other hand, the quality of some of the lab instruction—as well as the amount of time alloted for lab instruction—left a lot to be desired. And it seems like those practical skills learned and practiced in lab—built upon a foundation of knowledge about anatomy and physiology from the classroom portion of the class—are the mark of good BLS.
From my very limited experience in the field, it seems like adding a greater emphasis on practical skills training might help produce EMT's that provide the higher-quality BLS that the original poster asked about. This poses the problem, though, of creating EMT-B classes that are prohibitively long; I wonder if adding additional hours to the class to accommodate expanded practical skills training might dissuade a lot of people from taking the class altogether. If the length of the EMT-B class was kept the same but time was shifted toward practical skills and away from classroom instruction, I wonder if that might create EMT's who are good with BLS skills but are not sufficiently knowledgeable about the anatomy and physiology behind what they're doing. I guess it's a problem of finding the right balance between lab and classroom instruction.
Although adding more emphasis on practical skills training might help with improving the quality of EMTs' BLS skills, I was surprised about how little effort a few people in my EMT-B class put forth. You could tell they weren't reading the textbook or practicing the skills on their own. I'm not sure if those people passed the state written and practical exams or not. Although those exams might do a little to help keep people with poor BLS skills from becoming EMT's, I'm sure quite a few people eek by and get their EMT-B certification (they weren't that difficult). I agree with what PFDRes47cue said about "instructors pushing kids through the classes." It might help the quality of BLS that is provided by EMT's if the bar was set a bit higher.
(This is my first post... please be nice!)

Sorry, but I have no idea what you said. You should run for Congress.
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Generally speaking...
I'll say this about the issue of laws and the Constitution being thrown around in general and this forum specifically. It is very easy to misinterpret the applicaiton of laws and the bill of rights without formal training and experience working with them and within the criminal justice system. This is why we have lawyers, courts, appeals courts, federal courts, federal appeals courts and the Supreme Court. If it were so clear, there wouldn't be a
Talking about laws and purported statements of fact concerning what is and isn't legal does suggest a greater knowledge of the subject than is often manifested in posts here.
There should have been an application to have the suspect's passport surrendered to the court given that she was the subject of a major investigation. This happens often and would haven't be an infringement on anyone's rights. Had she refused, she could have been surveilled, arrested, or otherwise monitored to avoid this extradition nightmare. Her very cooperatirve attorney evidently wasn't quite so cooperative or honorable. Shocking.

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Posts such as this one lead me to believe we should be paying teachers even more !

Exactly. That's the argument no one wants to make when it inconveniently fails to support their point.

Posts such as this one lead me to believe we should be paying teachers even more !

Posts such as this one lead me to believe we should be paying teachers even more !

Posts such as this one lead me to believe we should be paying teachers even more !