Ex-2114

Actually, Christmas Tree Shop is in the old movie theater... Bed Bath and Beyond is where Crazy Eddie used to be.

Those that are being elected into office are the ones to find a way to enforce a no texting law. Perhaps look at Connecticut's law. Cops using personal phones for business.... I know it happens... but I also know that when you see 10 police cars in an hour with each PO on the phone while driving -- prove to me that it's all business all the time. As for being a Volunteer Fire Captain - I (am a guy by the way) am entitled to my opinion, as are you. But my opinion, and the opinions of others, need not be attacked with sarcasm and arrogance (yes, arrogance). As an FD Chief often says, QTIP. If it's not safe for a civilian to talk on the phone or text while driving... what makes a cop any better??? As you know, police cars have radios (not AM/FM), laptops, sirens, light controls, etc.... These are more of a distraction than a cell phone is. Now try talking on the phone while listening to the radio ensuring that you don't miss a call and watching the computer for messages that pop up on the screen so as to avoid the use of the radio.... is the cell phone just something else to distract an already distracted driver?? All of the EVOC classes you take will not make you able to do everything at once - in fact when I took EVOC, the main point was to pay attention to the road and vehicles around you. I think we're done beating this one to death. A simple question turned into this -- I just don't get it.

It was built to be an ice skating rink.... then transitioned into Lloyd's Lumber... then into Tops Appliance City, then into the current Bloomingdale's Furniture Outlet. It sat vacant for many years after Tops closed... Tops was like Crazy Eddie's but without those insane commercials.

Sarcasm and arrogance are completely and utterly unjustified. A question was posed, responses were posted, and here you are with the small-minded 'you're attacking my thoughts' position. Everyone has their OWN opinions - it's a fact and way of life. GET OVER IT. So.... cops talk on their phones while driving.... You are correct -- I/we have no idea what the conversation is about. BUT... how many departments (NY State Police and Dutchess County Sheriff for example) provide cell phones to each and every cop?? If they do, then I would say that is why my taxes are so darn high. I find it hard to believe that a PO will be more than willing to waste his personally paid for minutes on a 10-1 or 10-3 (or 10-5 for that matter). Also, if cell phones are the new means of communications to the dispatchers, why are they still putting $1500 radios in each car and providing $1000 portables??? There is a time and a place for the 'important' work related call for official business, but... well... prove it. Next. Where, oh where did you get the "dictated by firefighters and vollie......."??? WTF??? Though it is your opinion, get over the paid/vol thing. As for a synaptic link.... grow up. But again, everyone is entitled to their opinion.

Yes, it should be.... but then again, what difference would it make?!?!?! Nobody follows the cell phone laws anyway. Heck - besides people follow the example -- I always see cops driving their marked vehicles while talking on the phone... So... why bother.

He did it all off-duty..... Sorry I didn't put that in my initial post....

It actually wasn't a unit.... it was a cop who had his own business... He would drive around picking up the carts with his van and then return them to the stores for a per-cart fee... Don't remember his name though.

I am posting this ONLY as a question... I am not making comments (good or bad), chastizing the operations, or anything else.... it's just a question. I think it was an excellent save -- if the bell's hanger broke, a lot more could have happened including FF injuries or worse. All of my ladder training (and the training I gave based on it) was to never, under any circumstances, use existing ladders or scaffolding at a fire scene. The geneeral rule was only use what you brought with you - you can guarantee your equipment's stability but not theirs. Why was so much trust placed on the scaffolding, stairs, and bridge plank at the bell tower??? I can see that access to the fire was awkward, but was it bad enough not to be able to use a stick or platform??? Again - I am NOT Monday-Morning-Quarterbacking here.... I am asking only for my own knowledge (and anyone else who thought the same thing but was afraid to ask).

Thanks Chief.... That's kind of what I was thinking, but wanted to ensure that I was on the right path. Jeff.

Car 12 comes to mind..... Then again -- maybe not.

Up to when I moved from Elmsford, that was the standing order. If you were going up the stick (L55), you wore a belt and locked in if you were operating the nozzle. If you were going to the platform (TL21), you wore a belt. There are large eyehooks on TL21 to tether into - so long as your belt had extensions, you were good to go. Not sure how things are now though -- I'm sure it's the same.

I just got out of the traffic about 20 minutes ago.... Looks like a vehicle nailed a utility pole between Hess and Double-O -- it was leaning pretty precariously and there were a few Central Hudson trucks there. The traffic was insane to say the least.

I was at the Doctor in Hartsdale... He walked in about 2 minutes after the 1st plane hit and we dismissed it as a small incident, etc.... I left about 10 minutes later and was on my way to work in White Plains listening to it all on the radio.... Once at work, we had no TVs and everyone crammed into my office to watch the stream online from bloomberg.com -- it was the only feed we could get via the Internet at the time. At about 10:30, they closed the office, etc.....

Why not take the position of understanding that there will be a fully trained and very competant crew on the truck at all times. Let's just get past the needling of staff levels because some of you think that this is a Volunteer organization that is in the middle of nowhere with only one or two people coming out of the corn fields to answer a call for help. Must everything have a negative connotation to Volunteering??? Get over it. The Assistant Chief asked a question about what is needed..... The truck is the first item. The trained and capable crew is the second item. Let's move forward by answering items 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, etc.........

Which is why I said "I don't know" and then asked for anyone with access to the FDNY SOP/SOG docs to post their procedures/guidelines. As for the photo being a "moment in time".... that is what we have to work with here. Possibly he was just guiding the saw to its proper location..... maybe the blade exploded the second after the photo was taken and he was slightly injured.... nobody knows. All we can do is hope that nothing bad happened. Now... about the "some 17 year old kid should know better than to post a critical remark in a public forum about an an exprienced......" statement. The purpose of these forums is to critique and to learn from the critique. His remark is in no way different that someone (possibly yourself) making a comment about how bad or dumb the President of the US may be for a comment or decision that he made -- I'm certain that he is an experienced and respected member of the world powers. That is respect and knowing your place. Chief -- I don't know you, but I respect you as a Chief.... you have worked for many years in the fire service and are likely a font of valuable knowledge. I'm sure that in your early years, you made comments or did things that you may or may not have regretted based on your "moment in time" knowledge. Jeff.

Chief- With all due respect, I think that you are out of line. Future Fireman (Mike) is speaking based on his training. What we have all be told to do at some point in our fire fighting careers. Many of us remember our training and try to follow it to a T whilst others, because of their frequency of performing a task, become over comfortable and very complacent. If training says that you are supposed to be fully outfitted in PPE, and department policy and procedure states that you are to be fully outfitted in PPE, then who has an attitude issue when they choose not to follow policy and procedure?? Regarding the photo -- the man is a well respected fire fighter and trainer. I'm sure that FDNY SOP/SOG states that when operating any cutoff saw, you are required to be in full PPE. Perhaps it even says that a handline be stretched and the operator be wearing SCBA. I don't know. Maybe someone with access to the FDNY SOP/SOG information can look this up and post it.

I fully agree that PPE is required for firefighters to operate or train with any equipment that has a direct potential to cause harm. Rather than beat a dead horse, why not ask the question that would put this debate/argument to bed: What are OSHA/NFPA/PESH rules and regulations for the operation of a gasolene powered cutoff saw by firefighters in both a training environment as well as in a fire/rescue environment??? It is my understanding that cut-resistant gloves, goggles, face shields, and hearing protection are the only requirement, but I am now wondering what the official rules are for the fire service.

ummm..... the guy behind the dude in the red shirt with his unprotected hand/arm/body on the blade guard doesn't have his chinstrap secured?????

Was only going by what I was last told.... Thanks for clearing it up there Mike.

TL21 and L55 live here.... It's gonna be for a utility/pick-up.....

Great shots!!!! I do have a question though: do they not issue GLOVES as part of the PPE down there??? Not a single person, including those that were activly making forcible entry at the front doo, were wearing any.

For a department with 3 chiefs..... and only 1 car for the Chief (not the assistants).... what happens when the assitant chief is the only Chief on the scene of an MVA (highway for example).... Should he/she use his POV to block traffic???? I say no. Also... a LOT of departments, both PD and FD, have resorted to leasing their vehicles now... It's cheaper and they are custom outfitted per the dept's requirements. The lease is normally 3 years. This way, the department doesn't have to worry about repairing high-use vehicles..... From the financial aspect, it works out to be cheaper for the dept.

First - Request a full structure assignment and 2nd alarm assignment, along with a duty tow truck (if none of the apparatus on the initial assignment has a winch) Second - request the power cut. Third - Protect the exposures with dual lines (or old fashioned water curtains), begin evacuation Fourth - Use the tow truck (or winch) and pull the dumpster away from the hazards, etc.... Even if it means to flip the dumpster on its side. This step will require 2 FFs to go in for the hookup. Fifth - Use foam to quickly extinguish the fire. The structure and 2nd alarm assignment will be used to aid in the evacuation as well as provide 'stand-by' crews in the event that there was extension. They should also be actively used during supression to ensure that there is no impingement. Just my $.02

Most can outrun a Crown Vic.... but nobody can outrun a Motorola. What a putz!!!!!!

And between 4:45 and 6:00PM Monday through Friday, it's a PARKING LOT!!!!