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At PEMO3, yes New Jersey does. They have the Kidde Neptune Pumping system. There are three (3) complete units situated in the state. There is one in Union County, one in Gloucester County & the last is in Morris County. System consist of three basic units. The first in the roll off mounted Kidde pump capable of 5000 - 8000 GPM. The next is the 12-inch hose on hydraulic reels mount on flatbed trucks. The last is the Iron Man monitor capable of 5000 GPM discharge. The Union County system was in use a Seaside with the Morris County system on location standing by incase it was needed.

It is an E-One. Their logo is just below the Federal Q!!

Texastom791 - One of the biggest services the NJSP Aviation provides is as a Medivac Chopper. There are two in the state. Northstar is situated in Newark while Southstar is in the Camden area.

Company is starting to look for a new supply engine. With the different manufacturers out there, would like to hear your comments on recently purchases engines. Please be honest and comment on pros & cons about the manufacturers (Workmanship, quality, reliability, etc). Please not any problems you have had with your engine. This will help the truck committee look in the right direction.

Thanks Conman for your comments.

TL2L31 -- Thanks very much for your comments.

Thank you and everyone else for their comments.

Looks who talking, a green horn. 1) Your wrong. I asked correctly. 2) Was not looking for recommendations. Looking for feedback from companies who recently purchased apparatus. 3) Again your completely wrong. 4) Not looking for options, again looking for feedback. 5) I don't appreciate your tone from a rookie. Yes I asked for help and everyone goes off the train tracks in different directions.

Bnechis -- Thank your very much for your input. Our committee will take your comments under consideration. We appreciate your help.

mfc 2257 -- I really do not think you need any additional information. Seems to be your on a witch hunt and making a mountain out of a mole hill. All of your questions have no relevance to my original question. Like most of the posts everyone goes off in every direction except for answering the original question. Everything you are asking has already been put on the table by me. All we are trying to find out is your opinion on the various manufacturers out there (Pro's & con's/Good or bad aspects about the manufacturers and any major problems you have had). Any sound help would be greatly appreciated.

Based on our prior history of apparatus, would keep it for at least 20 years or so. Would be replaced this engine when it will be DOA of needs major repairs.

Brothers, let me this very simple for you. New engine will be a Class A pumper, 1500 -2000 GPM pump, 500 - 750 Gallon Water Tank, to carry at least 1500-FT of LDH (5"). Primary purpose of this engine will be establishing primary or secondary water supply (Will always supply the tower ladder when in operation). 95% of the time water supplied via hydrants. Might on a rare occasion pump from a lake. The manufacturers (American LaFrance, Crimson, Smeal, Stuphen, Pierce, KME, etc). What are your experiences with these engines (Pro's & con's) as to reliability, workmanship, major problems, etc. with the equipment. Salesmen will tell you anything, but would like to hear what the guys in the trenches think about the equipment. Thanking you for your input.

How old is the gear? NFPA Standards state any gear more than 10 years old must be destroyed!!

My company just received from the department the supply engine (Mid 90's pumper). Was originally set up as the LDH engine. 1500 GPM pump with 5-Inch discharge on the right side + rear. Also have front + rear suction. My question is how much 5-Inch hose do you carry on your supply engines & how much would be an adequate amount??

Nothing really out of the normal other than it appears that American LaFrance is rising out of the ashes of dead. Nice showing of several rigs. Good showing of rigs by all the other major apparatus manufacturers.

NWFDMedic: In theory you cost analysis makes good sense, however, in the real world there is no difference in the life span between the $680000 rig vs $450000 rig. It boils down to many volunteer fire companies when they purchase a new rig outfit the engine/ladder/rescue or whatever piece they are purchasing with a lot of extra, high dollar'd un-necessary bells, whistles, etc. Lets face it, an engine should be designed to carry firefighters, hose and equipment to the fire scene. By adding unnecessary extended jump seat areas, hydraulic generators, digital flow meters, wrap around foam systems, light towers, scene lighting (do I need to go on) only adds to the price of rig. Keep it simple and you will keep the cost of the rigs down. Departments should order and receive what they need to do their jobs and not a wish list, at the tax payers expense, of what they want.

Come on Guys. Let get real. Sounds like Riverside Hose company was not the one getting HOSED!! Sounds like they were trying to HOSE the city. $620,000 for an ENGINE. This is what's wrong with the volunteer fire service. Why do you need apparatus with all the bells and whistles on it?? All this does is drive the cost of the apparatus up. Does it make it more usefull, better?? NO!! For $620,000 you could but two Class A engines into service in any city. Folks need to start purchasing what's useful and practical for the city. I think in the times were are in, the city did a smart move and put the fire company in their place. And yes, I agree with several of the writers, that although the Crimson name only is relatively new, it is not a new piece of apparatus. This was a merger of two outstanding fire apparatus manufacturers. So, Riverside Hose your squirting the wrong hose.

Nice to see a department got smart and ordered something other that a Smeal.

Izzy - We have three Smeal pumpers in out city. My company had one but the city chiefs pulled it out of our station and replaced it with an older Mack. Thank the good lord, can't kill a Mack. The three pumpers are unreliable, out of service most of the time and have many problems. The pumps leak, they will not pump to capacity. In addition, there are probably an additional 8 or so Smeal pumpers in our county. None of the fire companies who operate them have anything good to say out Smeal. The quality of their product is not there and they are not reliable.

New Logo. Nice design, however, same old piece of SH_T !! Cannot change the quality, reliability, etc of your product just by changing the logo.

Need some help on this one guys. We received a Motorola MT 1500 (Model 1) for use on our engine. Have no operating manuals for this radio. Can only find Model 1.5 operating manual online. Any help in obtaining this manual would be greatly appreciated. In addition, the radio appears to be locked in a scan mode. Any help in disabling this would also be greatly appreciated. Thanking everyone in advance for your help.

Adam, Thanks very much for the operating manual. Answer to your question, YES, it is already programed !!

Very nice looking rig. Nice layout & use of compartment space. I agree, storage of 5" hose looks like it will be a problem. Good Luck White Plains. You will need it. Smeal is a piece of crap. Expect many problems & leaks with the rig.

Favorite: Without a doubt, MACK (All those built in Allentown, PA followed very closely by Ward 79) Least: SMEAL - Piece of trash. Out of service more than it is in service. Three (3) engines in the city & non of them can pump capacity.

Bnechis - I have to agree with you at least this one time. The committee did there homework in designing this rig. Yes by looking at the photo's you have utilized the compartment space to its maximum by properly placing equipment & shelving. However, as I said in my previous post, this is not the norm. Usually departments waste compartment space on a walk around box. The middle of the box, where the walk thru compartment would be, is usually empty or has very minimal equipment or supplies in this area. Job well done guys. Excellent design & use of compartment space.