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I was with you right until the dig on unions. The system you mentioned has substantial upfront costs. Figure the free market would find the cheapest and most cost efficient way of garbage hauling, right? Then why do all of the commercial haulers still do it this way? While some municipalities sacrifice speed in exchange for forbidding employees from riding on the back, I don't see any commercial haulers that ban the practice.

Maybe before you guess, you should learn more about a situation, because when you ASSume....we all know what happens.
Our DPW looked into this system and had a demo unit for about 3 months. The concept was rejected by the city council when it was determined that 1) the manufacture of the system strongly recommended to only use it on streets without parking (this eliminates about 80% of our city). 2) Assuming that we did not have curbside parking, the city would have to replace approximatly 14 trucks and provide about 30,000 special garbage cans. 3) one of the manufacturers recommended that it not be used in communities with overhead wires ( I know others its not an issue).
Its a great concept, but it looks like it needs to be done in "new" communities, maybe this is why you rarely see it in older cities.

I was with you right until the dig on unions. The system you mentioned has substantial upfront costs. Figure the free market would find the cheapest and most cost efficient way of garbage hauling, right? Then why do all of the commercial haulers still do it this way? While some municipalities sacrifice speed in exchange for forbidding employees from riding on the back, I don't see any commercial haulers that ban the practice.

I was with you right until the dig on unions. The system you mentioned has substantial upfront costs. Figure the free market would find the cheapest and most cost efficient way of garbage hauling, right? Then why do all of the commercial haulers still do it this way? While some municipalities sacrifice speed in exchange for forbidding employees from riding on the back, I don't see any commercial haulers that ban the practice.

I was with you right until the dig on unions. The system you mentioned has substantial upfront costs. Figure the free market would find the cheapest and most cost efficient way of garbage hauling, right? Then why do all of the commercial haulers still do it this way? While some municipalities sacrifice speed in exchange for forbidding employees from riding on the back, I don't see any commercial haulers that ban the practice.

So some people think PO's should get a free ride, some think FD &/or EMS should. Their are pro's & cons to each. Now here is the irony; When MTA gives free rides, they are loosing money and yes they may be gaining safety/security. Now because MTA can not manage to balance its books, we have the MTA payroll tax. That means that on the New Haven Line in Westchester the Mt. Vernon PD & FD, Pelham PD & FD, Pelham Manor PD & FD, New Rochelle PD & FD, Larchmont PD & FD, Town of Mamaroneck PD & FD, Village of Mamaroneck PD, Harrison PD & FD, Rye PD & FD and Porchester PD all pay Metro North and provide the primary safety & security.
Now add all the other police and fire (career/combo) depts. in the counties covered by MTA are also paying them.
Now in the City of New Rochelle's case we are paying about $250,000/year to MTA. For that money we get to respond to all there EMS calls, the jambed elevators (over 100/year), the brush fires, etc. Our police are asked to cover till MTA PD can respond (no knock on MTA PD, they have a huge area to cover) and our DPW gets to plow the railroad access.
Most of MTA's safety and security is provided by the local PD, FD & EMS and we get to pay them for the honor.

You hit the difference right there. Neither has their equipment. Who do you think is closer to their comfort zone? I get it a couple times a month where a doctor will try and step in and help on calls. For simplicity sake I try to just go along with it as long as they're not insisting on something I was not doing or about to do already. It rarely works out. They want tests I can't perform, history I can't obtain, or tools I don't have. It is doctors that I have pushing IV epi boluses in living patients. Doctors sticking things in seizing patients mouths. Even had a doctor looking for a knife so he could trach a diabetic he was convinced was choking. In the subway or on a bus, give me CFR/EMT/Medic any day over a doctor.

The uniform requirement in NYC was under the assumption that cops and firefighters generally only wear their uniforms on duty. Exceptions are infrequent enough as to be insignificant. As grumpy pointed out while they are technically riding for free they are expected to act in the event of an emergency. While these are rare, they are frequent enough that the vast majority of employed cops, firefighters, and ems happily pair their way so as to remain anonymous.
The LIRR shooting was a really big deal. This was not some random spraying of bullets into a crowded train. He walked through the train calmly shooting each passenger as they sat or hid in their seat. He was armed with more than 100 rounds of ammunition and was not stopped until 3 citizens jumped him while he attempted to load his third clip. The public was understandably upset and politicians wanted to get more cops riding the trains. There were proposals put forward to make any cop legally allowed to ride mass transit for free. What is the value of a human life? Not the emotional value, but real world civil court value of a life. One cop on that train and how many lives are saved? I don't agree with randomly handing out free rides to anyone. However if an officer wants to carry and be willing to act, welcome aboard. Its a much cheaper alternative to hiring a cop to ride the train.
How is a discount any different than a free pass? What's a fair break, 10%, 20%, or 99%?
How many joy rides do you think cruisers, fire trucks or ambulances take across the bridges and tunnels? Generally speaking we are making these crossings because we have to. We do not charge the MTA or TBTA for services rendered on their property so why would they charge us for using their crossings? At the start of the budget crunch there was an attempt by the TBTA to start billing emergency vehicles until this very point was made to them. The FD would happily develop a rate structure for responses on their property. Its bad enough that not having an EZPass or using a cash only lane causes actual delays in response while they attempt to record your vehicle number, license plate, and driver ID. Everything has a cost, just because you're not seeing it at the toll booth or turnstile doesn't mean it is not being recouped in another way.
No, but they do frequently receive discounts to all those places and more. How often are doctors, nurses, or lawyers experienced in handling whatever situation they may encounter outside the warm confines of their office? The fact of the matter is emergency service workers are experienced in handling not just the situation but the crowds and uncontrolled environment they find themselves in. Businesses give us discounts for both the goodwill it generates and to attract people that can and will help in an emergency.
The engineer was paid to design the train. Until an engineer voluntarily walks into the MTA's Brooklyn headquarters and hands over a useful design or schematic without outside compensation that's not a valid point. The MTA expects members riding for free to step up and help in an emergency.
For all the calls I handle in public places in Manhattan it is incredibly rare for a bystander not connected to emergency services to stop and help. Nurses are the only exception to this. Everyone else, whether they're suits or laborers all have a volunteer gig or previous career in emergency services.

The uniform requirement in NYC was under the assumption that cops and firefighters generally only wear their uniforms on duty. Exceptions are infrequent enough as to be insignificant. As grumpy pointed out while they are technically riding for free they are expected to act in the event of an emergency. While these are rare, they are frequent enough that the vast majority of employed cops, firefighters, and ems happily pair their way so as to remain anonymous.
The LIRR shooting was a really big deal. This was not some random spraying of bullets into a crowded train. He walked through the train calmly shooting each passenger as they sat or hid in their seat. He was armed with more than 100 rounds of ammunition and was not stopped until 3 citizens jumped him while he attempted to load his third clip. The public was understandably upset and politicians wanted to get more cops riding the trains. There were proposals put forward to make any cop legally allowed to ride mass transit for free. What is the value of a human life? Not the emotional value, but real world civil court value of a life. One cop on that train and how many lives are saved? I don't agree with randomly handing out free rides to anyone. However if an officer wants to carry and be willing to act, welcome aboard. Its a much cheaper alternative to hiring a cop to ride the train.
How is a discount any different than a free pass? What's a fair break, 10%, 20%, or 99%?
How many joy rides do you think cruisers, fire trucks or ambulances take across the bridges and tunnels? Generally speaking we are making these crossings because we have to. We do not charge the MTA or TBTA for services rendered on their property so why would they charge us for using their crossings? At the start of the budget crunch there was an attempt by the TBTA to start billing emergency vehicles until this very point was made to them. The FD would happily develop a rate structure for responses on their property. Its bad enough that not having an EZPass or using a cash only lane causes actual delays in response while they attempt to record your vehicle number, license plate, and driver ID. Everything has a cost, just because you're not seeing it at the toll booth or turnstile doesn't mean it is not being recouped in another way.
No, but they do frequently receive discounts to all those places and more. How often are doctors, nurses, or lawyers experienced in handling whatever situation they may encounter outside the warm confines of their office? The fact of the matter is emergency service workers are experienced in handling not just the situation but the crowds and uncontrolled environment they find themselves in. Businesses give us discounts for both the goodwill it generates and to attract people that can and will help in an emergency.
The engineer was paid to design the train. Until an engineer voluntarily walks into the MTA's Brooklyn headquarters and hands over a useful design or schematic without outside compensation that's not a valid point. The MTA expects members riding for free to step up and help in an emergency.
For all the calls I handle in public places in Manhattan it is incredibly rare for a bystander not connected to emergency services to stop and help. Nurses are the only exception to this. Everyone else, whether they're suits or laborers all have a volunteer gig or previous career in emergency services.

The uniform requirement in NYC was under the assumption that cops and firefighters generally only wear their uniforms on duty. Exceptions are infrequent enough as to be insignificant. As grumpy pointed out while they are technically riding for free they are expected to act in the event of an emergency. While these are rare, they are frequent enough that the vast majority of employed cops, firefighters, and ems happily pair their way so as to remain anonymous.
The LIRR shooting was a really big deal. This was not some random spraying of bullets into a crowded train. He walked through the train calmly shooting each passenger as they sat or hid in their seat. He was armed with more than 100 rounds of ammunition and was not stopped until 3 citizens jumped him while he attempted to load his third clip. The public was understandably upset and politicians wanted to get more cops riding the trains. There were proposals put forward to make any cop legally allowed to ride mass transit for free. What is the value of a human life? Not the emotional value, but real world civil court value of a life. One cop on that train and how many lives are saved? I don't agree with randomly handing out free rides to anyone. However if an officer wants to carry and be willing to act, welcome aboard. Its a much cheaper alternative to hiring a cop to ride the train.
How is a discount any different than a free pass? What's a fair break, 10%, 20%, or 99%?
How many joy rides do you think cruisers, fire trucks or ambulances take across the bridges and tunnels? Generally speaking we are making these crossings because we have to. We do not charge the MTA or TBTA for services rendered on their property so why would they charge us for using their crossings? At the start of the budget crunch there was an attempt by the TBTA to start billing emergency vehicles until this very point was made to them. The FD would happily develop a rate structure for responses on their property. Its bad enough that not having an EZPass or using a cash only lane causes actual delays in response while they attempt to record your vehicle number, license plate, and driver ID. Everything has a cost, just because you're not seeing it at the toll booth or turnstile doesn't mean it is not being recouped in another way.
No, but they do frequently receive discounts to all those places and more. How often are doctors, nurses, or lawyers experienced in handling whatever situation they may encounter outside the warm confines of their office? The fact of the matter is emergency service workers are experienced in handling not just the situation but the crowds and uncontrolled environment they find themselves in. Businesses give us discounts for both the goodwill it generates and to attract people that can and will help in an emergency.
The engineer was paid to design the train. Until an engineer voluntarily walks into the MTA's Brooklyn headquarters and hands over a useful design or schematic without outside compensation that's not a valid point. The MTA expects members riding for free to step up and help in an emergency.
For all the calls I handle in public places in Manhattan it is incredibly rare for a bystander not connected to emergency services to stop and help. Nurses are the only exception to this. Everyone else, whether they're suits or laborers all have a volunteer gig or previous career in emergency services.

PD or FD riding the trains are two separate things. IF PD is riding undercover, off-duty and the train peoples say they ride for free, that's that.
FD; how many guys have gone on a Metro ride through the years in their Class A's going to a funeral? IF the ticket-taker decides to respect the uniform, that's it. It's not YOU that is getting a professional courtesy, it's the respect for the uniform. Do not expect that courtesy to be extended to you on St. Patrick's Day or any other day in your civies.

The uniform requirement in NYC was under the assumption that cops and firefighters generally only wear their uniforms on duty. Exceptions are infrequent enough as to be insignificant. As grumpy pointed out while they are technically riding for free they are expected to act in the event of an emergency. While these are rare, they are frequent enough that the vast majority of employed cops, firefighters, and ems happily pair their way so as to remain anonymous.
The LIRR shooting was a really big deal. This was not some random spraying of bullets into a crowded train. He walked through the train calmly shooting each passenger as they sat or hid in their seat. He was armed with more than 100 rounds of ammunition and was not stopped until 3 citizens jumped him while he attempted to load his third clip. The public was understandably upset and politicians wanted to get more cops riding the trains. There were proposals put forward to make any cop legally allowed to ride mass transit for free. What is the value of a human life? Not the emotional value, but real world civil court value of a life. One cop on that train and how many lives are saved? I don't agree with randomly handing out free rides to anyone. However if an officer wants to carry and be willing to act, welcome aboard. Its a much cheaper alternative to hiring a cop to ride the train.
How is a discount any different than a free pass? What's a fair break, 10%, 20%, or 99%?
How many joy rides do you think cruisers, fire trucks or ambulances take across the bridges and tunnels? Generally speaking we are making these crossings because we have to. We do not charge the MTA or TBTA for services rendered on their property so why would they charge us for using their crossings? At the start of the budget crunch there was an attempt by the TBTA to start billing emergency vehicles until this very point was made to them. The FD would happily develop a rate structure for responses on their property. Its bad enough that not having an EZPass or using a cash only lane causes actual delays in response while they attempt to record your vehicle number, license plate, and driver ID. Everything has a cost, just because you're not seeing it at the toll booth or turnstile doesn't mean it is not being recouped in another way.
No, but they do frequently receive discounts to all those places and more. How often are doctors, nurses, or lawyers experienced in handling whatever situation they may encounter outside the warm confines of their office? The fact of the matter is emergency service workers are experienced in handling not just the situation but the crowds and uncontrolled environment they find themselves in. Businesses give us discounts for both the goodwill it generates and to attract people that can and will help in an emergency.
The engineer was paid to design the train. Until an engineer voluntarily walks into the MTA's Brooklyn headquarters and hands over a useful design or schematic without outside compensation that's not a valid point. The MTA expects members riding for free to step up and help in an emergency.
For all the calls I handle in public places in Manhattan it is incredibly rare for a bystander not connected to emergency services to stop and help. Nurses are the only exception to this. Everyone else, whether they're suits or laborers all have a volunteer gig or previous career in emergency services.

The uniform requirement in NYC was under the assumption that cops and firefighters generally only wear their uniforms on duty. Exceptions are infrequent enough as to be insignificant. As grumpy pointed out while they are technically riding for free they are expected to act in the event of an emergency. While these are rare, they are frequent enough that the vast majority of employed cops, firefighters, and ems happily pair their way so as to remain anonymous.
The LIRR shooting was a really big deal. This was not some random spraying of bullets into a crowded train. He walked through the train calmly shooting each passenger as they sat or hid in their seat. He was armed with more than 100 rounds of ammunition and was not stopped until 3 citizens jumped him while he attempted to load his third clip. The public was understandably upset and politicians wanted to get more cops riding the trains. There were proposals put forward to make any cop legally allowed to ride mass transit for free. What is the value of a human life? Not the emotional value, but real world civil court value of a life. One cop on that train and how many lives are saved? I don't agree with randomly handing out free rides to anyone. However if an officer wants to carry and be willing to act, welcome aboard. Its a much cheaper alternative to hiring a cop to ride the train.
How is a discount any different than a free pass? What's a fair break, 10%, 20%, or 99%?
How many joy rides do you think cruisers, fire trucks or ambulances take across the bridges and tunnels? Generally speaking we are making these crossings because we have to. We do not charge the MTA or TBTA for services rendered on their property so why would they charge us for using their crossings? At the start of the budget crunch there was an attempt by the TBTA to start billing emergency vehicles until this very point was made to them. The FD would happily develop a rate structure for responses on their property. Its bad enough that not having an EZPass or using a cash only lane causes actual delays in response while they attempt to record your vehicle number, license plate, and driver ID. Everything has a cost, just because you're not seeing it at the toll booth or turnstile doesn't mean it is not being recouped in another way.
No, but they do frequently receive discounts to all those places and more. How often are doctors, nurses, or lawyers experienced in handling whatever situation they may encounter outside the warm confines of their office? The fact of the matter is emergency service workers are experienced in handling not just the situation but the crowds and uncontrolled environment they find themselves in. Businesses give us discounts for both the goodwill it generates and to attract people that can and will help in an emergency.
The engineer was paid to design the train. Until an engineer voluntarily walks into the MTA's Brooklyn headquarters and hands over a useful design or schematic without outside compensation that's not a valid point. The MTA expects members riding for free to step up and help in an emergency.
For all the calls I handle in public places in Manhattan it is incredibly rare for a bystander not connected to emergency services to stop and help. Nurses are the only exception to this. Everyone else, whether they're suits or laborers all have a volunteer gig or previous career in emergency services.

The uniform requirement in NYC was under the assumption that cops and firefighters generally only wear their uniforms on duty. Exceptions are infrequent enough as to be insignificant. As grumpy pointed out while they are technically riding for free they are expected to act in the event of an emergency. While these are rare, they are frequent enough that the vast majority of employed cops, firefighters, and ems happily pair their way so as to remain anonymous.
The LIRR shooting was a really big deal. This was not some random spraying of bullets into a crowded train. He walked through the train calmly shooting each passenger as they sat or hid in their seat. He was armed with more than 100 rounds of ammunition and was not stopped until 3 citizens jumped him while he attempted to load his third clip. The public was understandably upset and politicians wanted to get more cops riding the trains. There were proposals put forward to make any cop legally allowed to ride mass transit for free. What is the value of a human life? Not the emotional value, but real world civil court value of a life. One cop on that train and how many lives are saved? I don't agree with randomly handing out free rides to anyone. However if an officer wants to carry and be willing to act, welcome aboard. Its a much cheaper alternative to hiring a cop to ride the train.
How is a discount any different than a free pass? What's a fair break, 10%, 20%, or 99%?
How many joy rides do you think cruisers, fire trucks or ambulances take across the bridges and tunnels? Generally speaking we are making these crossings because we have to. We do not charge the MTA or TBTA for services rendered on their property so why would they charge us for using their crossings? At the start of the budget crunch there was an attempt by the TBTA to start billing emergency vehicles until this very point was made to them. The FD would happily develop a rate structure for responses on their property. Its bad enough that not having an EZPass or using a cash only lane causes actual delays in response while they attempt to record your vehicle number, license plate, and driver ID. Everything has a cost, just because you're not seeing it at the toll booth or turnstile doesn't mean it is not being recouped in another way.
No, but they do frequently receive discounts to all those places and more. How often are doctors, nurses, or lawyers experienced in handling whatever situation they may encounter outside the warm confines of their office? The fact of the matter is emergency service workers are experienced in handling not just the situation but the crowds and uncontrolled environment they find themselves in. Businesses give us discounts for both the goodwill it generates and to attract people that can and will help in an emergency.
The engineer was paid to design the train. Until an engineer voluntarily walks into the MTA's Brooklyn headquarters and hands over a useful design or schematic without outside compensation that's not a valid point. The MTA expects members riding for free to step up and help in an emergency.
For all the calls I handle in public places in Manhattan it is incredibly rare for a bystander not connected to emergency services to stop and help. Nurses are the only exception to this. Everyone else, whether they're suits or laborers all have a volunteer gig or previous career in emergency services.

I remember it very well. The dumb a** actually defended himself....thought he was Perry Mason

These aren't secrets. The MTA allows FDNY and NYPD to ride in uniform for free throughout the 5 boroughs. After the Colin Ferguson shooting on the LIRR it became policy to allow cops to ride free at all times. Since Metro North and LIRR are still semi autonomous I don't know what their rules are, but I doubt they're too different.

The best thing about every diet or exercise plan anyone here and everywhere else will suggest is that they work. Running, lifting weights, crossfit, MMA, walking, eating less, no carbs, all meat, all raw, nothing with a shadow, whatever it is is.
They all have the same fatal flaw. YOU have to stick to it. Do it till you get bored then do something else. Do a bunch of them, or just do one of them. Just do something! Please, do something and get others to join you. Moose and every other member here. None of us are perfect and the sooner you get at it, the easier and more beneficial it is down the road.

The best thing about every diet or exercise plan anyone here and everywhere else will suggest is that they work. Running, lifting weights, crossfit, MMA, walking, eating less, no carbs, all meat, all raw, nothing with a shadow, whatever it is is.
They all have the same fatal flaw. YOU have to stick to it. Do it till you get bored then do something else. Do a bunch of them, or just do one of them. Just do something! Please, do something and get others to join you. Moose and every other member here. None of us are perfect and the sooner you get at it, the easier and more beneficial it is down the road.

The best thing about every diet or exercise plan anyone here and everywhere else will suggest is that they work. Running, lifting weights, crossfit, MMA, walking, eating less, no carbs, all meat, all raw, nothing with a shadow, whatever it is is.
They all have the same fatal flaw. YOU have to stick to it. Do it till you get bored then do something else. Do a bunch of them, or just do one of them. Just do something! Please, do something and get others to join you. Moose and every other member here. None of us are perfect and the sooner you get at it, the easier and more beneficial it is down the road.

Field providers don't specify which Medevac unit is dispatched. The fact that "Stat Flight" is requested by name is purely out-of-habit and it is really only semantics. In the Westchester/Rockland/Surrounding region, you could get either of the LifeNet's or NYSP. A solution would be a broad-based dispatch protocol that assures closet unit responses independent of State Lines. LifeNet already coordinates appropriate unit response as it is with the rotating call schedule between LifeNet and NYSP. Interstate mutual aid is addressed in part by Title 10 Part 800.14. As with almost anything in EMS, there is usually a better way forward, and one can only hopes that brighter minds prevail.

Since they do not operate off of taxes, they may be able to sell any equipment and share any profits amongst the members.. As for them, they are like a case of herpes, it never quite goes away, and can flare up at any time

Actually last year NY was over funded. If you average out pension costs to the tax payers over a career rather than just the boom and bust cycle of the last 10 years pensions are an excellent investment for the taxpayers. Both social security and state pension systems were raided when they were profitable. I keep pointing this out, but you people on the right keep ignoring it. HAD GOVERNMENTS MAINTAINED THEIR CONTRIBUTIONS RATHER THAN REDUCING THEM BECAUSE OF STRONG MARKET RETURNS NY, NYC, AND I'm SURE MANY OTHER FUNDS WOULD STILL BE FUNDED WITHOUT THESE MASSIVE INCREASES. 2000% increases in taxpayer contributions is outrageous. But ask yourself what changed to necessitate those changes. There wasn't a surge in retirements nor was there a spike in payouts. The government finally got caught with their hand in the cookie jar. All of this applies to social security too. They kept kicking the ball down the road saying we'll pay it back later, but later never came.

If they have a star of life in the cap window they are EMS conditions cars operated by an EMS Lt or occasionally a Captain. A while back the department ordered several of these vehicles, 80 I believe. 40 went to Fire Battalions and 40 EMS. The Fire and EMS versions have different slide out trays.

Ok so its April 1st and anyone hired from this day forward is screwed. However if you are elected, not hired, you may benefit.
I just heard on the radio that the new legislation has a hidden clause that increases the pension for the Assembly members, Senators and the Gov. and while new employees who do not work till 63 years of age lose 6/5% per year, the new pension for elected officals has them vested after 1 year.
Of course this was all past in the middle of the night.

My best guess is parallel cord wood trusses. Most other things wouldn't collapse together like they do. Even an inverted roof dosen't drop like that over a large area. While it looks like it dropped and didn't fully collapse it propably has no weight bearing capabiliites left.
The inside truck crew should be popping up a ceiling tile on entry to see the cockloft to make sure they are not advancing deep into the building with fire over them. This exam can also give you an idea what the roof construction is. This must be communicated to command and the brothers on the roof.