LTFIREPRG

A couple of key points:

· There is no such thing as a routine call.
· Complacency kills.
· Train like your fight – fight like you train.

CO can be an intermitting problem; it can be generated each time an improperly functioning or vented furnace, water heater or appliance starts up or runs. Just because your meter is not showing any CO upon your arrival, don’t assume it is another false alarm, especially if it is for a prior alarm location. You either have a CO problem or a faulty detector. Take the time to perform a complete investigation, fire up each and every fuel burning appliance and all sources of CO and check with a properly calibrated meter.

And on a side note, if you are looking to save fuel, stop riding around in the apparatus for hours on end and calling it driver training. NOTE: This is my opinion and is based on my 36+ years in the fire service! Not looking for a debate, if the shoe fits were it.

A couple of key points:

· There is no such thing as a routine call.
· Complacency kills.
· Train like your fight – fight like you train.

CO can be an intermitting problem; it can be generated each time an improperly functioning or vented furnace, water heater or appliance starts up or runs. Just because your meter is not showing any CO upon your arrival, don’t assume it is another false alarm, especially if it is for a prior alarm location. You either have a CO problem or a faulty detector. Take the time to perform a complete investigation, fire up each and every fuel burning appliance and all sources of CO and check with a properly calibrated meter.

And on a side note, if you are looking to save fuel, stop riding around in the apparatus for hours on end and calling it driver training. NOTE: This is my opinion and is based on my 36+ years in the fire service! Not looking for a debate, if the shoe fits were it.

A couple of key points:

· There is no such thing as a routine call.
· Complacency kills.
· Train like your fight – fight like you train.

CO can be an intermitting problem; it can be generated each time an improperly functioning or vented furnace, water heater or appliance starts up or runs. Just because your meter is not showing any CO upon your arrival, don’t assume it is another false alarm, especially if it is for a prior alarm location. You either have a CO problem or a faulty detector. Take the time to perform a complete investigation, fire up each and every fuel burning appliance and all sources of CO and check with a properly calibrated meter.

And on a side note, if you are looking to save fuel, stop riding around in the apparatus for hours on end and calling it driver training. NOTE: This is my opinion and is based on my 36+ years in the fire service! Not looking for a debate, if the shoe fits were it.

A couple of key points:

· There is no such thing as a routine call.
· Complacency kills.
· Train like your fight – fight like you train.

CO can be an intermitting problem; it can be generated each time an improperly functioning or vented furnace, water heater or appliance starts up or runs. Just because your meter is not showing any CO upon your arrival, don’t assume it is another false alarm, especially if it is for a prior alarm location. You either have a CO problem or a faulty detector. Take the time to perform a complete investigation, fire up each and every fuel burning appliance and all sources of CO and check with a properly calibrated meter.

And on a side note, if you are looking to save fuel, stop riding around in the apparatus for hours on end and calling it driver training. NOTE: This is my opinion and is based on my 36+ years in the fire service! Not looking for a debate, if the shoe fits were it.

A couple of key points:

· There is no such thing as a routine call.
· Complacency kills.
· Train like your fight – fight like you train.

CO can be an intermitting problem; it can be generated each time an improperly functioning or vented furnace, water heater or appliance starts up or runs. Just because your meter is not showing any CO upon your arrival, don’t assume it is another false alarm, especially if it is for a prior alarm location. You either have a CO problem or a faulty detector. Take the time to perform a complete investigation, fire up each and every fuel burning appliance and all sources of CO and check with a properly calibrated meter.

And on a side note, if you are looking to save fuel, stop riding around in the apparatus for hours on end and calling it driver training. NOTE: This is my opinion and is based on my 36+ years in the fire service! Not looking for a debate, if the shoe fits were it.

A couple of key points:

· There is no such thing as a routine call.
· Complacency kills.
· Train like your fight – fight like you train.

CO can be an intermitting problem; it can be generated each time an improperly functioning or vented furnace, water heater or appliance starts up or runs. Just because your meter is not showing any CO upon your arrival, don’t assume it is another false alarm, especially if it is for a prior alarm location. You either have a CO problem or a faulty detector. Take the time to perform a complete investigation, fire up each and every fuel burning appliance and all sources of CO and check with a properly calibrated meter.

And on a side note, if you are looking to save fuel, stop riding around in the apparatus for hours on end and calling it driver training. NOTE: This is my opinion and is based on my 36+ years in the fire service! Not looking for a debate, if the shoe fits were it.

A couple of key points:

· There is no such thing as a routine call.
· Complacency kills.
· Train like your fight – fight like you train.

CO can be an intermitting problem; it can be generated each time an improperly functioning or vented furnace, water heater or appliance starts up or runs. Just because your meter is not showing any CO upon your arrival, don’t assume it is another false alarm, especially if it is for a prior alarm location. You either have a CO problem or a faulty detector. Take the time to perform a complete investigation, fire up each and every fuel burning appliance and all sources of CO and check with a properly calibrated meter.

And on a side note, if you are looking to save fuel, stop riding around in the apparatus for hours on end and calling it driver training. NOTE: This is my opinion and is based on my 36+ years in the fire service! Not looking for a debate, if the shoe fits were it.

Hello Members of the media (I know you read this)....why not do some investigative journalism into the very serious, life threatening issue of fire department and EMS departments in Westchester County vis-a-vis, oftentimes ridiculously long response times, inadequately trained responders, duplication of resources, lack of transparency in regard to finances and frankly many other issues within lots of departments. This is serious stuff!
Disclaimer- , I must very clearly state....this is not an attack on volunteer Firefighters, EMS workers or their departments! There are many dedicated and knowledgeable volunteer members of emergency services in this region. However, the SYSTEM is BROKEN!
Positive change very rarely comes from inside of an organization, but rather through blunt force trauma from the outside. Well media, how about a little blunt force trauma in regard to this issue? Personally, my own department has been going through some blunt force trauma from certain segments of the media lately, and I'm ok with that- there's nothing to hide, no organization is perfect, transparency and acceptance of change are good things....Why are volunteer organizations who equally hold the fate of people's lives and property (and taxes) in their hands getting a pass from the media?
In closing, I will pre-emptively state that I will not be engaging in a back and forth bicker on this topic, and yes, I do anticipate attempts at deflecting from the issue at hand by attacking myself personally as well as my own department. So, please don't take my non-responsiveness as acquiesence, agreement, or defeat. I'm just too busy to bother with responding to all of it. This post is really just for the media- maybe someday someone in the media in this area will wake up and realize how honest reporting in regard to this crisis would save lives, property and dollars. I'm not optimistic though, because I guess it's just easier to attack salaries, benefits, and pensions, and ignore an almost completely broken system right next door.
stay safe and qtip brothers and sisters!

Also regardless of the fact that the buildings are owned by the municipality, if you are selling alcohol, regardless of how much your selling it for, you need a liquor license in NYS. The bottom line is alcohol and fighting fires don’t mix, especially driving a rig after consuming any amount.

Also regardless of the fact that the buildings are owned by the municipality, if you are selling alcohol, regardless of how much your selling it for, you need a liquor license in NYS. The bottom line is alcohol and fighting fires don’t mix, especially driving a rig after consuming any amount.

Also regardless of the fact that the buildings are owned by the municipality, if you are selling alcohol, regardless of how much your selling it for, you need a liquor license in NYS. The bottom line is alcohol and fighting fires don’t mix, especially driving a rig after consuming any amount.

Also regardless of the fact that the buildings are owned by the municipality, if you are selling alcohol, regardless of how much your selling it for, you need a liquor license in NYS. The bottom line is alcohol and fighting fires don’t mix, especially driving a rig after consuming any amount.

Also regardless of the fact that the buildings are owned by the municipality, if you are selling alcohol, regardless of how much your selling it for, you need a liquor license in NYS. The bottom line is alcohol and fighting fires don’t mix, especially driving a rig after consuming any amount.

it seems pretty simple to me heres how ihandled it when asked in an Officers class--"if you cant do it in the library or in police headquarters what make you think you can do it in the fire house?"
in most cases the Department/company do not own the buildings--we are coustodians of the buildings--they belong to the public paid for by the public with taxes.
just my thoughts

Its a place of business. The particular business is to protect and serve the people of a town and or city. Do these folks drink at their place of paid employment? I'm betting not, so why is this any different? What amazes me about volunteers, (not all of them) is the fact that they will argue to the death that they are of the same quality and held to the same professional standards as Career firemen yet they go around pulling crap like this. Its pathetic and it truly does separate the REAL firemen from the boys.
Drinking is no place for the firehouse.

The Governor should declare a state of emergency in Newburgh, send in the National Guard to assist the PD & FD and use his power to remove the Mayor and Council Members and replace them with competent individuals.

NFPA 1851
Standard on Selection, Care, and Maintenance of Protective Ensembles for Structural Fire Fighting and Proximity Fire Fighting

Chapter 3 Definitions

3.3.31 Ensemble.
The compliant products that
provide protection to the upper and lower torso, arms, legs,
head, hands, and feet.


Chapter 10 Retirement, Disposition, and
Special Incident Procedure

10.1.2*
shall be retired in accordance with 10.2.1, no more than
10 years from the date the ensembles or ensemble elements
were manufactured.


A.10.1.1 Retirement criteria should be based on a number of
factors, including, but not limited to, the following:
(1) Overall condition of the item
(2) Specific deterioration of materials or components beyond
their economic repair
(3) Ability to adequately remove hazardous materials and
other contaminants
(4) Age of structural or proximity ensemble or ensemble
elements
Physical damage from use, detrimental effects from improper
cleaning procedures, and fabric failure of an ensemble
and ensemble elements that can make repairs impossible are
other factors that can affect when an item should be retired.
Where ensembles and ensemble elements are worn, damaged,
or contaminated, organizations should determine if it
would be more appropriate for them to be repaired, decontaminated,
or replaced. One general guideline is if the cost of
the repair or decontamination is greater than 50 percent of
the replacement cost of the ensemble or ensemble elements,
replacement should be considered. A typical guideline that
can be used involves the use of a matrix that takes into account
the current age of the gear and the cost of the repair versus the
replacement cost of the item. (See A.10.1.4.)
Experience suggests that ensembles and ensemble elements
that are approaching 10 years since the date of their manufacture
have a high likelihood of performance deficiencies in multiple
areas that can often be detected only by destructive testing. Additionally,
experience suggests that the reflective outer shell of
proximity elements that are approaching 5 years since the date of
their manufacture have a high likelihood of performance failures
that can be detected only by destructive testing. Such performance
failures could compromise fire fighter safety.
It is important to understand that the actual service life of
ensembles and ensemble elements varies depending on the
amount of their use and the care they receive. Factors such as
the size of the department, area covered, types of exposures,
and the aggressiveness of the individual fire fighter are all considerations
in how long any ensemble element will last. It is
possible that a protective element could be exposed to circumstances
that totally destroy it the first time it is utilized. Since
the purpose of fire fighters’ protective elements is to protect
the wearer, if the element has saved a life or prevented serious
injury, even just once, it has done its job. In many cases, an
ensemble or ensemble element will need to be retired sooner
than 10 years (or 5 years for the proximity reflective outer
shell component).
Organizations should use members who have received training
in the inspection of ensembles and ensemble elements, who
understand the limitations of each ensemble and ensemble element,
and who recognize the signs of failure to help make decisions
as to the integrity of an ensemble or ensemble element.
An additional consideration that can influence the decision
to repair or replace an ensemble or ensemble element
centers on the advances in technology that occur through
each revision of NFPA 1971, Standard on Protective Ensembles for
Structural Fire Fighting and Proximity Fire Fighting. These technological
advances might be deemed important enough by an
organization to influence its criteria for replacement of ensembles
or ensemble elements.
A.10.1.2 After discussion of the concept of mandatory retirement
for protective elements, the consensus of the technical
committee, led by the fire service segment, is that the life of a
turnout suit is generally less than 10 years. Regardless of when
the element was originally produced, it is imperative that the
protective elements be routinely inspected to ensure that they
are clean, well maintained, and still safe. Just knowing the age
of the elements cannot do that.

If I found out this is how my officer candidates got their answers, I'd be very disappointed. Look the web is great and serves to uncover all types of information, but looking in a forum for answers that should be found within one's own FD manuals is just crazy and another word that rhymes with it.

Looks like the new officers have had enough to chew on with all the posts that came down this thread.
And REALLY LISTEN to wm6ff. Read her post again...the part about pissing people off. A new Lt. is very often Gung Ho and hot to trot. He has taken a couple of courses and wants the older guys to throw out a lot of things they do and follow the New Loo. Befriend the old guys, ask them what they would like to see in training. You might be surprised.
You cannot order respect, you have to earn it. That takes time and patience. Remember they're watching you. Who? The people below you and the people above you.
When an 18 year old goes away to college, they usually are happy to leave home because their father and his way thinking is so dumb.
Once they graduate and are looking for a job, they are amazed at how much the old man learned in four short years.

Your post is interesting, however I think you are being a bit judgmental when you lump all "older" firemen into one group and say they are more susceptible to tradition than progression.
First off, while older firemen love tradition, most younger people (if they truly have the heart of firefighting within) quickly fall in love with tradition as well.
Yet while older guys love their traditions, many have always been focused on progression as well. How do you think the fire service has gotten to the point it has today? It has been lead by the more experienced, who have done the work, done the legislative lobbying, developed new SOP/G's for fireground operation and training as well.
I know the old-timers Sage referring too. If they can't cut the interior qualifications, they're out. Simple as that. There is plenty more for them to do outside, just make sure they don't get their hands on an unauthorized hoseline and start shooting it in the windows while the interior peeps are doing their thing.
In closing, I guess the distinction must be made with regard to training and senior members as to whether or not they are going to be interior. And making sure that those who are not going in, don't do anything dangerous on the fireground to endanger those within, or any other part of the operation.

It’s good that you and some of the younger guys are perusing you fire service instructor certification. Be a sponge, attend as many courses and seminar as you can. There is always some new information or technique to learn.

It is a difficult thing to try and get older members to participate in training, especially in the volunteer setting. I’m sure you have heard some of the standard reply’s “I have more time on the siren, then you have been on this earth son” or “the new broom sweeps clean”. Don’t get discouraged, continue to increase your knowledge and skills and share what you have learned with anyone who wants to learn and grow. I beleive and would tell everyone of my classes to new firefighters I tought, weather career or volunteer, that training is a career long commitment. As I have said before, the fire does not care if you are getting paid or volunteering, if you are required by law to have 300 hours or 8 hours of training, its will kill you just the same.

One way you might accomplish getting senior members to participate is to form a training committee and invite some of the senior influential members to be part of the committee. Tell them you would like their input on the difficulties and issues they have faced in the past during fire and emergency operations so you (the company, department, the training committee) can focus the training in these as well as the other necessary areas. Remember the old saying; people tend to support what they help create. Also now these senior influential members of your committee will hopefully motivate the other senior members to participate in the training that they are a part of developing. Even if you get 25% of the senior members, you have increased the overall safety of the department and others may follow.

Don’t get discouraged, keep plugging along it’s not going to happen over night.

It’s good that you and some of the younger guys are perusing you fire service instructor certification. Be a sponge, attend as many courses and seminar as you can. There is always some new information or technique to learn.

It is a difficult thing to try and get older members to participate in training, especially in the volunteer setting. I’m sure you have heard some of the standard reply’s “I have more time on the siren, then you have been on this earth son” or “the new broom sweeps clean”. Don’t get discouraged, continue to increase your knowledge and skills and share what you have learned with anyone who wants to learn and grow. I beleive and would tell everyone of my classes to new firefighters I tought, weather career or volunteer, that training is a career long commitment. As I have said before, the fire does not care if you are getting paid or volunteering, if you are required by law to have 300 hours or 8 hours of training, its will kill you just the same.

One way you might accomplish getting senior members to participate is to form a training committee and invite some of the senior influential members to be part of the committee. Tell them you would like their input on the difficulties and issues they have faced in the past during fire and emergency operations so you (the company, department, the training committee) can focus the training in these as well as the other necessary areas. Remember the old saying; people tend to support what they help create. Also now these senior influential members of your committee will hopefully motivate the other senior members to participate in the training that they are a part of developing. Even if you get 25% of the senior members, you have increased the overall safety of the department and others may follow.

Don’t get discouraged, keep plugging along it’s not going to happen over night.

It’s good that you and some of the younger guys are perusing you fire service instructor certification. Be a sponge, attend as many courses and seminar as you can. There is always some new information or technique to learn.

It is a difficult thing to try and get older members to participate in training, especially in the volunteer setting. I’m sure you have heard some of the standard reply’s “I have more time on the siren, then you have been on this earth son” or “the new broom sweeps clean”. Don’t get discouraged, continue to increase your knowledge and skills and share what you have learned with anyone who wants to learn and grow. I beleive and would tell everyone of my classes to new firefighters I tought, weather career or volunteer, that training is a career long commitment. As I have said before, the fire does not care if you are getting paid or volunteering, if you are required by law to have 300 hours or 8 hours of training, its will kill you just the same.

One way you might accomplish getting senior members to participate is to form a training committee and invite some of the senior influential members to be part of the committee. Tell them you would like their input on the difficulties and issues they have faced in the past during fire and emergency operations so you (the company, department, the training committee) can focus the training in these as well as the other necessary areas. Remember the old saying; people tend to support what they help create. Also now these senior influential members of your committee will hopefully motivate the other senior members to participate in the training that they are a part of developing. Even if you get 25% of the senior members, you have increased the overall safety of the department and others may follow.

Don’t get discouraged, keep plugging along it’s not going to happen over night.

It’s good that you and some of the younger guys are perusing you fire service instructor certification. Be a sponge, attend as many courses and seminar as you can. There is always some new information or technique to learn.

It is a difficult thing to try and get older members to participate in training, especially in the volunteer setting. I’m sure you have heard some of the standard reply’s “I have more time on the siren, then you have been on this earth son” or “the new broom sweeps clean”. Don’t get discouraged, continue to increase your knowledge and skills and share what you have learned with anyone who wants to learn and grow. I beleive and would tell everyone of my classes to new firefighters I tought, weather career or volunteer, that training is a career long commitment. As I have said before, the fire does not care if you are getting paid or volunteering, if you are required by law to have 300 hours or 8 hours of training, its will kill you just the same.

One way you might accomplish getting senior members to participate is to form a training committee and invite some of the senior influential members to be part of the committee. Tell them you would like their input on the difficulties and issues they have faced in the past during fire and emergency operations so you (the company, department, the training committee) can focus the training in these as well as the other necessary areas. Remember the old saying; people tend to support what they help create. Also now these senior influential members of your committee will hopefully motivate the other senior members to participate in the training that they are a part of developing. Even if you get 25% of the senior members, you have increased the overall safety of the department and others may follow.

Don’t get discouraged, keep plugging along it’s not going to happen over night.

It’s good that you and some of the younger guys are perusing you fire service instructor certification. Be a sponge, attend as many courses and seminar as you can. There is always some new information or technique to learn.

It is a difficult thing to try and get older members to participate in training, especially in the volunteer setting. I’m sure you have heard some of the standard reply’s “I have more time on the siren, then you have been on this earth son” or “the new broom sweeps clean”. Don’t get discouraged, continue to increase your knowledge and skills and share what you have learned with anyone who wants to learn and grow. I beleive and would tell everyone of my classes to new firefighters I tought, weather career or volunteer, that training is a career long commitment. As I have said before, the fire does not care if you are getting paid or volunteering, if you are required by law to have 300 hours or 8 hours of training, its will kill you just the same.

One way you might accomplish getting senior members to participate is to form a training committee and invite some of the senior influential members to be part of the committee. Tell them you would like their input on the difficulties and issues they have faced in the past during fire and emergency operations so you (the company, department, the training committee) can focus the training in these as well as the other necessary areas. Remember the old saying; people tend to support what they help create. Also now these senior influential members of your committee will hopefully motivate the other senior members to participate in the training that they are a part of developing. Even if you get 25% of the senior members, you have increased the overall safety of the department and others may follow.

Don’t get discouraged, keep plugging along it’s not going to happen over night.