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The law isn't that old and why is necessary to turn this into a liberal government thing, seems this is has turned into more of a political complaint then anything else, you asked why police vehicle do not have blue lights facing forward, you were given the exact reason why then reply you already know? So now we've gone from blue lights facing forward now to guns, drugs, sorry you keep saying NC this NC that then please why not then move to Greensboro???? This is my first post to question another posters comments or motive but clearly this seems more then about blue lights and please I cannot speak for the moderators, let's keep the political BS off the site!!!! Blast away as you may!!!!!!!!

Maybe this should go on the Anti-NY thread, not a thread debating the merits of Blue lights.

Chkpoint wrote:
"What bothers the crap out of me is Vollys setting their POV up like a unmarked Christmas tree. One: it's illegal and also why? You can't go through red lights or have a siren and people do not have to move over for you."
I always thought it must be embarrassing to be stopped a red light with a with a blue light flashing on my car.
wiscems wrote:
"Also might have something to do with NYS following what NYPD does"
It took the NYPD a while to go with the blue lights even after they were authorized. I hope no one is following NYPD. The NYPD finally phased out typewriters only about 5 years ago.
Any existing law can be changed. It probably has more to do with tradition than anything else
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On a related note, some of these vehicles that can be seen a mile away actually can cause problems. They can be so bright, that you cannot see anything other than the light. The lights can wash out anything in the area. You may see the light, but you are not going to see the cop standing next to the radio car, or debris in the roadway, or anything else. Some are a bit too much. Sort of too much of a good thing.

The Demo cars were purchased in black for economics sake, that was a standard available color. The large orders being placed now are being made for the custom blue color that your used to seeing.

Why did NYC have to come up to the TZB again?
Other than the Coast Guard, the NYPD is the only other area agency that has a 24/7 Helicopter that is an Air-Sea rescue that, besides a helicopter crew, has divers on stand-by 24/7. Besides that helo, I believe they have 5 regular helicopters and 2-3 of those are staffed 24/7.
If anyone else had that at the time and was immediately available, I am sure they would have been called.

The problem is that the system is broken, and everyone is trying to fix individual pieces.

GZ called 911. It does not really matter what authority the dispatcher has, what I think matters is that GZ was on the phone with what any prudent person would consider a competent authority. That "competent authority" advised him what to do. Whether or not the dispatcher's "orders" are legally binding or not is ridiculous to even consider. He did not heed that advice. The rest is history. Any Security/Neighborhood watch that has any competent level of training would have been trained to listen to the advice of a dispatcher.
My opinion is that this is a case of an armed, poorly trained, plainclothes half-azzed neighborhood watchman who was a police wanna-be, playing cop, sticking his nose where it did not belong, This incident was doomed to go sideways from the beginning.
As for the dispatcher...if he had heeded that advice, we would not be having this conversation now.
This was all my OPINION. I am not going to debate it. I am not going to change my OPINION. Agree or disagree: fine. I will respect that. Have a differing opinion, I am willing to listen. I will probably not agree, but I will not argue or try and change your mind.

GZ called 911. It does not really matter what authority the dispatcher has, what I think matters is that GZ was on the phone with what any prudent person would consider a competent authority. That "competent authority" advised him what to do. Whether or not the dispatcher's "orders" are legally binding or not is ridiculous to even consider. He did not heed that advice. The rest is history. Any Security/Neighborhood watch that has any competent level of training would have been trained to listen to the advice of a dispatcher.
My opinion is that this is a case of an armed, poorly trained, plainclothes half-azzed neighborhood watchman who was a police wanna-be, playing cop, sticking his nose where it did not belong, This incident was doomed to go sideways from the beginning.
As for the dispatcher...if he had heeded that advice, we would not be having this conversation now.
This was all my OPINION. I am not going to debate it. I am not going to change my OPINION. Agree or disagree: fine. I will respect that. Have a differing opinion, I am willing to listen. I will probably not agree, but I will not argue or try and change your mind.

GZ called 911. It does not really matter what authority the dispatcher has, what I think matters is that GZ was on the phone with what any prudent person would consider a competent authority. That "competent authority" advised him what to do. Whether or not the dispatcher's "orders" are legally binding or not is ridiculous to even consider. He did not heed that advice. The rest is history. Any Security/Neighborhood watch that has any competent level of training would have been trained to listen to the advice of a dispatcher.
My opinion is that this is a case of an armed, poorly trained, plainclothes half-azzed neighborhood watchman who was a police wanna-be, playing cop, sticking his nose where it did not belong, This incident was doomed to go sideways from the beginning.
As for the dispatcher...if he had heeded that advice, we would not be having this conversation now.
This was all my OPINION. I am not going to debate it. I am not going to change my OPINION. Agree or disagree: fine. I will respect that. Have a differing opinion, I am willing to listen. I will probably not agree, but I will not argue or try and change your mind.

It is the system that is broken.
Trying to fix each individual VAC is like swimming upstream. It is not going to work very well nor will it work for very long, and when you are done you will have the same problem next door. The ambulance response solution may be something akin to a County service, or regional merges and/or paid staff.
These issues have been happening for years. For most, the individual VAC's have been able to put off the issues, but as the issues gets worse, it can no longer be put off.
Many local Volunteer FD's are not far behind in facing the same manning problems.

It is the system that is broken.
Trying to fix each individual VAC is like swimming upstream. It is not going to work very well nor will it work for very long, and when you are done you will have the same problem next door. The ambulance response solution may be something akin to a County service, or regional merges and/or paid staff.
These issues have been happening for years. For most, the individual VAC's have been able to put off the issues, but as the issues gets worse, it can no longer be put off.
Many local Volunteer FD's are not far behind in facing the same manning problems.

It is the system that is broken.
Trying to fix each individual VAC is like swimming upstream. It is not going to work very well nor will it work for very long, and when you are done you will have the same problem next door. The ambulance response solution may be something akin to a County service, or regional merges and/or paid staff.
These issues have been happening for years. For most, the individual VAC's have been able to put off the issues, but as the issues gets worse, it can no longer be put off.
Many local Volunteer FD's are not far behind in facing the same manning problems.

One thing they do is frequently annouce they are going to protest notable funerals.
Another thing they frequently do is not show up.

One thing they do is frequently annouce they are going to protest notable funerals.
Another thing they frequently do is not show up.

The Precinct nickname will be "Fort Swingline"!

The new Station House looks like a stapler.
A Precinct can be commanded by a Captain or a Deputy Inspector.
If the Precinct is commanded by a Captain, there can be a second captain assigned to the command, the first one would be designated as the Commanding Officer and would be the head. The second one would be designated the Executive officer, the number 2 guy. If the precinct is commanded by a D.I., the X.O. would still be a Captain.
Usually, the busier houses are commanded by a D.I. Sometimes, the C.O. will start out as a Captain, but after a while, be promoted to D.I.
There have been a few incidents where a precinct has been commanded by a full bird Inspector.
New Precincts are rare, since I went on in 1981, the only new precincts to open were the 49 Precinct in 1985, the 115 in 1989 (approximate), the 33 in 1994 and now the 121 in 2013.
I think this brings the number of Precincts up to 77.
In addition, there are 12 Transit Police Districts and 9 Housing Police Service Areas.

The new Station House looks like a stapler.
A Precinct can be commanded by a Captain or a Deputy Inspector.
If the Precinct is commanded by a Captain, there can be a second captain assigned to the command, the first one would be designated as the Commanding Officer and would be the head. The second one would be designated the Executive officer, the number 2 guy. If the precinct is commanded by a D.I., the X.O. would still be a Captain.
Usually, the busier houses are commanded by a D.I. Sometimes, the C.O. will start out as a Captain, but after a while, be promoted to D.I.
There have been a few incidents where a precinct has been commanded by a full bird Inspector.
New Precincts are rare, since I went on in 1981, the only new precincts to open were the 49 Precinct in 1985, the 115 in 1989 (approximate), the 33 in 1994 and now the 121 in 2013.
I think this brings the number of Precincts up to 77.
In addition, there are 12 Transit Police Districts and 9 Housing Police Service Areas.

I say fine the repeat offenders.
How often does an alarm come in and it actually turns out to be a fire or a robbery/burglar or something that actually requires a Police or Fire response?
A very small percentage of the time, probably a miniscule percentage. In my 36 years of Police/Fire experience, the number of actual emergencies that were reported solely by alarm is astonishingly small.
Some of the repeat offenders should have the service disconnected.
As far as the issue with the Group Homes that Firemoose827 touched on, the answer to that problem is: Hire more staff.
No one wants to hear about it, but the correct answer to that problem is a very simple solution, hire staff to watch the residents properly. The failings in staffing should not become a emergency response issue. Will anyone in a position of responsibility care about solving the actual issue? I do not think I have to answer that question.

I say fine the repeat offenders.
How often does an alarm come in and it actually turns out to be a fire or a robbery/burglar or something that actually requires a Police or Fire response?
A very small percentage of the time, probably a miniscule percentage. In my 36 years of Police/Fire experience, the number of actual emergencies that were reported solely by alarm is astonishingly small.
Some of the repeat offenders should have the service disconnected.
As far as the issue with the Group Homes that Firemoose827 touched on, the answer to that problem is: Hire more staff.
No one wants to hear about it, but the correct answer to that problem is a very simple solution, hire staff to watch the residents properly. The failings in staffing should not become a emergency response issue. Will anyone in a position of responsibility care about solving the actual issue? I do not think I have to answer that question.

For the rest of his career, every time he transmits over the radio, someone will put over a "meow"!

For the rest of his career, every time he transmits over the radio, someone will put over a "meow"!

For the rest of his career, every time he transmits over the radio, someone will put over a "meow"!

I was thinking something looked odd about the photo and yes, the tires look odd, but besides the tires, the photo appears a bit "off". Photoshopped possibly?

I know more than 1 guy with that "hell bent' attitude towards responding to calls. I can even recall a few years ago, I was involved in a converstion with a Vol. FF from Long Island who told me he does not use blue lights on his POV because sometimes he drives a "bit crazy" (his words-not mine) while responding and would not want the public to know who he was affiliated with.
When you are dealing with a mind set like that, training is not going to correct it. The problem is a lack of common sense.
If anyone here could devise a way to teach common sense, they would be a very rich man.

The green/black/white Plymouth is a '68 Fury.
The blue/white Diplomat is probably a Plymouth Gran Fury, the NYPD did not use the Dodge Diplomat as marked RMP's.