JohnnyOV

Ahh to be young and naive. I might be young too, but I know that there is a huge difference between what OFPC's recommends on volunteer training (remember NYS is a home rule state, so FF1 is not required), and FDNY's career academy. The volunteers do not go through the FDNY academy, which would make is almost impossible for them to fit seamlessly into the FDNY's operations. The last thing the FDNY is worried about, are these volunteer companies taking away their jobs. They're worried that their standards and training requirements are not kept up as adequately as the FDNY's, which could endanger the lives of the citizens and responders even more. They "pick on them" because the fail to produce training requirements, or certificates of their members to the FDNY to show that they are all adequately trained.
Everyone might love cake, but that doesn't mean cake is good for you.

That certainly may be the case. But I personally won't vilify these bystanders for doing what they thought was right. They followed their instincts and a certain degree of human nature and attempted to help those in need, when no others could. I'm willing to bet that good Samaritans, over time, have done far, far more good than harm.

You are correct.
A town cannot run any type of fire protection in NYS. They have no power or levy over the operations of the district as they are two separate governing entities. All they are allowed to do, is collect the taxes that the district asks for, and hands the check over to them each tax year. I'll use Yorktown as an example: The Yorktown Heights Fire Department, does not exist. The Yorktown Heights Engine Company Number 1, which is a social organization that supplies the manpower, and the Yorktown Heights Fire District which sets the operating budget and purchases all the equipment and apparatus for the Engine Company members to use exist. They work in operation together to provide fire protection for the town, but in the legal sense, are no way a department of the town, or a department at all. The Chief answers to and works closely with the Board of Fire Commissioners of the district
I'm pretty sure I have this right, but Cities and Villages have an actual Fire Department in their government (a department of 'The city of X" = X fire department). The Croton Fire Department, is an actual department that falls under the Village of Croton - on - Hudson and subsequently answers to the Village Board which sets its expenditures at the recommendations of the Chief of the department. As a real mind turner, they also contract out with parts of Cortlandt for Fire protection. There is no "Fire District" line per se. This is why when Tarrytown had their LODD, the Village was slapped with "Serious Violations" from PESH,"The Village of Tarrytown exposed the employees of the FD (Fire Department) by not developing a permit-required confined space entry program, or provided the necessary training." (http://tarrytown.pat...-manhole-deaths) Had this happened in a town with a fire district, the town itself would have 0 liability.
edit: if consolidation were to occur, there would have to be one large Fire District. i.e. "The Northern Westchester fire District" which could span across towns and villages (I'm not sure about cities).

This, hands down, will change everything. Watch the short video, and I'm sure you'll agree. My favorite part would be the visual exit path.

This, hands down, will change everything. Watch the short video, and I'm sure you'll agree. My favorite part would be the visual exit path.

This, hands down, will change everything. Watch the short video, and I'm sure you'll agree. My favorite part would be the visual exit path.

If Pass alarms are going off on the fireground by accident it is a training issue plain and simple.

should be investing in one of these next...

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I have beached apparatus off road many times. Front yard, back yard, neighbors yard, you name it. I haven't seen a stuck rig that was scrapped on site yet because a wrecker(s) couldn't yank it out.
Watch out for septic tanks though. Don't assume that they are in a logical place and don't assume that just because a lot is vacant that the previous structure's septic isn't still in place.

should be investing in one of these next...

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We rarely do, but this is one of the few times I disagree with your opinion. The agencies should not be required to use the money for radiation and/or hazmat incidents. Entergy should be solely responsible for such equipment and training and at one point I believe its actually federal requirements that the owners/operators of nuclear power plants do so. This also includes training on the use of the equipment and the emergency action plan. Which I can flat out say...I have no idea what the responsibilities of my agency, myself, where any equipment is or how to operate it at this point. I've gotten some CME's based on radiation, annually for about the past 7 years. The same exact lecture. Which by the way is mostly based on common knowledge I teach as an instructor myself and also detailed towards the decon plan if a worker gets contaminated or injured and contaminated.
As far as Patterson getting some of the money and others not...some of the towns, cities etc. may not have put in for any of the grant money. Its just like any other grant, you have an application process. This includes those within the 50 mile radius..not just the 10 mile.

Then do something about it. Insist that FASNY lobbies and NYS follows through increasing the training requirements of volunteer firemen. We're our own worst enemy sometimes.

Seriously, everyone has their panties in a bunch over the name of a tool box and the rather large office water cooler on wheels. Who gives a flying fahtooka what it's called. If they called in responding "Magic Carpet 1" or "Craftsman transport Vehicle" and they show up with sufficient, well trained man power and equipment to get the job done, then they can call themselves what ever they want for all I care.
Priorities people.

Hence while my next car is going to be a Ford as soon as this lease is up. That, and they're coming out with some fantastic options and very reliable cars now.

Incorrect. Ford did not get a bail out, did not declare bankruptcy , did not take a penny of TARP money, returned to profitability over a year before anyone thought they would, rehired laid off workers, re opened shuttered factories and they should be commended for it.
Chrysler on the other hand is owned by the taxpayers and Fiat. GM pulled a stunt by broadcasting a commercial indicating that they had fully repaid their TARP money years ahead of schedule when in reality they used one taxpayer bailout source to pay off another all while breaking up the company into a solvent half which could avoid bankruptcy and an insolvent half where the creditors and taxpayers are still paying for it.
http://money.cnn.com...rtune/index.htm

Date: 1/11/12
Time:13:28
Location: 17 Heritage Dr
Frequency: 46.26, Fire 11, Fire ground 5
Units Operating:
Pleasantville FD: E-91, E-259, TL-5, R-47, T-57 - Car 2371,2372
Thornwood FD TL-1, E-89 for manpower - Car 2471, 2472
Valhalla FD - R9 - FAST - Car 2482
Millwood FD - R-36 - Cascade Car 2252
Chappaqua FD - E 146 - Car 2061, 2062
Batt 11
Armonk FD - E-287 to take up hydrant on Crest view and lay in for the TL operating
Relocate:
Potantico Hills FD: T-12 -Relocated, then requested to the scene, feeding TL-5
Sleepy Hollow FD: E-85 Relocated to PHFD
Briarcliff Manor FD: E-91 relocated PFD HQ
Mount Kisco FD: E-106 - relocated to Chappaqua
Weather Conditions: Cool and sunny
Description Of Incident:
13:28 - Dispatch for possible fire, caller sees house fire behind her house
13:31 - Re dispatch - MPPD relaying that DPW on scene with fully involved house
13:32 - Engine 91 enroute 10-75 transmitted
13:34 - Rescue 47 enroute
13:36 - 2371 ascertaining if anyone on scene yet - negative
13:37 - TL 5 enroute
13:38 - 2371 on scene establishing command - 2 story fully involved wood structure
13:39 - Coned electric and PVAC to the scene
13:57 - Command requesting tanker to the scene to feed the tower ladder - PHFD Tanker 12 enroute from PFD HQ
14:02 - Command updating 2.5 wood story 25x100, 4 hand lines in operation, fire throughout and through the roof, TL in operation as well, exterior operations, fire beginning to darken down
14:15 - Batt 11 requesting one Engine from Armonk to Scene - locate hydrant on Crestview before the scene to feed TL, one engine from Mt. Kisco to Stand by in Chappaqua
14:19 - Armonk HQ inquiring if request if for source pumper or attack engine
14:21 - Armonk toning out for Driver - E-287
14:25 - E-287 responding
14:26 - Batt 11 per command, 1 engine from Thornwood to the scene for manpower
14:27: CC1 - 4 hand lines, (inaudible), 1 Tower Ladder in operation, all hands working, structures integrity compromised.
13:32: Hawthorne to standby for Thornwood
14:35 - E-287 proceed up Heritage Dr, make a right on crestview, and hit the hydrant next to E-259
14:38 - 60-control advising CC1 operating time of 1 hour
14:39 - E-89 enroute
15:00 - CC1 - All visible fire is knocked down, checking for hot spots
photos: http://pleasantville...ulfed-in-flames
video: http://www.lohud.com/article/20120111/NEWS02/120111004/Pleasantville-home-engulfed-flames?odyssey=tab|topnews|text|Frontpage
Reporters:JohnnyOV, IzzyEng4, peterose313, Firedude
Writers: Johnny - has the can, so someone else take the - OV

Date: 1/11/12
Time:13:28
Location: 17 Heritage Dr
Frequency: 46.26, Fire 11, Fire ground 5
Units Operating:
Pleasantville FD: E-91, E-259, TL-5, R-47, T-57 - Car 2371,2372
Thornwood FD TL-1, E-89 for manpower - Car 2471, 2472
Valhalla FD - R9 - FAST - Car 2482
Millwood FD - R-36 - Cascade Car 2252
Chappaqua FD - E 146 - Car 2061, 2062
Batt 11
Armonk FD - E-287 to take up hydrant on Crest view and lay in for the TL operating
Relocate:
Potantico Hills FD: T-12 -Relocated, then requested to the scene, feeding TL-5
Sleepy Hollow FD: E-85 Relocated to PHFD
Briarcliff Manor FD: E-91 relocated PFD HQ
Mount Kisco FD: E-106 - relocated to Chappaqua
Weather Conditions: Cool and sunny
Description Of Incident:
13:28 - Dispatch for possible fire, caller sees house fire behind her house
13:31 - Re dispatch - MPPD relaying that DPW on scene with fully involved house
13:32 - Engine 91 enroute 10-75 transmitted
13:34 - Rescue 47 enroute
13:36 - 2371 ascertaining if anyone on scene yet - negative
13:37 - TL 5 enroute
13:38 - 2371 on scene establishing command - 2 story fully involved wood structure
13:39 - Coned electric and PVAC to the scene
13:57 - Command requesting tanker to the scene to feed the tower ladder - PHFD Tanker 12 enroute from PFD HQ
14:02 - Command updating 2.5 wood story 25x100, 4 hand lines in operation, fire throughout and through the roof, TL in operation as well, exterior operations, fire beginning to darken down
14:15 - Batt 11 requesting one Engine from Armonk to Scene - locate hydrant on Crestview before the scene to feed TL, one engine from Mt. Kisco to Stand by in Chappaqua
14:19 - Armonk HQ inquiring if request if for source pumper or attack engine
14:21 - Armonk toning out for Driver - E-287
14:25 - E-287 responding
14:26 - Batt 11 per command, 1 engine from Thornwood to the scene for manpower
14:27: CC1 - 4 hand lines, (inaudible), 1 Tower Ladder in operation, all hands working, structures integrity compromised.
13:32: Hawthorne to standby for Thornwood
14:35 - E-287 proceed up Heritage Dr, make a right on crestview, and hit the hydrant next to E-259
14:38 - 60-control advising CC1 operating time of 1 hour
14:39 - E-89 enroute
15:00 - CC1 - All visible fire is knocked down, checking for hot spots
photos: http://pleasantville...ulfed-in-flames
video: http://www.lohud.com/article/20120111/NEWS02/120111004/Pleasantville-home-engulfed-flames?odyssey=tab|topnews|text|Frontpage
Reporters:JohnnyOV, IzzyEng4, peterose313, Firedude
Writers: Johnny - has the can, so someone else take the - OV

Ahhh......It was 9 years old ?

Date: 1/11/12
Time:13:28
Location: 17 Heritage Dr
Frequency: 46.26, Fire 11, Fire ground 5
Units Operating:
Pleasantville FD: E-91, E-259, TL-5, R-47, T-57 - Car 2371,2372
Thornwood FD TL-1, E-89 for manpower - Car 2471, 2472
Valhalla FD - R9 - FAST - Car 2482
Millwood FD - R-36 - Cascade Car 2252
Chappaqua FD - E 146 - Car 2061, 2062
Batt 11
Armonk FD - E-287 to take up hydrant on Crest view and lay in for the TL operating
Relocate:
Potantico Hills FD: T-12 -Relocated, then requested to the scene, feeding TL-5
Sleepy Hollow FD: E-85 Relocated to PHFD
Briarcliff Manor FD: E-91 relocated PFD HQ
Mount Kisco FD: E-106 - relocated to Chappaqua
Weather Conditions: Cool and sunny
Description Of Incident:
13:28 - Dispatch for possible fire, caller sees house fire behind her house
13:31 - Re dispatch - MPPD relaying that DPW on scene with fully involved house
13:32 - Engine 91 enroute 10-75 transmitted
13:34 - Rescue 47 enroute
13:36 - 2371 ascertaining if anyone on scene yet - negative
13:37 - TL 5 enroute
13:38 - 2371 on scene establishing command - 2 story fully involved wood structure
13:39 - Coned electric and PVAC to the scene
13:57 - Command requesting tanker to the scene to feed the tower ladder - PHFD Tanker 12 enroute from PFD HQ
14:02 - Command updating 2.5 wood story 25x100, 4 hand lines in operation, fire throughout and through the roof, TL in operation as well, exterior operations, fire beginning to darken down
14:15 - Batt 11 requesting one Engine from Armonk to Scene - locate hydrant on Crestview before the scene to feed TL, one engine from Mt. Kisco to Stand by in Chappaqua
14:19 - Armonk HQ inquiring if request if for source pumper or attack engine
14:21 - Armonk toning out for Driver - E-287
14:25 - E-287 responding
14:26 - Batt 11 per command, 1 engine from Thornwood to the scene for manpower
14:27: CC1 - 4 hand lines, (inaudible), 1 Tower Ladder in operation, all hands working, structures integrity compromised.
13:32: Hawthorne to standby for Thornwood
14:35 - E-287 proceed up Heritage Dr, make a right on crestview, and hit the hydrant next to E-259
14:38 - 60-control advising CC1 operating time of 1 hour
14:39 - E-89 enroute
15:00 - CC1 - All visible fire is knocked down, checking for hot spots
photos: http://pleasantville...ulfed-in-flames
video: http://www.lohud.com/article/20120111/NEWS02/120111004/Pleasantville-home-engulfed-flames?odyssey=tab|topnews|text|Frontpage
Reporters:JohnnyOV, IzzyEng4, peterose313, Firedude
Writers: Johnny - has the can, so someone else take the - OV

Date: 1/11/12
Time:13:28
Location: 17 Heritage Dr
Frequency: 46.26, Fire 11, Fire ground 5
Units Operating:
Pleasantville FD: E-91, E-259, TL-5, R-47, T-57 - Car 2371,2372
Thornwood FD TL-1, E-89 for manpower - Car 2471, 2472
Valhalla FD - R9 - FAST - Car 2482
Millwood FD - R-36 - Cascade Car 2252
Chappaqua FD - E 146 - Car 2061, 2062
Batt 11
Armonk FD - E-287 to take up hydrant on Crest view and lay in for the TL operating
Relocate:
Potantico Hills FD: T-12 -Relocated, then requested to the scene, feeding TL-5
Sleepy Hollow FD: E-85 Relocated to PHFD
Briarcliff Manor FD: E-91 relocated PFD HQ
Mount Kisco FD: E-106 - relocated to Chappaqua
Weather Conditions: Cool and sunny
Description Of Incident:
13:28 - Dispatch for possible fire, caller sees house fire behind her house
13:31 - Re dispatch - MPPD relaying that DPW on scene with fully involved house
13:32 - Engine 91 enroute 10-75 transmitted
13:34 - Rescue 47 enroute
13:36 - 2371 ascertaining if anyone on scene yet - negative
13:37 - TL 5 enroute
13:38 - 2371 on scene establishing command - 2 story fully involved wood structure
13:39 - Coned electric and PVAC to the scene
13:57 - Command requesting tanker to the scene to feed the tower ladder - PHFD Tanker 12 enroute from PFD HQ
14:02 - Command updating 2.5 wood story 25x100, 4 hand lines in operation, fire throughout and through the roof, TL in operation as well, exterior operations, fire beginning to darken down
14:15 - Batt 11 requesting one Engine from Armonk to Scene - locate hydrant on Crestview before the scene to feed TL, one engine from Mt. Kisco to Stand by in Chappaqua
14:19 - Armonk HQ inquiring if request if for source pumper or attack engine
14:21 - Armonk toning out for Driver - E-287
14:25 - E-287 responding
14:26 - Batt 11 per command, 1 engine from Thornwood to the scene for manpower
14:27: CC1 - 4 hand lines, (inaudible), 1 Tower Ladder in operation, all hands working, structures integrity compromised.
13:32: Hawthorne to standby for Thornwood
14:35 - E-287 proceed up Heritage Dr, make a right on crestview, and hit the hydrant next to E-259
14:38 - 60-control advising CC1 operating time of 1 hour
14:39 - E-89 enroute
15:00 - CC1 - All visible fire is knocked down, checking for hot spots
photos: http://pleasantville...ulfed-in-flames
video: http://www.lohud.com/article/20120111/NEWS02/120111004/Pleasantville-home-engulfed-flames?odyssey=tab|topnews|text|Frontpage
Reporters:JohnnyOV, IzzyEng4, peterose313, Firedude
Writers: Johnny - has the can, so someone else take the - OV

Date: 1/11/12
Time:13:28
Location: 17 Heritage Dr
Frequency: 46.26, Fire 11, Fire ground 5
Units Operating:
Pleasantville FD: E-91, E-259, TL-5, R-47, T-57 - Car 2371,2372
Thornwood FD TL-1, E-89 for manpower - Car 2471, 2472
Valhalla FD - R9 - FAST - Car 2482
Millwood FD - R-36 - Cascade Car 2252
Chappaqua FD - E 146 - Car 2061, 2062
Batt 11
Armonk FD - E-287 to take up hydrant on Crest view and lay in for the TL operating
Relocate:
Potantico Hills FD: T-12 -Relocated, then requested to the scene, feeding TL-5
Sleepy Hollow FD: E-85 Relocated to PHFD
Briarcliff Manor FD: E-91 relocated PFD HQ
Mount Kisco FD: E-106 - relocated to Chappaqua
Weather Conditions: Cool and sunny
Description Of Incident:
13:28 - Dispatch for possible fire, caller sees house fire behind her house
13:31 - Re dispatch - MPPD relaying that DPW on scene with fully involved house
13:32 - Engine 91 enroute 10-75 transmitted
13:34 - Rescue 47 enroute
13:36 - 2371 ascertaining if anyone on scene yet - negative
13:37 - TL 5 enroute
13:38 - 2371 on scene establishing command - 2 story fully involved wood structure
13:39 - Coned electric and PVAC to the scene
13:57 - Command requesting tanker to the scene to feed the tower ladder - PHFD Tanker 12 enroute from PFD HQ
14:02 - Command updating 2.5 wood story 25x100, 4 hand lines in operation, fire throughout and through the roof, TL in operation as well, exterior operations, fire beginning to darken down
14:15 - Batt 11 requesting one Engine from Armonk to Scene - locate hydrant on Crestview before the scene to feed TL, one engine from Mt. Kisco to Stand by in Chappaqua
14:19 - Armonk HQ inquiring if request if for source pumper or attack engine
14:21 - Armonk toning out for Driver - E-287
14:25 - E-287 responding
14:26 - Batt 11 per command, 1 engine from Thornwood to the scene for manpower
14:27: CC1 - 4 hand lines, (inaudible), 1 Tower Ladder in operation, all hands working, structures integrity compromised.
13:32: Hawthorne to standby for Thornwood
14:35 - E-287 proceed up Heritage Dr, make a right on crestview, and hit the hydrant next to E-259
14:38 - 60-control advising CC1 operating time of 1 hour
14:39 - E-89 enroute
15:00 - CC1 - All visible fire is knocked down, checking for hot spots
photos: http://pleasantville...ulfed-in-flames
video: http://www.lohud.com/article/20120111/NEWS02/120111004/Pleasantville-home-engulfed-flames?odyssey=tab|topnews|text|Frontpage
Reporters:JohnnyOV, IzzyEng4, peterose313, Firedude
Writers: Johnny - has the can, so someone else take the - OV