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Yeah, I made a dumb response. I understand where the comment was going. My apologies.

Sounds like someone tried to get a job with MLSS, and was rejected...
Take your pot-stirring agenda and bring it elsewhere.

Sounds like someone tried to get a job with MLSS, and was rejected...
Take your pot-stirring agenda and bring it elsewhere.

Consolidating.....Saving Money....
No way. Someone pinch me.
And floorabove, the call volume may not dictate the utter necessity to hire, but two houses in a 5 sq. mi. district, and no response from the volunteer's at this station, good call by the Commissioners. Save some money.

This is a question that a large number of depts. do not want an answer to.
Their are 2 standards for the fire service for this: NFPA 1710 & 1720.
1710 says that career depts. shall have a turnout time of 60 seconds (average). That is from the time of the alarm notification until the vehicle is moving out of the station.
1720 says nothing about responding, other than once you get on-scene you must work in an organized fashion.
Medical standards are based on total response time and do not consider the pay status of the responders, because the patient outcome is based on treatment times & not if someone is paid for it.
The 1710 standard is easy, since its based on manned stations.
The reason 1720 is silent is because the range of volunteer communities is so great that there is no way to make a standard. In a busy VFD in a small suburban community, how long does it take for a crew to get to the station and suit up and get the rig out? Now compare that to an upstate farm community that covers a 100 sq miles.?
Also in the more rural communities the call volume is often so low, that you would have trouble justifying shift staffing.
I think the only way you can get standards for this is to require regions to publish what their standard I so that everyone can see I. If their was a list that says:
Dept A is 3 minutes
Dept B is 5 minutes &
Dept C is 25 minutes,
We now have something to work on, and the community should be told, so they know.
1st step in solving a problem is acknowledging that their is a problem.

Consolidating.....Saving Money....
No way. Someone pinch me.
And floorabove, the call volume may not dictate the utter necessity to hire, but two houses in a 5 sq. mi. district, and no response from the volunteer's at this station, good call by the Commissioners. Save some money.

To hire "Competent" Individuals who actually care about the Job!

Proper staffing for every response in every community

And in other news, the sun rose in the east today. Wow, somebody is taking an EMT class. Mighty impressive accomplishment.

Wait, you mean a department didn't want to send a company into a city that they don't normally operate in without ensuring there was a command level officer present? I for one am both shocked AND appauled at this display of professional responsibility.
I'm sure if Yonkers had an issue with this they'd stop calling these departments for mutual aid...

A well known/respected member of YFD posted here what they dispatch and what policy is and additional posters AFTER that post, write "I think" this is how YFD operates. right or wrong, its not needed.
Can we try to read the post 1st, before posting. Thank you.

Not to start a fight, I train as many vol ff's as I do career, BUT these statements by you fellows are why the career side pushes so hard for equality in training, to call yourself a firefighter, officer or chief. Look whats happening, A officer wants to change things for the better, and he is voted out. The fire service is in a lot of trouble, it is time to wake up.

Moose,
I empathize with you completely as I was recently placed in a similar situation. I am a 10 year member (joined at 16 years old) of a Westchester County fire department. I have served as an officer for the past 6 years as Rescue Company Lieutenant for 1 year, Rescue Company Captain for 2 years, Engine Company Lieutenant for 1 year, and Captain of the department for 2 years. Additionally, I have taken pride in being well trained and hold certificates for Firefighter 1, Firefigher 2, Firefigher Survival, Rescue Tech Basic, NYS/CT EMT, HAZ-MAT Operations, Truck Company Ops, Firefighter Assist and Search Teams, Introduction to Fire Officer, Fire Officer 1, Emergency Vehicle Operations Course, Emergency Vehicle Operator-Pump, and various Westchester County/Seminar Certifications. Outside of my Emergency Services Career, I have a college degree from a very prestigious Liberal Arts College and am in the process of getting a Masters in Business Administration from an acclaimed NYC University. In my professional career I am an executive for a Fortune 500 company in New York City.
In this past election, I was squeezed out of the line of Officers when an Ex-Chief decided to go around again (lost by 1 vote). At that time, I determined that I no longer wanted to be a part of that organiation and have been to the firehouse for 4 calls (all possible structure fires/entrapments) since the end of my term in may. I have not attended a single drill or meeting. I have drafted my letter of resignation and will submit it next month at our monthly meeting. It was my belief that the values of the organization of which I was a part was no longer consistent with my vision of what an emergency services organization should be and that I no longer wanted to be a part of it. With all due respect, it sounds like you should count your losses as well. Do you really want to be part of a fire department that allows individuals to occupy the rank of Captain with no formal training? Now that you are no longer Chief will you have faith that those individuals are making educated decisions that will ensure your safety on the fireground? Are the members of your organization operating in the best interest of the taxpayers who they serve? It sounds like they would be better trained if they actually cared about the lives of the people who they were responsible for protecting.
I will never join another emergency services organization unless I feel that they take pride in best serving the members of the community and ensure that they are "professionally staffed by volunteers." As for now, my career is over until I find an organization that takes pride in being able to fight fire, doesn't b**** when its time to perform a vigorous, physical drill, and spends less time worrying about attending parades, selling Christmas trees, or having barbecues. In my opinion, the volunteer fire service is somewhat lost and needs a reminder of the true, original goals and ideals on which the system was founded.

IMO, this thing is nothing more than some people in the volunteer fire service creating a problem where a problem doesn't actually exist.

He is their boss, he is ultimately responsible for the work they get PAID to do. They have a JOB to do, and that comes before volunteering at an organization. I can't tell my private employer that I want to be paid to go fight fires. That would be considered walking out of your JOB.
I mean hell, if people are going to go on calls while on the clock for the town, why not just PAY them to BE FIREFIGHTERS, not water/highway/parks workers.

He is their boss, he is ultimately responsible for the work they get PAID to do. They have a JOB to do, and that comes before volunteering at an organization. I can't tell my private employer that I want to be paid to go fight fires. That would be considered walking out of your JOB.
I mean hell, if people are going to go on calls while on the clock for the town, why not just PAY them to BE FIREFIGHTERS, not water/highway/parks workers.

He is their boss, he is ultimately responsible for the work they get PAID to do. They have a JOB to do, and that comes before volunteering at an organization. I can't tell my private employer that I want to be paid to go fight fires. That would be considered walking out of your JOB.
I mean hell, if people are going to go on calls while on the clock for the town, why not just PAY them to BE FIREFIGHTERS, not water/highway/parks workers.

He is their boss, he is ultimately responsible for the work they get PAID to do. They have a JOB to do, and that comes before volunteering at an organization. I can't tell my private employer that I want to be paid to go fight fires. That would be considered walking out of your JOB.
I mean hell, if people are going to go on calls while on the clock for the town, why not just PAY them to BE FIREFIGHTERS, not water/highway/parks workers.

He is their boss, he is ultimately responsible for the work they get PAID to do. They have a JOB to do, and that comes before volunteering at an organization. I can't tell my private employer that I want to be paid to go fight fires. That would be considered walking out of your JOB.
I mean hell, if people are going to go on calls while on the clock for the town, why not just PAY them to BE FIREFIGHTERS, not water/highway/parks workers.

He is their boss, he is ultimately responsible for the work they get PAID to do. They have a JOB to do, and that comes before volunteering at an organization. I can't tell my private employer that I want to be paid to go fight fires. That would be considered walking out of your JOB.
I mean hell, if people are going to go on calls while on the clock for the town, why not just PAY them to BE FIREFIGHTERS, not water/highway/parks workers.

He is their boss, he is ultimately responsible for the work they get PAID to do. They have a JOB to do, and that comes before volunteering at an organization. I can't tell my private employer that I want to be paid to go fight fires. That would be considered walking out of your JOB.
I mean hell, if people are going to go on calls while on the clock for the town, why not just PAY them to BE FIREFIGHTERS, not water/highway/parks workers.

He is their boss, he is ultimately responsible for the work they get PAID to do. They have a JOB to do, and that comes before volunteering at an organization. I can't tell my private employer that I want to be paid to go fight fires. That would be considered walking out of your JOB.
I mean hell, if people are going to go on calls while on the clock for the town, why not just PAY them to BE FIREFIGHTERS, not water/highway/parks workers.

He is their boss, he is ultimately responsible for the work they get PAID to do. They have a JOB to do, and that comes before volunteering at an organization. I can't tell my private employer that I want to be paid to go fight fires. That would be considered walking out of your JOB.
I mean hell, if people are going to go on calls while on the clock for the town, why not just PAY them to BE FIREFIGHTERS, not water/highway/parks workers.

Umm. Never...
The very first thing I do when walking into the facility, with my partner is go to the Nurses Station, get the paperwork, and have them page the nurse. After seeing the discharge paperwork(if everything looks straightforward and there are no ISO precautions, etc.), the person driving that day goes and makes pt contact, and the tech starts the paperwork while waiting for the nurse. Seeing the paperwork before seeing the nurse allows you to get a report from the nurse, AND ask questions if there is anything you don't understand.
If your answer is "we all do it jobs are backing up ", remember:
-If the transport goes bad, it's your fault
-If the paperwork is messed up, it's your fault
-If you did something you weren't supposed to do(pt movement, etc.), it's your fault
Patient care first, then let dispatch yell at you for being too slow.
And I work for a company that we do 6-7 jobs a tour, and they expect us to be in and out of a facility in 20 minutes from on-scene to en-route. We make it work.

Why would the Somers BOC vote on dispatch for the International Space Station?