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So they were volunteer FF's. That answers a question earlier in this thread and eliminates the issue of them not "being qualified".
If they were from DPW or the town or village or any other employer we'd expect them to drop their regular duties and respond as a volunteer FF. But because they were troopers we criticize them.
No place is better at making this hypocrisy more obvious than EMTBravo.
Interesting perspective. I guess you're right. Nobody should lift a finger to help their community and if a volunteer FD can't muster an appropriate response, they should immediately be shut down and replaced with career FF no matter the cost, no matter what.
Very narrow minded position you have!

I didn't see anything in any above post that was insulting or telling Fairview how to proceed. What has you set off exactly?

All I can say is, watch for what anyone wishes or knows will be the best. The only thing that would be the best in Dutchess County is the Consolidation of ALL FIRE AND EMS into 1 (One) Countywide Fire & EMS Department...
To those who think they know so much about this specific report and it's findings, that are not even released or known by the department it involves yet, you know nothing about it and basically should
"KEEP YOUR BIG PIE HOLES SHUT", give the respect of waiting for the report and it's finding to come out at the March 22, 2012, 7pm press release being made at the Town of Poughkeepsie Town Hall on Overrocker Road.
Thanks for understanding this delicate situation, as it will not only affect the department involved, but it's neighbors and could and should very well lead to what I stated before "COUNTYWIDE FIRE & EMS", since every single department in the county could and would benefit from it then..

We idolized and memorialized Whitney Houston, yet looked the other way concerning her well known substance abuse and tumultuous life with singer Bobby Brown.
Charlie Sheen is 45 and his story is all over the news because he is a
substance abuser, an adulterer, sexually promiscuous and obnoxious.
Lindsay Lohan is 24 and her story is all over the news because she is a
celebrity drug addict and thief.
Something as frivolous as Kim Kardashian's stupid wedding [and
short-lived marriage] was shoved down our throats, While........
Justin Allen 23
Brett Linley 29
Matthew Weikert 29
Justus Bartett 27
Dave Santos 21
Jesse Reed 26
Matthew Johnson 21
Zachary Fisher 24
Brandon King 23
Christopher Goeke 23
and Sheldon Tate 27...
Are all Marines who gave their lives last month for you. There is no
media for them; not even a mention of their names.
Young Men who most likely came from rural America seeking a chance
to better themselves and to serve this county.
Rest In Peace, and THANK YOU,TROOPS.
This was an email i got and wanted to share it

Your best bet is to contact SCOTT and ask them what they recommend. It shouldn't be a huge issue as long as the fabric is not brittle...I've used ones like this on packs at a busy training center with constant live burn and all the straps were like that...which for us the fabric was ok...it was the dye that used to make it black that turned colors. Better the strap then your turnout gear...which when that happened the manufacturer had me bring it to one of their sales reps who inspected it did some "tests" which I didn't get to see and they told me it was just the dye turned colors...and gave me the keep an eye on the fabric speech.
Also if its been stored for 5 years...I'm guessing the cylinder(s) need hydro. You need to have that pack serviced as well and flow tested...have them look at the strap and/or replace it while its there anyway.

Ahh, another young inexperienced guy who only thinks inside Westchester County, as if thats the only county there is...Think outside the box before you make blanket statements like that.
I have been involved in pre-plans in every volunteer department I belonged to, even my current one who only has residential and rural areas, we pre-planned our only two sites in our area including a repair garage and an under ground natural gas pipeline pumping facility. As a Captain, I take our crews out on drill nights in the rescue and we drive to a house, and I have them tell me everything about it including construction type, exposure issues, water supplies in the area and other details. This is always a big hit on drill nights and it works.
Not every department is the same, each one is different and has their own strengths and weaknesses.

People need to learn the difference between "icons" & "Heroes"

I think the simple fact is that anyone in emergency services, whether you want to be or not, is a representative of his/her agency. Conduct that is unprofessional and immature not only makes you look foolish, but reflects negatively upon your agency and the emergency service community as a whole. An individual who is a Chief or other supervisory figure in his/her agency should absolutely be held to a higher standard, since they are expected to be the utmost professional and possess the qualities of a mature and professional leader. When I see individuals exhibiting childish and unprofessional behavior, it makes me second guess their abilities as a leader. We dont have to act like professional robots all of the time; we are all human. But unprofessional conduct when it applies to situations involving conflict resolution, or improper conduct that can be viewed by the public or those outside our little world, is inexcusable if you want to be taken seriously as a competent leader.

I think it should go one further, and be ANY firematic officer (or line officer of any similar organization, PD, FD, EMS). There are so many people these days that get squashed by their organization for posting on websites such as this, then there are some where the upper echelon/brass posts something that if it was one of their members, would most likely bring retaliatory action.
Final thought, all members should uphold such a behavior, because, what makes any one single person better than anyone else?

Date: January 30, 2012<BR>Time: approximately 14:22<BR>Location: 33 Lincoln Terrace, cross street Glenwood Ave<BR>Frequency: YFD, YPD, Empress EMS, Con Ed<BR>Units Operating: Initial Assignment: Engines 303, 308, 309, Ladders 71, 72, Rescue 1, Battalions 1 and 2 (SOFR)<BR>Weather Conditions: clear, cool<BR>Description Of Incident: Initially dispatched as outside smoke investigation, determined to be structure fire.<BR>Reporters: helicopper, peterose313, FF1, sfrd18<BR>Writer: helicopper<BR><BR>E303 in area reporting smoke showing, attempting to locate source, probable 10-29 (working fire)<BR><BR>Yonkers dispatch reports calls now from area of Lincoln Terrace.<BR><BR>E303 on scene with structure fire. <BR><BR>Battalion 1 on scene, 10-30. Fourth engine FAST, 5th engine to replace 4th. E310 (FAST), E312 5th engine.<BR><BR>1440 - Second alarm: E306, 304, L75. Per Car 2 stage on Warburton Avenue. <BR><BR>1445 - Car 4 now IC. Primary searches underway, residents being pulled from building. All hands operating, heavy fire on 3rd floor and cockloft. Fire building is 3 story OMD, appx 50x75. Exposures: 1 the street, 2 3-story frame, 3 vacant lot, 4 a 2 story frame w/ 25 foot separation. All 2nd alarm companies to report to front of building with masks and hooks. <BR><BR>Concurrent assignment - E314 and L70 investigating electrical condition. Yonkers down to 3 engines and 2 trucks citywide. <BR><BR>1455 - 3rd Alarm: E307, 313 L74 <BR><BR>1456 - Car 3 orders immediate evacuation of building. Starting master stream operations. 1528 - Progress report from Car 4. Master stream operations underway. Making progress ATT. <BR><BR>1600 - E317 in service, relocating to Station 9. 1607 - All companies still working. Heavy fire on sides 3/4 all floors. Multiple master streams, handlines and exposure lines operating. All companies still working. 1610 - L78 in service, operating from Station 9. <BR><BR>1623 - Car 4 requests Squad 11 and L73 to scene. Yonkers reports L70 replacing 73. Relocations include 1 E from Mt Vernon, 1 E from Greenville, 1 L from New Rochelle and recalled companies 317 and 78. <BR><BR>1710 - Exterior master stream operations continue, main body of fire knocked down.

We have a saying at the airport: "Complacency is Security's Worst Nightmare." The same goes on the fire ground, and I can't agree more with this picture. When we have drills at the airport I shout for everyone to "dance" when I hear a PASS starting to go off. Like everyone has been saying, "Training, training, training!"

Its not that they are obsolete, the problem is that the general fire service has become complacent.

What is an unconcientous person? Unconscientious as in not guided by their conscience? Maybe that's why they ended up a victim in the first place.

What's the difference between God and a Fire Chief?
God does not think he is a Fire Chief.

Date: 1/7/2012

Time: 0111
Location: Odell Ave b/t North Broadway and Warburton Avenue adjacent to the Garden Apts.

Frequency:
046.50 Yonkers Fire (F1 - Dispatch)
484.71250 Yonkers Fire (Operations)
046.26 Yonkers Fire (F2 - Westchester County 60 Control)
Units Operating: [Yonkers FD: Battalion 1, Battalion 2, Car 3, Car 7, Squad 11, Engine 303, Engine 304 (Safety team), Engine 306, Engine 307 (FAST Team), Engine 308, Engine 309, Engine 313, Engine 314, Rescue 1, Tower Ladder 71, Ladder 72, Ladder 73, MSU 1]
Units On Standby At Station 1: [New Rochelle FD: Car 2303, Ladder 12, Engine 23]
Units On Standby At Yonkers Station 12: [Mt. Vernon FD: Engine 4] [Greenville: Engine ? ]

Weather Conditions: Clear, Cool

Description Of Incident: Fully involved 2 story vacant residential set back from street with large brush.
0111 Report of fire coming from 1155 Warburton Ave. PD on Warburton reporting fire is possibly in the aqueduct
0115 L-72 confirms a structure fire but is on Odell Avenue, not Warburton. Units will have to go over the curb to get to the aqueduct. Engine 309 on scene and calls for the 10-29 (working fire) for the building north of Odell. 1st alarm consists of E-309, 308, 310, 303; L-72, 75; R-1
0120 Battalion command requesting 2nd alarm. Reports of fire in 2 story vacant with a large brush fire heading up the hill on north broadway. Engine companies are to bring in water from Odell.
0125 hrs - Battalion 1: requesting 2 additional engines. Yonkers dispatches Engine 304 as Safety Team and Engine 307 as FAST
0140 Yonkers dispatch receiving multiple reports of brush fires north and south of the aqueduct. Battalion 2 confirms there are and are in the process of stretching lines to get to them.
0145 Battalion 1: requesting another truck company and add a third alarm for manpower. Engine 23, Ladder 12, Battalion 18 to relocate to Yonkers fire Station 1 per 60 control
0147 Car 3 cancelling ladder company and waiting for mutual aid to come into the city.
0157 There's several large brush fires in the area. Car 3 wants units to work on the brush fire once mutual aid gets into the city and after that he wants at least 3 engines and 1 ladder covering the rest of the city.
0200 Car 7: 2 more engines coming in for mutual aid. 1 engine from Mt. Vernon and 1 from Greenville to standby at Station 12
0215 Car 3: Fire is darkening down and there's 1 ladder line and hand line still in operation for the structure/brush fires. Yonkers can release Squad 11, Engine 304 and 306.
0241 Ladder 12, 2303 released and back in the city. Car 3: fire is under control but everyone is still working on the house and brush fires
0243 Engine 23 back in the city
0244 Car 3: dispatch 1 additional engine to the scene to go to north broadway and down to odell to the fire scene. They can walk in and don't need tools or masks. Rescue 1 will be released shortly.
0248 Rescue 1 being released
0249 Tower Ladder 71 being released
0251 Engine 314 responding to the scene
0332 Yonkers: Ladder 73 respond to odell avenue between north broadway and warburton avenue
0340 Battalion 1: Major collapse of structure, 2 lines operating. Continuing extensive overhauling. Battalion 2 is working on the brush fire.
0341 Ladder 73 responding as close to scene as possible via Battalion 1. Negative on tools or masks.
0345 Battalion 1: 1 injured member from Engine 309 being transported
0348 Yonkers Engine 313 respond for manpower. Pull up behind Engine 308. No equipment needed.
0356 Battalion 1: Ladder 72 returning to quarters, Ladder 73 being used as rig. 2nd injury - 1 ff from Engine 310 being transported.
Lohud Article
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Reporters:
Writer:peterose313
pm me if you have any more info, I don't know which Greenville engine was dispatched

Friends don't let friends post/text tired, drunk or angry...

I think you are right, some people SHOULD get a grip. I merely stated facts, you sir, read too far into it.

Everything is fine! Stop playing word games by describing it word for word Nathan! Company is great success, yes?

Also be careful what you post on here. There are PLENTY of FDNY persons that are members, and you never know who it is, or who knows who.

Also be careful what you post on here. There are PLENTY of FDNY persons that are members, and you never know who it is, or who knows who.

Also be careful what you post on here. There are PLENTY of FDNY persons that are members, and you never know who it is, or who knows who.

How about the irony of efforts to stop it only made it stronger. Maybe legalize the real stuff, regulate it, and tax it so we can move on to real problems.

60 Control to Engine __ & Ambulance ___: Respond to a difficulty breather at the Demonic Nursing Home.
60 Control to Engine __ & Ambulance ___: Correction Dumont Nursing Home
Ambulance ___ to 60 Control: You got it correct the 1st time.

From a volunteer view, If I have "the time" to run out for a AFA that could be a fire I most likely don't have the time to then to sit and train. If I am an employer letting a worker run out for a legitimate call I don't want the person to then say well since I'm out I might as well train. If it's not an emergency then I should be back at work or at home with family I don't have much time to see.
Set a drill up and I'll show up, where I am able to make the time for that event. If I'm the home owner / business I don't want you climbing roofs ect if it's not necessary. Think of the possible damage and the fact that an apparatus sitting out side of the business does not look good to customers.

It's an interesting situation and I applaud them for taking a stand. Many many many jobs use OT to avoid hiring and this reinforces the fact that they're understaffed. They've laid off members and filled their shifts with OT. Now the refusal of OT points out two things - they need more people and OT can't be relied upon to guarantee coverage.
It's not about their pay or the desire/need for OT. It's about standing together and trying to improve working conditions, an act seldom seen in the EMS community where we happily step over the still warm body of our brethren to take their shift or fill a position. There is little if any solidarity in EMS.