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The Horses s*** in the Station cause the Truckies never left quarters and the only time they shut the door after the Engine goes out for EMS is if it's before 11pm! It's all good though buddy!

Where's the one about why Trucks are dispatched to the highway with the Engine? We are there to block the road for the Engine, just like traffic cones we are dispensable.
Who closes the door when you leave on another EMS call? Who finishes the meal when you go out for a tummy ache? The truck has been taking care of the engine since horses pooped in firehouses!!!

Where's the one about why Trucks are dispatched to the highway with the Engine? We are there to block the road for the Engine, just like traffic cones we are dispensable.
Who closes the door when you leave on another EMS call? Who finishes the meal when you go out for a tummy ache? The truck has been taking care of the engine since horses pooped in firehouses!!!

Sorry Brother but I have to take exception to this post. While covering both Engine and Truck Companies for close to 30yrs I must say "Truckies" truly are nothing but a Fireman's Helper. Your still Loved though! I'm always concerned for my Brother "Ladderman" about the inside stream striking them on the outside when they're taking windows! No seriously you Truckies are awesome you always have fresh cold bottles of water for us Engine Grunts when we come out for a "Blow" and a spare bottle waiting for us. "Tally Ho" Bro!

Your killing me here Moose! I said I was done and you pulled me back in!Your second sentence says it all. I like to think that most of the topics I post will and should be thought about and deciphered. Almost like the 24 hour rule replying to some touchy email received. Step back, read, re-read and think. It just amazes me that one person who is in a supervisory role here thinks that (A) I along with all FD members dislike cops. Absurd and totally out of line. ( B ) it is ok to be DISPATCHED to a call that you are not trained or suited for. I too am in a supervisory role and have had plenty of discussions with my superiors over calls I do not feel my men were prepared for. I know when I accepted the promotion that I also accepted the fact that I will do what it takes to return my Brothers home the next morning the same way they showed up the morning before.
Our Job as well as I would say the majority of FD's have written SOP's for all calls we respond to. Why do we have written SOP's? The FD works as a team to mitigate any and all calls we respond to. Wether you are first due truck ( forcible entry, fire floor and OV ) to second truck ( forcible entry, floor above and coordinated ventilation for the engines ) first engine ( line placement ) second engine ( water source, backup first line ) third engine ( second handline to back up ) and so on down the line.
What could a PD SOP dictate for the first due officer to a job? Do they even have an SOP or are they flying by the seat of their pants? I mean really? Do you honestly believe we are "attacking " the law enforcement community here?

Wow have you guys clearly misunderstood the intentions of the story. I for one have no personal problem with any law enforcement agency or specific law enforcement officer. I have countless friends who are cops in just about every agency in our local area. When you guys jump all over the "FD hates PD " bandwagon it is time to look in the mirror and ask yourself WT heck. The bottom line of my posting was to have the people who put themselves and others in harms way when they are not suited to maybe step back a little and think. I really don't give a rats behind about the ones who defend these types of actions. There will never be any type of incident that will change their minds. It must be the capes that are handed out at graduation. It's the ones I will never read about that the message sunk in. Just because the public hates cops does not mean that fire personel does as well. Pathetic!!!!

No worries. I now know that this picture taken is not you.

In a city the size and make up of New Rochelle there is plenty of POLICE work for cops to do supposedly, maybe they should stick to that since it is what the taxpayers are paying for. If they are looking to help at a fire scene, concentrate on clearing all the illegally parked cars out of the way so we can place our rigs where they belong. They can also assist with crowd control and helping the people that self evacuated since they have been thru a pretty traumatic experience. It would be a terrible thing for a P.O. to suffer any injury acting outside of his scope, and they dont need to breathe that crap in, they have enough hazards doing their job.

Wow have you guys clearly misunderstood the intentions of the story. I for one have no personal problem with any law enforcement agency or specific law enforcement officer. I have countless friends who are cops in just about every agency in our local area. When you guys jump all over the "FD hates PD " bandwagon it is time to look in the mirror and ask yourself WT heck. The bottom line of my posting was to have the people who put themselves and others in harms way when they are not suited to maybe step back a little and think. I really don't give a rats behind about the ones who defend these types of actions. There will never be any type of incident that will change their minds. It must be the capes that are handed out at graduation. It's the ones I will never read about that the message sunk in. Just because the public hates cops does not mean that fire personel does as well. Pathetic!!!!

If your info is correct then you would have been walking down those hallways in elementary school when I was crawling down the ones on fire. Sorry for the mistake

Your killing me here Moose! I said I was done and you pulled me back in!Your second sentence says it all. I like to think that most of the topics I post will and should be thought about and deciphered. Almost like the 24 hour rule replying to some touchy email received. Step back, read, re-read and think. It just amazes me that one person who is in a supervisory role here thinks that (A) I along with all FD members dislike cops. Absurd and totally out of line. ( B ) it is ok to be DISPATCHED to a call that you are not trained or suited for. I too am in a supervisory role and have had plenty of discussions with my superiors over calls I do not feel my men were prepared for. I know when I accepted the promotion that I also accepted the fact that I will do what it takes to return my Brothers home the next morning the same way they showed up the morning before.
Our Job as well as I would say the majority of FD's have written SOP's for all calls we respond to. Why do we have written SOP's? The FD works as a team to mitigate any and all calls we respond to. Wether you are first due truck ( forcible entry, fire floor and OV ) to second truck ( forcible entry, floor above and coordinated ventilation for the engines ) first engine ( line placement ) second engine ( water source, backup first line ) third engine ( second handline to back up ) and so on down the line.
What could a PD SOP dictate for the first due officer to a job? Do they even have an SOP or are they flying by the seat of their pants? I mean really? Do you honestly believe we are "attacking " the law enforcement community here?

First off I can't believe you would rate my content and knowledge based on what my affiliation title says. How about almost 20 years in the second busiest FD in Westchester. 6 years as a fire officer. Assigned to all 3 truck companies in my city where the real men do work over the last 18 years. ( sorry engine brothers ) I was probably crawling down hallways while you were walking down hallways in junior high school.
It also says I'm 99 years old, do you think that is real?

This is all I see here so this will be my last post. See you on the fire floor or the floor above where the real men work!!!

Are we not trained in risk vs reward? If a cop is dispatched to a rural part of the county and knows FD is quite a distance away then he/she must decide the risk vs reward. If a cop is dispatched to a job in a city jurisdiction and knows full well that FD is right behind them then that too is a risk vs reward decision. At the end of the day it is up to our training which includes risk vs reward and not just fire ops or police ops to base our decisions. I know my company and the Brothers who I work with will get the best decision I can make at that moment and that's all I can promise.

Do you really think the dispatch should sound like this? Sector 9 Sector 11 respond to a reported structure fire at 234 maryjane lane FD has been notified. We all know PD will respond to a call much faster than FD. Fact of life and non disputable. Yes we are all in it to help. I would also think that those of us who have made a legit rescue ( i do have a class 2 from my job ) don't consider themselves a hero. As a matter of fact at the job i was awarded the medal from I avoided the press like the plague. Thats not why I do it and I would like to think it's not why 95% of this forum does it. Do you really want to put yourself in a position to which you are not trained and be remembered as a hero? Do we really need to pull up to a job and have to pull 2 cops out first before the people that occupied the home. You can bet your last paycheck it will be the cop I'm grabbing before the civilian. We can't do it all and the uniform comes first. I just can't believe that professional people on this forum have their heads buried this deep in the sand. They did not drive past this call, they were dispatched to it.

Wow have you guys clearly misunderstood the intentions of the story. I for one have no personal problem with any law enforcement agency or specific law enforcement officer. I have countless friends who are cops in just about every agency in our local area. When you guys jump all over the "FD hates PD " bandwagon it is time to look in the mirror and ask yourself WT heck. The bottom line of my posting was to have the people who put themselves and others in harms way when they are not suited to maybe step back a little and think. I really don't give a rats behind about the ones who defend these types of actions. There will never be any type of incident that will change their minds. It must be the capes that are handed out at graduation. It's the ones I will never read about that the message sunk in. Just because the public hates cops does not mean that fire personel does as well. Pathetic!!!!

So new Rochelle catches a job in the projects last night and this is the outcome. Just found this on another site and copied and pasted it. I can tell you for sure that when my company responds to a EDP or suicide attempt or some other dangerous call and PD advises to wait until scene is secure before entry I do just that. I have also been on location first before the arrival of PD and stood fast and waited. I do not know if the person I am responding to is injured or dead and I really don't care at that point. I do know that my guys won't end up injured or dead by my stupid decision to enter a scene I can't control. Do FD's really need to get on the air to advise PD to stand by until scene is safe or should they be grown ups and realize it's out of their hands? Do these officers really need to be on the fire floor? Maybe we should wait for the bagpipes to decide.
Two New Rochelle Police Officers Injured In Fire
By James O'Toole on Mon, 06/24/2013 - 04:41
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A Sunday evening fire at 590 Fifth avenue sent two New Rochelle Police officers to Sound Shore Medical center for treatment.There injuries are not serious according to fire department radio reports.
The fire broke out in a fifth floor apartment that was not occupied at the time of the fire.The fire was contained to one apartment. Some other apartments got smoke damage and water damage.Most people returned to there apartments after the fire department gave the all clear

The title of this thread is "Hero or Potential Victim." In my opinion, if there is a hero, there has to be a potential victim. There has to be an extreme danger that a hero must risk to save a life. But also, a hero must be aware of this danger and understand that there is a potential of him being severely injured before he can be called a hero. A person who is oblivious to the danger to himself is not a hero. He simply "lucked out."
Those of us who have badges and wear uniforms are expected to be heroes by the public. They believe that it is our job. It is not. Read the oath we took. It says we must uphold the Constitution, obey the department's Rules and Regs, follow orders and so on. We never took an oath that says we must put ourselves in danger or risk our lives to make a rescue. We do that because of who we are within ourselves
Not all cops and firefighters are heroes. There are many slackers out there. I think, on the other hand, that among the people on our jobs , the majority are potential heroes. The just haven't been faced with the rare situation that a moral decision has to be made that will differentiate the man from the hero. The same can be said of people who are not in emergency services.
That being said, think about this:
If a Firefighter enters a burning house and makes a rescue just inside the front door he is said to be a hero.
If a Firefighter makes a complete search of the same burning house and the search turns up no one, he was just doing his job.

I have been to scenes where fellow cops got off on the fire floor to a hallway fully involved. I try to tell some these guys why go in to a fire when FD is right behind us. As I have stated in another topic I'm not going into a fire or CO or gas alarm. That's what FD is for. If I worked in a rural area maybe I would have a different outlook. On the other hand I have been off duty after a shift and driving on the highway and pulled up to (all separate incidents) - overturned MVA, another was a overturn and ejection and another hitting the jersey barrier. All after midnight. I stopped did what I had to do until trooper, EMS and FD came. Called them all in. I also call it luck as I was mins behind the accidents and wasnt involved or having to swerve. It all depends

Wow have you guys clearly misunderstood the intentions of the story. I for one have no personal problem with any law enforcement agency or specific law enforcement officer. I have countless friends who are cops in just about every agency in our local area. When you guys jump all over the "FD hates PD " bandwagon it is time to look in the mirror and ask yourself WT heck. The bottom line of my posting was to have the people who put themselves and others in harms way when they are not suited to maybe step back a little and think. I really don't give a rats behind about the ones who defend these types of actions. There will never be any type of incident that will change their minds. It must be the capes that are handed out at graduation. It's the ones I will never read about that the message sunk in. Just because the public hates cops does not mean that fire personel does as well. Pathetic!!!!

So new Rochelle catches a job in the projects last night and this is the outcome. Just found this on another site and copied and pasted it. I can tell you for sure that when my company responds to a EDP or suicide attempt or some other dangerous call and PD advises to wait until scene is secure before entry I do just that. I have also been on location first before the arrival of PD and stood fast and waited. I do not know if the person I am responding to is injured or dead and I really don't care at that point. I do know that my guys won't end up injured or dead by my stupid decision to enter a scene I can't control. Do FD's really need to get on the air to advise PD to stand by until scene is safe or should they be grown ups and realize it's out of their hands? Do these officers really need to be on the fire floor? Maybe we should wait for the bagpipes to decide.
Two New Rochelle Police Officers Injured In Fire
By James O'Toole on Mon, 06/24/2013 - 04:41
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A Sunday evening fire at 590 Fifth avenue sent two New Rochelle Police officers to Sound Shore Medical center for treatment.There injuries are not serious according to fire department radio reports.
The fire broke out in a fifth floor apartment that was not occupied at the time of the fire.The fire was contained to one apartment. Some other apartments got smoke damage and water damage.Most people returned to there apartments after the fire department gave the all clear

I'm sure these firefighters didn't consider themselves heros. Just another tour!!

Were they ESU?

Wow have you guys clearly misunderstood the intentions of the story. I for one have no personal problem with any law enforcement agency or specific law enforcement officer. I have countless friends who are cops in just about every agency in our local area. When you guys jump all over the "FD hates PD " bandwagon it is time to look in the mirror and ask yourself WT heck. The bottom line of my posting was to have the people who put themselves and others in harms way when they are not suited to maybe step back a little and think. I really don't give a rats behind about the ones who defend these types of actions. There will never be any type of incident that will change their minds. It must be the capes that are handed out at graduation. It's the ones I will never read about that the message sunk in. Just because the public hates cops does not mean that fire personel does as well. Pathetic!!!!

So new Rochelle catches a job in the projects last night and this is the outcome. Just found this on another site and copied and pasted it. I can tell you for sure that when my company responds to a EDP or suicide attempt or some other dangerous call and PD advises to wait until scene is secure before entry I do just that. I have also been on location first before the arrival of PD and stood fast and waited. I do not know if the person I am responding to is injured or dead and I really don't care at that point. I do know that my guys won't end up injured or dead by my stupid decision to enter a scene I can't control. Do FD's really need to get on the air to advise PD to stand by until scene is safe or should they be grown ups and realize it's out of their hands? Do these officers really need to be on the fire floor? Maybe we should wait for the bagpipes to decide.
Two New Rochelle Police Officers Injured In Fire
By James O'Toole on Mon, 06/24/2013 - 04:41
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A Sunday evening fire at 590 Fifth avenue sent two New Rochelle Police officers to Sound Shore Medical center for treatment.There injuries are not serious according to fire department radio reports.
The fire broke out in a fifth floor apartment that was not occupied at the time of the fire.The fire was contained to one apartment. Some other apartments got smoke damage and water damage.Most people returned to there apartments after the fire department gave the all clear