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This sounds like a drug rip gone bad.
The story was good up to the part where I started reading the comments and then I remembered how friggen stupid a large portion of the population is.
It's amazing that people on there are trying to make excuses for this criminal and his behavior and some of them are actually blaming the police.
It's incredibly frustrating to see how backward people's thoughts and ideas about us are.

It will be interesting and fact that it is from the same producer as the "Law and Order" franchise can't hurt. It looks like it will portray the firefighting, technical rescue, and EMS aspects although how accurately remains to be seen. Some of the fire sequences look an awful lot like "a certain movie" about the Chicago F.D. from a few years back. I assume the Squad is a Heavy Rescue/Special Operations company? Some of the stars look a little too "perfect" but that is the case with any profession that is portrayed in TV and movies. Most of the recent shows about the fire and EMS services have been disappointing, even Rescue Me became very outlandish in the later seasons. I would like to see something more along the lines of "Blue Bloods" or "NYPD Blue".
Phil

To all who have and want to go back to Dead Dog Saloon, heres a *little* update...http://www.deaddogsaloon.com/2012/05/grand-opening-thursday-may-17/

Sorry I can't show you. It will break the photo policy. The photo was taken in 1948 6 years before I was born. The man who took the photo is dead and can not say that I have his permission to use it even that I have. His family gave me all of his work because they knew I would take care of them. I have hundreds of these but will not be able to share anymore.

Instead of that rescue , one for Tanker 10eng that I [me] took last fall !

Why would/should they? This is nothing more than the annual scare tactic from bloomturd. Every year its close 20 houses and every year the money is found else where and no houses close. It been like that for at least 4 years now. Second, your saying that each truck company should be 33% less effective at their job, putting firefighter and civilian lives at risk? For what reason? To prevent the non-happening closure of 20 houses? One of the hallmarks of the FDNY and the reason why NYC has among the lowest fire deaths, property loss and fire department services tax per capita in its history is the fact the FDNY is so well staffed, trained and equipped. Imagine what would happen to your truck co, your department, your citizens and your municipality if you cut your truck company in 1/3 truck12345.
I think you should get a better idea of how and why the FDNY staffs and functions as it does before you make wildly uninformed suggestions about how the FDNY should be run...your no better than those who seek to cut the 20 companies...

One thing I've noticed as of late; something I thought had finally been passed over as being antiquated, is the disagreeing that is still occurring between the mighty forces of Emergency Services Unit and Special Operations Command.
Disagreement expressed on these pages could to be a good thing, as it might foster better understanding between those agencies who likely cooperate 98 percent of the time without incident, but disagree occasionally, and it comes off like a competition on those rare events.
But thinking about it, is this situation any different than what occurs in a majority of places, between emergency personnel?
Isn't it true that a contingent of volunteer firefighters still look upon their career counterparts with some sort of disdain?
Aren't there a few career firefighters, who cannot see any gray areas in the fire service and therefore conclude that ALL volunteer services are undermanned shams? (and how many of them were formerly volunteers with the exact opposite views)
Aren't there some cops who will always view the fire department showing up as just another inconvenient blocking of their highway?
Aren't there obstructionists in every branch of emergency services who would rather die or watch as constituents continue to die, than give up one inch of their authority or admit that changes need to be made to operations?
The imperfections of the systems in place in the greater New York area, serve to demoralize ALL who work within the systems. The ability to adapt to simple operational changes, that in many cases wouldn't cost an additional tax-dollar, or donation-buck, and many times would save money overall, are continually looked at with disdain. With inaction. With resistance.
Each individual however can still have an impact on positive change; if they would direct their energies toward the positive improvements and shun the negative energy. None of us alone will change the emergency services world during our careers. Let me repeat that; none of us alone.....
But collectively, smaller positive contributions all add up in the end toward building momentum for inevitable and productive change.
Most of the positive changes that have come about have been those individual contributions. Think about Chief Haligan. He invented a tool. Think about the guy/s gal/s who thought up 2in 2out. The person who invented exhaust extraction systems. Sure, some were collective improvements made by groups of people tasked with inventing that improvement.
But Chief Haligan went back into the shop somewhere at a firehouse and pulled out a length of hardened steel and started thinking about it. Coupled with his experience at defeating doors and locks. So you keep it simple, like he did and the sky is the limit. It's about an idea, more than what you can do in a steel shop. Your contribution might be ideas, gathered on paper; ideas about how to consolidate a bunch of smaller departments into one larger one, that would become a vast improvement in delivery of fire services. Captain Nechis's ideas, analytic thinking is his haligan tool. Whether it get built or not is still in question. Time however will prove he and his counterparts were years ahead of their time with their ideas.
Ideas are empowerment. What can you do individually to improve emergency services? Think about it, you might just be on to something big.

Well if they don't have the manpower, I reckon you can always put in a call to the State Police.

How did you know? lol

Imagine that.....




http://www.omaha.com...01/705099884/-1

Great idea and I hope it helps them out.
This is similar to our day time mutual aid plan with the 3 mutual aid departments that border us, we are toned out simultaneously for all fire calls in our district from the hours of 6AM-6PM, and the first unit on scene handles the call. The first officer on scene is IC regardless if they are from our mutual aid dept or not. We are getting equipment on scene faster this way WITH enough manpower to handle the call as well, and no ones ego gets in the way.

This Saturday 5/12 is national train day and they are having one of the events at Grand Central. The event runs from 11 am - 4pm. There will be a lot of train equipment on display on the tracks at Grand Central. This will be a really cool event if you or your kids are into trains.
http://www.nationaltrainday.com/events/newyork/

The Troopers were the first to arrive. Yes, the police often respond to emergencies in the rural parts of the state. This being a Friday afternoon, just before Christmas in a sparsely populated town with a well hidden from road/view structure the fire had a lot of headway before it was discovered. The person who discovered the fire actually drove to the volunteer firehouse to report it, found no one there and used the emergency phone to notify 911. The fire department was finally called, and almost immediately called 3 more departments under mutual aid for assistance. There is not a career fire department within sight of southern Columbia County. Troopers arrived initially and updated 911. The fire department did eventually show up with an engine, a tanker and a rescue each with a driver. With the limited manpower and some more enroute from neighboring departments with extended ETA's, the IC asked the Troopers for assistance to try to keep the fire from extending to the other portion of the house. The Troopers, 3/4 who are volunteer firefighters with chief officer experience and training obliged with permission from their supervisor. When enough fire personnel arrived, the Troopers were relieved and re-assumed their law enforcement roles.
Maybe not the best situation, but it happened, happened safely and they did do some good. Let's face it, this fire was the biggest thing going on in Columbia County at the time and the 2 speeders that got away on the Taconic during the time the Troopers were manning the hoseline will be caught next time.
As someone who takes a lot of fire pics in the Greene & Columbia areas I see the cooperation between law, fire and rescue squads all the time. You look up here at fire scenes and say "What the ....??" and I look at operations in the "Metro" areas and just scratch my head.
And Truck12345 seriously? Bill the FD for the Troopers time?? Maybe we should send bills to the NYSP every time we have to sit at a wire down on a STATE road and wait for NiMo or CH?? Maybe the next time we need the Troopers to help close a road so we can lay supply line across the street, maybe they won't be there.
I'm proud and happy that these Troopers were able to help and were not so disgruntled and screwed up that they just looked crosseyed at the Chief and said "Sorry dude. Not my job."

I want you all to watch this if you haven't already. this is posted on Statter 911 from Watsonville, California. It's a transient hotel fire where the first due companies were faced with a (blank)-storm. FD, civilians and (OMG) cops making rescues and on hose lines before the 2nd due arrived.
http://statter911.co...scues/#comments
Now, when the proverbial brown waste hist the oscullating cooling device, what are you going to do???? Make people watch or utilize what you have safely?
You decide, let people die or make an attempt?

Wouldn't that be crossing streams? lmao
Edit: spelling

What is wrong with you, I hope you don't think you represent every FDNY member on this board, if you do it's a sad day for FDNY (I am NOT FDNY) You are an embarrassment to every FDNY member and every fire fighter EVERYBODYGOES it’s time you followed them and went yourself

You're not serious are you? Do you honestly think money is the motivating factor behind any professional who desires to share his knowledge and experience? Since you know everybody, why don't you go down and ask Bob Morris that and see what kind of reaction you get.
It is people with attitudes like yours who would turn this site into another worthless waste of time rant. Everybodygoes....just go. lol

You don't have to work in NYC to know be able to judge time. Ray Kelly was born in 1941 according to any biographical information out there. NYPD started doing rescues somewhere around 1925 by most accounts. Unless something has changed, 1925 came before 1941, right? So ESU, or some NYPD predecessor, have been doing rescues since before Ray Kelly was an idea, much less a Police Officer or the Commissioner.
I'm not arguing whether the fire department did them first or not, nor am I saying I'm Ray Kelly's biggest fan, but to make him out to be a Red Herring is inaccurate.

Right, because Ray Kelly invented ESU and told them to start working rescue jobs.

Using 4 troopers at the scene? Obviously they were all there already either by dispatch or their own accord if they could man a line on the spur of the moment, so either way you look at it the tax dollars were not wasted.
What's next, a bill from Sanitation every time NYPD asks them to block of streets with the salters during a parade, marathon or security detail? Or how about a bill every times FDNY goes w/ the NYPD as a an air recon chief? Excessive anything is never good, but once again the bottom like is public and responder safety first and foremost.

I agree, well written post Joe. We didn't look at these calls as nuisance though.
We used to ride around the district and I'd spend a lot of time staring out the window at the neat row after row of little pink houses, block after block, ain't that America. Aided's, lift assists, water conditions, all the service calls gets all of that look behind the doors and locks of the little pink houses. The encounters would soften the hardest cigar chomping brutes of the job. They softened everybody.
There'd be the poor, frail elderly and oft neglected by remaining family or friends, victim; stuck in some torturous position for God knows how many hours, wedged behind a fixture, soiled, humiliate, scared, confused.
And the compassion that flew forth from otherwise stoic members of the services was always warming. Yet the whole scene always enveloped me. The old photos on the wall from when the husband was still alive, from their younger days of love, family, children, photos from later when those kids grew up, got married, moved on...
In the end, this poor compassion-needy person is stuck, helpless on the floor of her bathroom with acid burns from having been unable to relieve herself properly. Each and every single call, heartbreaking in a way. Makes the self-preservation instinct kick in for a lot. Trying to fit humor in some where when picking up.
In a way, Americans are all victims of our collective success, relatively luxurious compared with much of the rest of the world. Yet, here we are, all separated, elderly abandoned and left to their own means. Isolated. Alone. Half of everybody in this country has got some kind of head problem because of how we are all so alone so much even within the hustle and bustle of large populated areas.
Yeah, those lift assists. You've got to construct an iron ring around your heart for the time you do these jobs, because if you let all of that despairing into yours...it leaves scars.

The bottom line is you can do all the Monday morning quarterbacking you want, but unless you were the I/C at this incident or were there and witnessed some event that grossly jeopardized firefighter or the State Police Officers safety, you have no right to call his judgment to utilize the officers into question.

Did anyone take into consideration it was Christmas Eve and that probably contributed to the manpower shortage? It’s easy to say pick up the radio and call for help, how far is the help and how long is it going to take to get them there. What was the I/C faced with at the time? It is quite obvious the Ancram Chief and department were very much appreciative of the assistance rendered by the State Police in the mitigation of this incident.

Instead of bickering about doing each others jobs, how about being pro active and working together to enhance the protection of life and property of the “tax payers” we serve. I can tell you when police and fire want to, they can work very well together to accomplish this. Greenburgh Police and Fairview Fire have been working together for years with EMS and Technical Rescue providing the best emergency services available.

The Ancram Fire Chief should be commended for having the guts to employ the assistance on the State Police, and the State Police should be commended for assisting.

An honest airing of opinions, in a pretty civilized way. It's got to be a healthy thing to air some of the frustrations guys may have been feeling about some of this. Think about if they had regular, informal briefings that would bring ESU and SOC together over coffee one Sunday morning a month or something (check all firearms and haligans at the door please gentlemen).
Then again the point; does having a healthy dose of competition between agencies motivate personnel even further toward excellence in operations? Surely, as long as the operational co-existence does not engender either unsafe ops for victims or emergency personnel.
The unspoken here; how each and every one of these pros from these jobs would DIE for one another. The time for discussion or disagreement would be left for after a cop dragged a fireman to safety, or a fireman dropped the perp the cop was chasing.
What made a lasting impression on me; during Flips of '98 they used to intermingle the FDNY Lts with those of us fortunate to also be attending from our various jobs and promotions. There were 30 guys in my class; 15 FDNY, 15 State. Do you know, every single FDNY Lt in that class was a transferred NYPD Brother?
Think about John and Joe Vigiano when thinking about the Brothers and Sisters of NYC. It really is shared blood.

I haven't been on emtbravo in a few days so I sign in and see this topic and I figure I should get another cup of coffee before I read my daily dose of anti cop stupidity... and I was not let down.....
I have said before many times that there is a huge anti cop sentiment on here and it once again reared it's ugly head in this thread and in the thread about the ESU guys getting people of an apartment.
I believe it is incumbent on all of us to do WHATEVER we have to do to get the job done and to keep the public safe. It seems like some on here have forgotten that keeping the public safe is our primary function.
When I happen to be at a scene, even a medical call, I help however I can. If someone from empress says " here hold this" and they hand me whatever, what am I going to say no ??? Of course not I'm going to provide whatever help they need to get their job done. There have been times when a PD member has had to drive an empress bus because the medics were working the patient.. do you think anyone at empress got their drawers in a bunch and complained that a cop was driving the bus ?? Of course not..... this isn't a perfect world, jobs don't always go by the playbook and we all have to be ready for that.
If there is a working structure fire and the YFD is there and i'm walking up to the scene and a firefighter is trying to connect to a hydrant and it's stuck, if he says " hey can you give me a hand here" Of course i'm going to help him without hesitation.. because thats what we do... we help without hesitation.
I could go on and on providing more what if's and giving actualy instances where cops have been asked by other services to help but those of us who are rational know that these troopers rose to the occasion and supported the FD when they needed it.
Great Job Brothers.

Put turnout gear on these guys and what do you have - a disciplined company operating as a team with a supervisor.......