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I don't read it that way. The article goes out of it's way to never directly link the merger with the Sheriffs Office. Even the Sheriff himself, who arguably would be that much more powerful, gives a very lukewarm quote. That being said, I personally think it should be the Sheriffs Office. The idea of two independent, county-wide police/patrol agencies is nonsensical.

The top picture is of 2F42, which was assigned to the Palisades. The second picture is 1K87, a slick-top, which handled the northern end of the Taconic. When they were in service, there were several dozen assigned around the state.

The top picture is of 2F42, which was assigned to the Palisades. The second picture is 1K87, a slick-top, which handled the northern end of the Taconic. When they were in service, there were several dozen assigned around the state.

The top picture is of 2F42, which was assigned to the Palisades. The second picture is 1K87, a slick-top, which handled the northern end of the Taconic. When they were in service, there were several dozen assigned around the state.

You are really good at using Google images, I will give you that. I'm aware that fire department buses and transport trucks exist. I am also acutely aware that space ships exist. Yes, it is still dumb. We're not talking USAR or wildland. It's not a crew of part time college kids with backpacks and rakes. You have a fire station with firemen and fire trucks and now you want everyone to buy a bus to take instead of the fire truck. You are advocating buying 8-24 duplicate SCBAs, hand tools, saws, flashlights etc. To put on a transport bus. To take to a routine fire. Yes. This is still very dumb. Also if all the firemen take the bus, who is going to be there for the fire engine anyway? I'm starting to see the writing on the wall of why to stop reading this site. I'm arguing with someone on the internet if firemen should take a bus or a fire engine. Time to find a new hobby.

I have no dog in the AR-15 fight, but I can tell you that congress wasn't designed to grind to halt either...but that doesn't stop "one man's rules" (McConnell or Boehner) from making it a "slippery slope" either.
You should ask the the DHS employees going without pay because congress couldn't agree on funding if they wish the president could authorize their funding...
At some point it becomes essential to legislate, something that cannot happen when you have one of the most unproductive congresses in the 200+ year history of the country.
If our founding fathers had truly tried to make this country "eliminate the possibility of "one man's rules" how do explain federalism, republicanism, recess appointments, martial rule, executive actions and pardons etc all enshrined in the constitution or delineated and protected by the supreme court?

GBFD109, Thanks for taking the time to explain conditions, and the eloquence of your reply, especially in the face of a Monday morning QB questioning the amount of resources called.

As the Operations officer at this incident I think I can shed some light on this situation. First, the property conditions that first due units encountered where deplorable. The entire property was covered in 18-20 inches of snow with one, 12 inch wide footpath barely shoveled to the front door. The initial stretch alone was extremely strenuous and taxing on the manpower.
Once interior, crews encountered extreme Colliers Mansion conditions, preventing them from making an expedient advance on the fire on the first floor. The basement, where the heaviest fire was encountered, was a whole different story. Upon making entry to the basement, crews dealt with floor to ceiling junk as well as a well seasoned pile of firewood and the contents of of a woodworking shop.
As far as the apparatus on scene; in that geographical location, due to the lack of hydrants, we were operating from our tanker district alarm assignments, which brings more tankers than manpower carrying apparatus. The time of day is tough on manpower regardless of conditions. Factor in the conditions, and your burning through fresh bodies faster than you can get them there.
In closing, I would like to personally thank all Mutual aid departments for their quick response and assistance.

Date: 02/21/15
Time: 1320hrs
Location: 77 Meadow Hill Rd.
District: Winona Lake/Town of Newburgh
Units: Winona Lake, Orange Lake, City of Newburgh (FAST), Good-Will (Engine), 36-13
Re-Located; Coldenham and Middlehope & Cronomer Valley on s/b/I/q
Description: 2nd Alarm Structure Fire
1330hrs-36-13 inquiring if Fire Investigators were on the 2nd Alarm. OC911 advising that the Town of Newburgh FIs were notified.
1331hrs-OC911 conducting a 10 minute status check. Command advisng still have heavy fire.
1332hrs-City of Newburgh Car-4 & E1 on scene.
1343hrs-OC911 conducting 20-minute status check. Command advising (3) lines still in operation.
1347hrs-36-13 advising that Central Hudson is on scene.

Date: 02/20/15
Time: 430 PM
Location: 229 Ironwood Drive, Town of Tuxedo
District: Tuxedo
Units: Tuxedo FD, Monroe FD with FAST plus an Engine and a Tanker, Greenwood Lake with an Engine and Tanker, OC 36-15

Description: PD on scene with a Working Fire in Apartment 6

Date: 02/20/15
Time: 430 PM
Location: 229 Ironwood Drive, Town of Tuxedo
District: Tuxedo
Units: Tuxedo FD, Monroe FD with FAST plus an Engine and a Tanker, Greenwood Lake with an Engine and Tanker, OC 36-15

Description: PD on scene with a Working Fire in Apartment 6

Date: 2-13-15
Time: 16:24hrs
Location: 85 Titicus Rd, Purdys Train Station C/S Route 116
District: Croton Falls
Weather: Clear, 18 degrees
Channel: Fire 13, Fireground 2 "Titicus Rd Command"
Units:
Croton Falls FD Engine 149, MA-16, Rescue 28, Car 2071 (I/C)
Somers FD Rescue 20 (For additional plywood and shoring resources)
Metro North FD Car 2641, Car 2642
South Salem FD Engine 168, Car 2452 (Relocate Croton Falls FD Station 2)
North Salem VAC 72-B-2 (Scene standby ambulance)
Somers FD*EMS 80-B-1 (Transport to LZ ambulance)
WEMS 45-M-3, 45-14
Lifenet Air 2
NYSP Patrol, BCI
MTA PD Patrol, ESU
Metro North RR Ops Trainmaster
WCDES County Car 4, Car 2001, Car 2007, Battalion 16, WC Technical Rescue Team Rescue 77, Utility 77, Collapse/Shoring Trailer

Description: Confirmed subject entrapped under a train "still alive at this time". Command requesting Westchester County DES Technical Rescue team. MA-16 requested to cut down chain link fence so incoming units can gain closer access to scene. Medic requesting helicopter, Lifenet Air 2 giving 20 minute ETA. Landing zone being established by Engine 149 at Westchester Exceptional Children's School on Route 22 near Route 116.
Updates:
16:42hrs Somers Rescue 20 being requested mutual aid for additional plywood and shoring resources. Advised to expedite, responding driver alone.
16:52hrs Car 2071 reporting subject has been extricated, cancelling WCDES Technical Rescue resources.
17:01hrs 60 Control advising Metro North Trainmaster on scene as a liaison with track and third rail operations. Lifenet Air 2 has landed.
17:12hrs Lifenet Air 2 enroute to Westchester Medical Center with 8 minute ETA, hot offload. Reporting stable patient with minor injuries.
17:30hrs Car 2071 reporting MTA requiring no further assistance, all Fire and EMS units back in service.

It does not matter. Age was not part of the job description so it has to be disregarded by law. And, realistically, these days there are an awful lot of very healthy and active people in their sixties who are fully able to perform as well as they did in their forties. I am one of them. Conversely, there are a bunch of mid-forties to mid-fifties paid men in terrible shape in departments all over the country.
I'd also want to see the job description before arguing this point any further. A lot of departments like this hire "paid drivers" or similar titles rather than full firefighters even though they're required to be certified. Since it is possible that the job description may not have required full firefighter physical ability, until we know for sure, debating that point isn't accurate or productive.
Interesting point for everyone, the plaintiff was among the top five on the list, but they hired none of them, picking someone lower down on the list. NYS Civil Service law generally requires hiring from the top three on the list. Sounds to me like they shot themselves in the foot several times over.

Interesting development. I would be very surprised if this was an oversight by Monte. It must have been done on purpose, but I wonder why. Monte in the Bronx is not a trauma center, so it would not be to funnel lower Westchester trauma to that ER.
Anyone have any REAL factual insight as to what is behind this decision?

There is a member on this thread who is obviously intentionally trying to hijack threads and create conflict. He's made several inflammatory comments in other threads on other matters, and I just removed a post of his in the Somers Firehouse Fire Incident Alert thread trying to start the same argument he's trying to make here. He's been warned before about this behavior, but seemingly doesn't care. His behavior and assertions are offending numerous members of this forum, intentionally creating hostility, and taking threads off course. Therefore, his posts must be approved by a moderator prior to being seen by the general membership going forward. This isn't just one post were talking about, this is a pattern of behavior across different threads and it needs to stop. I don't care if people accuse me of censorship regarding this, something needs to be done since this type of repetitive behavior without regard for its consequences damages this forum and inhibits constructive and interesting discussion and dissemination of accurate information.
The dispatchers on duty at 60 Control did an excellent job during this overwhelming and unprecedented incident. Many people don't understand what it's like to work in a multi-jurisdictional multi-discipline communications center, and the complexities that come along with it on a normal day, let alone during something like this. This forum, and I, will not stand by them and not let a member purposely use this as a venue to try and tarnish and second guess such strong and solid work with such unfounded, unfair, and intentionally inflammatory claims.
I ask that this issue ends here, and constructive discussion regarding this incident resumes. If you have any concerns regarding this, please contact me.

Bottom of Da Hill give it a rest already! You are just making yourself look even more and more clueless. No one agrees with you here (how can you not see that?), no one with any education will agree with you here, and no one wants to read any more of your posts trying to hijack and ruin this thread with your personally biased, absurd claims of favoritism. I'm starting to suspect you're just upset your department wasn't called. Again, wrong incident, wrong thread, and wrong time to be making such stupid claims.

Bottom of Da Hill, on 03 Feb 2015 - 11:28 PM, said:
why stand by fd units from ossining isnt that a little far away?maybe armonk or west harrison white plains ?
Bottom of Da Hill, on 04 Feb 2015 - 01:47 AM, said:
or maybe just maybe the dispatcher is a member of said FD? thats what it is?you have fairview hartsdale sleepyhollow tarrytown just a few miles away.favoritism with few dispatchers i noticed.
Bottom of Da Hill, on 04 Feb 2015 - 02:06 AM, said:
i know all about mutual aid very well and i agree with you to a point.but there is favoritism.
Bottom of Da Hill, on 04 Feb 2015 - 03:16 AM, said:
the grand scheme should get what you need there sooner then later kinda like a fast team? thats my experience tells me its not a parade.get what you need ASAP.i dont think the dispatchers should have that kind of power to show favoritism to the dept they belong to.
Well all the departments you listed including Ossining are a 12-15 minute drive to Valhalla's station. It's not about speed and who is closest for relocations, it's how to balance all of the resources in the county. A relocation is not an emergency per se. It is better to skip over several departments so that wide gaps in coverage aren't created in the process. Hawthorne, Valhalla, North White Plains, Elmsford, Thornwood, and Briarcliff had units committed to this job during rush hour. Leaving TFD, SHFD, PHFD, WHFD, AFD, untouched meant that whichever company relocated to VFD would have had a full complement of second due departments nearby available to respond to another major incident.
You're hung up on Ossining but the fact of the matter is that they've got a half dozen engines two trucks rescue and support equipment plus a lot of manpower. I'd like you to name a major job North of White Plains from the past 20 years that they haven't been on or relocated for. An 3 man engine or 1 man truck from Hartsdale on a relocate... That's just silly. If I was Greenville, Hartsdale, or Fairview I'd decline the request for a relocate knowing that if have to call back manpower to cover my first due.
The box was filled appropriately and just because a few Ossining members work for or have previously worked for 60 control does not indicate favoritism. If it's big and in northern Westchester you can be sure Ossining, Bedford Hills, and/or Yorktown are going to be part of the job.

Then why did you return? Are you seeking some kind of validation through your grammatically inferior posts? For someone that espouses freedom, you have the freedom to leave at any time. Why in the world would you spend so much time on a forum that you despise? It's beyond illogical. You must have something else to do with your time. Take up a new hobby. Why do you need anyone to delete your old posts? You are actively adding new posts to a forum you want nothing to do with.

Yet, here you are. Continually signing on the site and posting, and posting, and posting. You have the freedom to avoid coming on here, given your litany of complaints.

Then why did you return? Are you seeking some kind of validation through your grammatically inferior posts? For someone that espouses freedom, you have the freedom to leave at any time. Why in the world would you spend so much time on a forum that you despise? It's beyond illogical. You must have something else to do with your time. Take up a new hobby. Why do you need anyone to delete your old posts? You are actively adding new posts to a forum you want nothing to do with.

If they deleted your name even at your own request, you'd probably cry about how they "banned" you. Easier solution. Log out and don't come back.

Or maybe you are the one who's run their course here. If you hate it so much leave the site and quit the whining about it. Get over yourself.

Based on some of these posts, I can't help but wonder if some of you were dropped on your heads as babies. What is even more concerning is how little some people know, armchair quarterback and jump to conclusions.
I have a fairly good amount of training regarding trains and train emergencies. I have - what I believe - is a wealth of knowledge of the fire service, including resources in this county and around us. I also have responded to and run a handful of incidents involving mass-casualties.
I have never - nor has 99.5% of you - had an incident like this. The people running it did a TOP NOTCH JOB, and the fact that some of you are sitting back, typing away and criticizing any decisions of the Incident Commander or any others at this incident just fortifies why I have little faith that we can ever become better as a county. Some of you posting here are officers, past officers or - God help us - aspiring officers in your respective agencies. As the Maitre D' in Ferris Bueller's Day off said, "I weep for the future."
/rant
And for the record, this is me, as a person, voicing my opinion which has no reflection of any affiliation I have or have had in the past.

6 people lost their lives and others injured and this is what's bothering you? Get over it. Stop with the favoritism nonsense and the boo-hoo why didn't they call X, Y or Z.
Resources were called as needed during what I could only imagine to be a chaotic and overwhelming scene.

Date: 2-3-15
Time: 18:35
Location: Commerce St at the Metro North Harlem Line grade Crossing (adjacent to the Taconic State Parkway)
District: Valhalla
Channel: Fire 11, Fireground 8
Weather: 20 Degrees, Partly Cloudy, Light Wind, with snow and ice covering ground from storm yesterday
Units: (See Below)

Description: 5:45PM Metro North Harlem line train to Southeast from Grand Central struck SUV standing at gated grade crossing. Estimated 850+ people on board train, and at least 12 injuries and 6 fatalities. MCI declared. Train is an "M-7" electric and powered by 3rd rail. Both car and train reported to be on fire.
Units:
Valhalla FD Engine 82, Engine 83, Engine 84, Tower Ladder 49, Rescue 9, Utility 59
Hawthorne FD Engine 154
North White Plains FD Engine 74, C-2321
Elmsford FD Engine 237
Thornwood FD Engine 88, Tower Ladder 1
Briarcliff FD Rescue 37 (Cascade)
Ossining FD Engine 99 and Tower Ladder 42 (Relocate Valhalla)
Somers FD Utility 88, Car 2445 (Rehab Unit)
Pleasantville FD Engine 91 (Relocate Hawthorne FD)
Metro North FD
Valhalla VAC 82-B-1, 82-B-2
White Plains EMS (Transcare) 31-A-2
Mount Pleasant Medic (Transcare) 37-M-1
Empress EMS 87-A-1
Hawthorne FD EMS 63-B-1, 63-B-2
Pleasantville VAC 76-B-1, 76-B-3, 7605 (Rehab Unit)
Chappaqua VAC (Relocate)
Westchester EMS 45-M-1 (Relocate), 40-A-9
Cortlandt VAC 8805 (Rehab Unit)
Mount Pleasant PD
Greenburgh PD
Yonkers PD METU (MCI Bus)
MTA PD
Westchester County PD Patrol, ESU, Aviation, SOD, Commanders, LT1
NYSP Patrol, BCI
Westchester County ME Medical Examiner
WCDES Battalion 11, County Car 1, County Car 4, EMS 10, Utility 106 w/ Light Tower trailer and ARFF cans,
WCDES Technical Rescue Team Rescue 77, Utility 77, Car 2001
Notes:
19:56 Multiple Bee-Line buses enroute to transport stranded commuters
20:01 60 Control advising units not to use the term "bus" for ambulance as they have actual buses enroute and it is causing confusion
**Please reply to this thread with assigned units, additional information, corrections, and or updates if you have them**