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Agreed. But what is truly achieved when it is aired out on a public forum? We all know we have room to improve, but when we specifically call out certain agencies or certain incidents we go against what the original intent of this forum was! When Seth started this forum we could talk tactics and ways to improve things without hating on one agency or a call. Now it's a free for all where everytime a photo is posted, it gets criticized. When an Incident Alert is posted, times are questioned.
If you really want to question something, ask those involved. Airing it out for all to see is a HUGE MISTAKE! People are going to get in trouble, the press is going to print things that are hurtful and non-constructive, and the public is going to think we're all a bunch of cry babies!
Bring back the old EMTBravo.net where we would praise in public, and insult/question eachother in private!
It's bad enough that morons go on Facebook, Twitter, etc. airing out departmental issues, insulting other departments, etc. We're all suppost to be BROTHERS - grow up and speak to those you have an issue with, don't air out your dirty laundry for everyone to see! I'm tired of seeing guys getting their rocks off by seeing others look bad.
I was one of the original members here, I check it more than once a day and try to always be positive. But over the past couple of months I find myself losing interest. Let's put aside the BS and actually offer constructive criticism without the finger-pointing.
Life is stressful enough, we don't need another avenue of disappointment.

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I just watched News 12's story where they are discussing how Officer Stretz has worked for four different departments.
WHAT DOES IT MATTER?
Haven't most of us worked at a job or two we didn't like?
I am so sick of how they keep making it look like he was the bad guy. A low-life with multiple priors whom has spent more than 10 years in prison, who was running from the police risking the lives of others, who than tried taking the Officer's gun is not a stand-up person!!!!
Stop turning this around. I for one fully support Officer Stretz and think more people need to speak up on his behalf!

I just watched News 12's story where they are discussing how Officer Stretz has worked for four different departments.
WHAT DOES IT MATTER?
Haven't most of us worked at a job or two we didn't like?
I am so sick of how they keep making it look like he was the bad guy. A low-life with multiple priors whom has spent more than 10 years in prison, who was running from the police risking the lives of others, who than tried taking the Officer's gun is not a stand-up person!!!!
Stop turning this around. I for one fully support Officer Stretz and think more people need to speak up on his behalf!

Agreed. But what is truly achieved when it is aired out on a public forum? We all know we have room to improve, but when we specifically call out certain agencies or certain incidents we go against what the original intent of this forum was! When Seth started this forum we could talk tactics and ways to improve things without hating on one agency or a call. Now it's a free for all where everytime a photo is posted, it gets criticized. When an Incident Alert is posted, times are questioned.
If you really want to question something, ask those involved. Airing it out for all to see is a HUGE MISTAKE! People are going to get in trouble, the press is going to print things that are hurtful and non-constructive, and the public is going to think we're all a bunch of cry babies!
Bring back the old EMTBravo.net where we would praise in public, and insult/question eachother in private!
It's bad enough that morons go on Facebook, Twitter, etc. airing out departmental issues, insulting other departments, etc. We're all suppost to be BROTHERS - grow up and speak to those you have an issue with, don't air out your dirty laundry for everyone to see! I'm tired of seeing guys getting their rocks off by seeing others look bad.
I was one of the original members here, I check it more than once a day and try to always be positive. But over the past couple of months I find myself losing interest. Let's put aside the BS and actually offer constructive criticism without the finger-pointing.
Life is stressful enough, we don't need another avenue of disappointment.

Agreed. But what is truly achieved when it is aired out on a public forum? We all know we have room to improve, but when we specifically call out certain agencies or certain incidents we go against what the original intent of this forum was! When Seth started this forum we could talk tactics and ways to improve things without hating on one agency or a call. Now it's a free for all where everytime a photo is posted, it gets criticized. When an Incident Alert is posted, times are questioned.
If you really want to question something, ask those involved. Airing it out for all to see is a HUGE MISTAKE! People are going to get in trouble, the press is going to print things that are hurtful and non-constructive, and the public is going to think we're all a bunch of cry babies!
Bring back the old EMTBravo.net where we would praise in public, and insult/question eachother in private!
It's bad enough that morons go on Facebook, Twitter, etc. airing out departmental issues, insulting other departments, etc. We're all suppost to be BROTHERS - grow up and speak to those you have an issue with, don't air out your dirty laundry for everyone to see! I'm tired of seeing guys getting their rocks off by seeing others look bad.
I was one of the original members here, I check it more than once a day and try to always be positive. But over the past couple of months I find myself losing interest. Let's put aside the BS and actually offer constructive criticism without the finger-pointing.
Life is stressful enough, we don't need another avenue of disappointment.

Agreed. But what is truly achieved when it is aired out on a public forum? We all know we have room to improve, but when we specifically call out certain agencies or certain incidents we go against what the original intent of this forum was! When Seth started this forum we could talk tactics and ways to improve things without hating on one agency or a call. Now it's a free for all where everytime a photo is posted, it gets criticized. When an Incident Alert is posted, times are questioned.
If you really want to question something, ask those involved. Airing it out for all to see is a HUGE MISTAKE! People are going to get in trouble, the press is going to print things that are hurtful and non-constructive, and the public is going to think we're all a bunch of cry babies!
Bring back the old EMTBravo.net where we would praise in public, and insult/question eachother in private!
It's bad enough that morons go on Facebook, Twitter, etc. airing out departmental issues, insulting other departments, etc. We're all suppost to be BROTHERS - grow up and speak to those you have an issue with, don't air out your dirty laundry for everyone to see! I'm tired of seeing guys getting their rocks off by seeing others look bad.
I was one of the original members here, I check it more than once a day and try to always be positive. But over the past couple of months I find myself losing interest. Let's put aside the BS and actually offer constructive criticism without the finger-pointing.
Life is stressful enough, we don't need another avenue of disappointment.

Agreed. But what is truly achieved when it is aired out on a public forum? We all know we have room to improve, but when we specifically call out certain agencies or certain incidents we go against what the original intent of this forum was! When Seth started this forum we could talk tactics and ways to improve things without hating on one agency or a call. Now it's a free for all where everytime a photo is posted, it gets criticized. When an Incident Alert is posted, times are questioned.
If you really want to question something, ask those involved. Airing it out for all to see is a HUGE MISTAKE! People are going to get in trouble, the press is going to print things that are hurtful and non-constructive, and the public is going to think we're all a bunch of cry babies!
Bring back the old EMTBravo.net where we would praise in public, and insult/question eachother in private!
It's bad enough that morons go on Facebook, Twitter, etc. airing out departmental issues, insulting other departments, etc. We're all suppost to be BROTHERS - grow up and speak to those you have an issue with, don't air out your dirty laundry for everyone to see! I'm tired of seeing guys getting their rocks off by seeing others look bad.
I was one of the original members here, I check it more than once a day and try to always be positive. But over the past couple of months I find myself losing interest. Let's put aside the BS and actually offer constructive criticism without the finger-pointing.
Life is stressful enough, we don't need another avenue of disappointment.

Agreed. But what is truly achieved when it is aired out on a public forum? We all know we have room to improve, but when we specifically call out certain agencies or certain incidents we go against what the original intent of this forum was! When Seth started this forum we could talk tactics and ways to improve things without hating on one agency or a call. Now it's a free for all where everytime a photo is posted, it gets criticized. When an Incident Alert is posted, times are questioned.
If you really want to question something, ask those involved. Airing it out for all to see is a HUGE MISTAKE! People are going to get in trouble, the press is going to print things that are hurtful and non-constructive, and the public is going to think we're all a bunch of cry babies!
Bring back the old EMTBravo.net where we would praise in public, and insult/question eachother in private!
It's bad enough that morons go on Facebook, Twitter, etc. airing out departmental issues, insulting other departments, etc. We're all suppost to be BROTHERS - grow up and speak to those you have an issue with, don't air out your dirty laundry for everyone to see! I'm tired of seeing guys getting their rocks off by seeing others look bad.
I was one of the original members here, I check it more than once a day and try to always be positive. But over the past couple of months I find myself losing interest. Let's put aside the BS and actually offer constructive criticism without the finger-pointing.
Life is stressful enough, we don't need another avenue of disappointment.

Well, I didn't want to sully up the Dutchess thread, but I've been wanting to say FACEBOOK SUCKS for a long time. Reading that thread just gave me a reason to say it here.
I'm kinda flabbergasted by some of the comments over there. There are quite a few career guys here who make it a point to NOT bash volunteers. I count myself in that group. I've made friends with guys from both sides of the equation through EMTBravo.
Seth, I think if you want to try and bring members back who may be MIA these days, a good place to start would be to eliminate the "rep scoreboard." I love giving out rep points. I have to say, I have felt very gratified that people respected some things I have had to say or post, and gave me points. But I feel like my position on the "scoreboard" makes people NOT respond to things I post now. KEEP THE REP POINTS. Just do away with the scoreboard. PLEASE. This way we can give a good post a positive boost, and everyone can feel equally respected when that happens.
I know a few very smart and wise firemen and officers who come on here. One is just starting to bring his knowledge to the board. He worked in some of the busiest fire companies in the world, and also served as a volunteer in every rank from fireman to Commissioner. He doesn't distinguish who he is passing his experience and knowledge on to, career or volunteer it doesn't matter. That's the way most of the guys I know with far more experience and knowledge than I will ever have approach the volunteer/career issue. And I have always chosen the same path, just don't tread on us, and we won't on you. It's just a mutual respect thing that's all.
And some volunteers shouldn't be so sensitive when a guy like Chief Flynn starts asking questions. Right away they take it as bashing. It is about trying to see improvement in delivery of service to the people we serve/d. Career guys fight to improve the fire service. Some guys are more "in your face" style than others. But those guys can teach you a lot if you can let your guard down.
In closing I'd like to say once more how much I think Facebook sucks.

There's some other agencies out there that are in far worst shape. I guess because they're not on 46.26, it doesn't count?
Even if both of the Croton ambulances were crewed the other day, two calls would have went to Mutual Aid.
Should an ambulance show up everytime it is dispatched? Yes. Is it a reality when you do not have paid staffing, you lack available volunteer resources and most of your members can't afford to live in the jurisdiction they belong to? No.
The issue here shouldn't be aired out on this forum. If someone has a legitimate concern about the response capabilities of Croton EMS, then contact Croton EMS direct.
That is all.
Here is their contact information: CEMS

There's some other agencies out there that are in far worst shape. I guess because they're not on 46.26, it doesn't count?
Even if both of the Croton ambulances were crewed the other day, two calls would have went to Mutual Aid.
Should an ambulance show up everytime it is dispatched? Yes. Is it a reality when you do not have paid staffing, you lack available volunteer resources and most of your members can't afford to live in the jurisdiction they belong to? No.
The issue here shouldn't be aired out on this forum. If someone has a legitimate concern about the response capabilities of Croton EMS, then contact Croton EMS direct.
That is all.
Here is their contact information: CEMS

There's some other agencies out there that are in far worst shape. I guess because they're not on 46.26, it doesn't count?
Even if both of the Croton ambulances were crewed the other day, two calls would have went to Mutual Aid.
Should an ambulance show up everytime it is dispatched? Yes. Is it a reality when you do not have paid staffing, you lack available volunteer resources and most of your members can't afford to live in the jurisdiction they belong to? No.
The issue here shouldn't be aired out on this forum. If someone has a legitimate concern about the response capabilities of Croton EMS, then contact Croton EMS direct.
That is all.
Here is their contact information: CEMS

As the driver of SFRD Engine 1 this morning I just want to say that ALL precautions were taken while we were operating at a fully involved vehicle fire. The vehicle that was on fire was located in the breakdown lane of I-95 southbound. CSP had two patrol cars on scene , both with their emergency lights operating, both blocking the breakdown lane. As we approached the scene I positioned the engine approximately 75' short of the fire and at an angle that took control of the center and right lanes of I-95. CSP had also put out road flares to warn southbound vehicles of the hazard. Second due SFRD Engine 6 arrived shortly thereafter and also blocked the right two lanes of I95. During the incident the left lane of I-95 remained open and vehicle traffic was passing the scene at full posted speed limit (55) and at much greater speeds, in my estimation.  After extinguishment Engine 6 was clesared and Engine 1 remained on scene. The crash ocurred as the damaged vehicle from the fire was being loaded on a flatbed wrecker. The impact was immense! The tractor trailer continued down I95 approximately 600 yards after impact. Fortunately all three firefighters and our Officer were unhurt by the impact or flying debris. One of the CSP Troopers was hit by debris and was transported to Stamford Hospital for minor injuries. The tow operator was uninjured. The impact from the tractor trailer lifted the rear of the apparatus 1-2' off the ground and forward approximately 4'. The vehicle's maxi brake was applied as well as the rear tire being  chocked. All members were wearing high reflective safety vests over turn-out gear. The cab and trailer suffered signifigant damage as well. The SOG's developed by the SFRD concerning apparatus placement at vehicle fires DEFINATELY prevented injury to SFRD personel. <br>

1. If this "hypothetical" incident is actually one that occurred the other night in Mahopac, they did in fact make a grab (or whatever people call it these days), so in the eyes of OSHA they would be "exempt" from having to keep the "Two out."
2. If anyone thinks having just "Two Out" is sufficient, you're out of your friggin mind. We have done drills as simple as dragging a guy across the engine room floor with no smoke, no fire, no obstructions - and it can tire you out fast.
3. Any Chief - not an IC - but a Chief who knows that their primary Mutual Aid (FAST, Truck, whatever) consistently struggles, then maybe it's time to use someone else. I'm not poking jabs at anyone in this scenario, but wake up guys. I am like almost every Chief, Officer and Firefighter on here that is very, very proud of my department. But if we can't produce what is asked of us, I'd rather say we can't do it then do it half-assed.
4. The FF I program has to include Survival & FAST. Stop saying it's a burden on people. Any firefighter that is naive enough to say they're interior but won't learn how to help one of your own should be pushed to the exterior list. If a guy isn't going to help one of his own or thinks it can't happen, they're not a team player and can find another team to play for.
5. Calling two FASTs might be the answer if that's what it takes to give an IC the people on scene he feels is needed. But until that request is made, the one team that is requested needs to man up after a few minutes and say they can't cover their call. We had to do it once, and I anticipate it will happen again at some point, but we have our own policy in place that says if we have less manpower than we need, we will advise the IC and see if he wants us, someone else or a combination of both. We're not too proud to say we can't cover a request. On the opposite side of the coin, our primary FAST is fantastic, they always provide enough manpower in a timely manner. Our backup FASTs have also been good to us over the years (thanks!).
6. Bnechis - the remark that volunteers pick and choose calls is not a secret. But the same can be said for paid personnel in various departments as well. I'm not going to turn this into a debate, but I know of plenty examples but this is neither the place nor the time for it. It's human nature to hear a call at 3AM when it's pouring out and say "this sucks," but that call has to be answered whether we like it or not.

Date: 10/1/10
Time: 23:59 hours
Location: 57 ave x 49 st
Frequency: FDNY Queens
Weather Conditions: overcast
Description Of Incident: fire in a concrete plant
Reporters/Writer: ryang
Additional Info:
Maspeth, Queens, NY, 10/1/10
Address: 57-02 49 st @ 57 Ave
23:59 hours
Phone Box 7027 - Report of fire in a warehouse
Engs. 259, 291, 206
L128, L140
Battalion 45
Squad 288 available assigned
10-75-7027 - 00:06 hours
E325
TL163 (FAST Truck)
Battalion 28
Division 14
Rescue 4

CIDS for 46-05 56 Rd:
UPS Warehouse 2 story 1134x588 class 3. Rubber membrane roof over concrete. Fully sprinklered. Wall hydrants. Offices on 2nd floor. 24 hours guard.
7-5-7027 - 00:10 hours
Battalion 45: All-Hands, special call a tower ladder and HazMat, we have multiple cylinders burning, we have outside structures burning, we have no extension to the actual building.
TL124, HazMat 1, HazMat Battalion, Squad 270 (HazTec) S/C
RAC4
00:12 hours
BC45: Have the 4th due engine hook up to the hydrant at 48 st and 56 RD, have them put their stang into operation, they will supply the tower ladder when it arrives.
00:13 hours
BC45: 288's going to be used as an engine company, please assign another Squad!
Squad 270 will be going in as a Squad
Squad 252 (HazTec) S/C
2-2-7027 - 00:15 hours
Engs. 292, 287, 271, 237
E324 w/ Satellite 4
L136
Battalion 46 (Resource Unit Leader)
Battalion 37 (Safety Officer)
Safety, Rescue Battalions
Tactical Support 1
FieldCom 1
Car 10 (DAC Kevin Butler, Bronx Borough Commander)
00:17 hours
Assign another Tower Ladder, we're putting 163 to work, that Tower Ladder will be the FAST truck.
TL146 (FAST Truck) S/C
00:20 hours - Duration 21 minutes
BC45: 2nd Alarm Box 7025, We have 2 lines stretched and operating, 1 stang in operation, 2 tower ladders being set up and a 3rd line being stretched. It appears to be a combination of about 3 structures, an automobile, a bunch of fuel tanks, and a bunch of other equipment.
00:22 hours
BC45: These structures are combined, they're standing next to each other in between these tanks. At this time the main building does not appear to be involved, it's about 50 feet back of the fire but it's creeping up on it.
00:25 hours
BC45: Command Post will be located by TL163, just inside the yard.
10-86-7027 - 00:27 hours
BC45: Transmit a 10-86 for a foam operation, and see if you can contact someone from the facility, get someone down here.
E260 w/ Foam 260, E294 w/ Foam 294
E228 w/ Purple-K 228, E229 w/ Purple-K 229
E207 w/ Satellite 6
E238 w/ Foam Tender Unit
Battalions 4, 14 (Foam Coordinator)
00:31 hours
Division 14 requests the administrative company for the address. Administrative company is E259.
00:36 hours
The staging area is 56rd and 50 st
00:44 hours
BC45: Send me the full 2nd Alarm rundown to my MDT. Also the Command Post has been move to 57 Ave and 48 st.
3-3-7027 - 00:47 hours
FieldCom to Queens, URGENT! 3rd Alarm!
Engs. 277, 218, 216, 221
T106
Battalion 31
Battalion 35 (Staging Manager)
Battalion 33 (Air-Recon Chief)
Mask Service Unit
01:05 hours
LIRR reports they will attempt to shut down train traffic.
01:10 hours - Duration 1 hour 11 minutes
FieldCom: At your 3rd Alarm Box 7027, 56 Rd and 48 st, we have a corrected address: 57-02 49 st. Car 10 reports: We have 2 satellites in operation, we have 2 tower ladders in operation. We've had 2 minor explosions at the scene. They are setting up a foam operation. Handlines have been shut down right now, fire is Doubtful.
01:14 hours
As of 01:11 hours. LIRR confirms train traffic has been blocked.
01:17 hours
Air-Recon is airborned with a 5 minute ETA.
01:19 hours
FC: By orders of Car 10, special call a 3rd Satellite to the Box. Have him respond to the 49 st and 57 ave side of the incident, have him try to find a water source at that site, and have 2 Battalion Chiefs special called to the Command Post.
E9 w/ Satellite 1, Battalions 50 acting 46, 52 S/C
01:20 hours
Car 14C (Fire Marshal) is responding
01:33 hours - Duration 1 hour 34 minutes
FC: Progress Report for your 3rd Alarm Box 7027, at the address 57-02 49 st, Car 10 reports: making good progress with handlines using foam. A foam operation is still being set up using the Satellites. the Foam Tender. and the tower ladders. Still Doubtful.
02:02 hours - Duration 2 hours 2 minutes
FC: Progress Report for your 3rd Alarm Box 7027, at the address 57-02 49 st, fire in a cement plant. Car 10, Chief Butler reports: all visible fire has been knocked down. Extinguishing residual pockets of fire. We have 1 tower ladder set up standing by for foam operation. 1 tower ladder and 1 handline in operation at this time. Fire is Probably Will Hold Also be advised the 3rd alarm companies that were at staging are being released. They will go 10-8 when they're in their respective response areas.
02:08 hours
E324 requests the Shops to respond to 49 st and 56 Rd for a mechanical issue with Satellite 4.
02:12 hours
FC: Have the Buildings Dept respond to the 3rd Alarm, 1 silo was involved in the fire and they want to check the stability.
02:32 hours
Buildings Dept. reports a 1 hour ETA.
02:35 hours - Duration 2 hours 36 minutes
FC: Final Progress Report for your 3rd Alarm Box 7027, at the address 57-02 49 st, Car 10 reports the fire is now Under Control.

I'm in one of those departments still operating on 46.26, and will answer for us. I don't know what other departments' reasons are, but here's ours.
1. The trunking coverage here isn't perfect. On our mobile radios, we periodically get the "Out of Range" messages. This is attributed to the terrain we are in, with low valleys along the Croton River and on Route 9. Our upper village (Grand Street area) is also a weak area, not only for the trunking system, but even our own repeater. We have submitted these concerns in the past, I don't know if anything has been changed or adjusted.
2. If we do go to Fire 10, a concern we have is how would our members responding to the firehouses know if and when the rigs are responding, how would they hear updates and other important transmissions. I know some places have patched or linked their trunking talkgroup to an alternate frequency so guys can hear it, and this is an option we have been exploring.
3. There are times when our 3 Chiefs are not available to respond to calls, and/or the vehicles themselves are not available. Our Deputy Chiefs may be covering us, but they lack trunking radios. When we plan on leaving town for any extended period of time, we give our car to a Deputy Chief (or another Officer). Some have suggested giving them portables, but people have to realize the trunking system is designed to work with mobile radios. And at nearly $3,000 apiece, we can't afford to issue a mobile radio to every DC.
4. We've also discussed using another low band frequency, such as 46.06, for rig/control communications. Again, the issue comes up of our members hearing rigs responding and other updates. Luckily, most of our pagers are two frequency, and we might be able to make it work. The sole downfall in my eyes is that there is no tower in this area currently on 46.06. And if we have a Mutual Aid job, we're still going to be moving our IC to Fire 10, so it's almost not worth it.
5. We spent quite a bit of money a few years back to create our own repeater system on 46.26 and a stand alone ops channel. If we do anything, we want to incorporate these existing systems into any change we make, so as not to waste that money.
I hope that answers some questions.

Photos TR54

I thought it was time to get our brains back to work with a scenario. How about for this one, the nore experienced guys keep quiet for a while, and let the newer guys show their stuff.
This is what you see on arrival. It was reported as a "kitchen fire."
What can you tell us about this particular building,just by looking at the arrival picture?
Where is the kitchen.
And, if you've got the time "Was she a tall cow?

Went to photograph Greenville's new Squad 15 and thought I would share Greenville's whole apparatus fleet.
Squad 15 is replacing Engine 151.

As the IC, I rarely need any equipment other then the radios, a notebook and/or dry erase board. But Chiefs aren't always the IC, and sometimes we're the first ones on the scene and we need to do things ASAP. Some examples include MVAs where the trauma bag is needed, or small nuisance fires where the can is sufficent. Other equipment in our cars includes a set of irons, bolt cutters and binoculars - all of which get used.
To generalize that equipment isn't needed in a command vehicle is wrong. How department #1 works may be different than department #2.

Date: 9/12/10
Time: 16:25 hours
Location: 59-24 67 ave x Forest Ave
Frequency: FDNY Queens
Weather Conditions: light rain
Description Of Incident: fully involved 2nd floor on arrival
Reporters/Writer: ryang
Additional Info:
Ridgewood, Queens, NY, 9/12/10
Address: 59-24 67 ave between 60 st and Forest Ave
16:26 hours
Phone Box 4121 - Report of a structural fire
Engs. 291, 286, 277
L140, TL135
Battalion 28
16:27 hours
Now receiving multiple calls
E271
Squad 288
Rescue 4
10-75-4121 - 16:30 hours
L112 (FAST Truck)
Battalion 37
Division 14
2-2-4121 - 16:30 hours
E291: 2nd Alarm, we have a fully involved roof and 2nd floor!
Engs. 218, 319, 233, 206
E324 w/ Satellite 4
TL124, L176
Battalion 44 (Safety Officer)
Battalion 46 (Resource Unit Leader)
Safety, Rescue Battalions
Tactical Support 1
FieldCom 1, Command Tactical Unit
RAC2
16:33 hours - Duration 9 minutes
Battalion 28: 4121, we've got a fire on the 2nd floor of a 2 story frame. Fire's Doubtful, trucks are opening up, k. Approximately 25x50, k.
Exposures are:
1 - street
2 - 1 story garage
3 - unknown
4 - similar
16:34 hours
BC28: Have ConEd respond forthwith, we have electrical wires sparking, k.
16:36 hours - Duration 11 minutes
BC28: Fire is darkening down, trucks are opening up, fire remains Doubtful.
16:39 hours
The staging area is Forest Ave and Woodbine St
16:44 hours
FieldCom: 2nd Alarm Box 4121, can you put a notification to ConEd electric, we have overhead power lines that are affecting the operation, k.
16:45 hours
ConEd reports a 1 hour ETA
16:48 hours
FieldCom is 10-8, Division 14 is radio contact
16:49 hours - Duration 24 minutes
Division 14: Primaries are negative, all fire is knocked down, Probably Will Hold.
16:59 hours - Duration 35 minutes
DC14: Fire's Under Control.
Relocations:
E298/291, L154/140

Date: 9/10/10
Time: 00:30 hours
Location: E39 st x 3rd Ave
Frequency: FDNY Manhattan
Weather Conditions: cool and windy
Description Of Incident: fire through the roof on arrival
Reporters/Writer: ryang
Additional Info:
East Midtown, Manhattan, NY, 9/10/10
Address: 593 3rd Ave @ E39 st
Also affected: 200 E 39 st @ 3rd Ave
00:33 hours
Phone Box 753 - Report of fire from the roof of a restaurant
Engs 65, 8, 1
TL7, L24
Battalion 9

00:33 hours
E21, Battalion 8 re-directed in
10-75-753 - 00:34 hours
E21: 10-75, we have fire in a 1 story taxpayer, fire showing through the roof!
E16
L4 (FAST Truck)
Battalion 9 designated the "10-75 Chief"
Division 3
Rescue 1
Squad 18
7-5-753 - 00:37 hours
Battalion 8: We've got fire through the roof, can you send us another truck, k, All-Hands, send us a tower ladder, k.
TL21 S/C
RAC1
00:41 hours - Duration 9 minutes
Fire Building Height/Size-up:
Commercial 1 story 100x75 Taxpayer
Exposures are:
1 - street
2 - street
3 - 3 story MD
4 - 5 story MD
2-2-753 - 00:45 hours
Engs. 26, 14, 54
E207 w/ Satellite 6
L2
Battalion 6 re-directed in as the "Safety Officer"
Battalion 7 (Resource Unit Leader)
Rescue, Safety Battalion
Tactical Support 1
FieldCom 1

00:48 hours
Division 3: Command Post is set up on the corner of 3rd Ave and 39th st, have all units report in to the Command Post.
00:54 hours
TL12, L3, Battalion 10 S/C
00:55 hours - Duration 23 minutes
DC3: Box 753, the address 200 East 39 st, we have a taxpayer, 1 story, dimensions 100x75, fire's located on the 1st floor, possible extension through the roof and into the cockloft. We have 2 lines stretched in operation, 1st line to the 1st floor, 2nd to the roof. Primary searches are in progress. At this time the fire is Doubtful, k.
01:10 hours
The staging area is E41 st and 3rd Ave
3-3-753 - 01:12 hours
FC: As per the 3rd division, transmit the 3rd Alarm. We have a smoke condition in the basement, main body of fire has been knocked down, checking for extension, checking the integrity of the building. Also can we get an extra Battalion Chief on the 3rd.
Engs. 34, 3, 263 acting 5, 39
Battalions 35 acting 6, 1
Battalion 45 (Staging Manager)
Mask Service Unit
Car 1E (Commissioner's Liaison)
Car 13A (AC Richard Tobin, Assistant Chief of Fire Prevention)
01:21 hours
FC: I have a correction on the address: the address is 593 3rd, and that's a 100x25 on the dimensions. That's connected to 200 E39, and that's 50x100.
01:34 hours - Duration 1 hour 2 minutes
FC: Progress report on 3rd Alarm Box 753, AC Tobin, Car 13A, reports: he has heavy fire in the cockloft of 200 East 39. He's removed all members from the fire building. They are going to an exterior operation. Moving tower ladders around to put them into operation. Request 2 trucks to respond to the staging area.
TL9, L11 S/C
01:37 hours
FC: Also notify the utilities, gas and electric, to respond, to shut down supply to the building.
01:39 hours
Fuel Tender Unit is 10-84
01:42 hours - Duration 1 hour 10 minutes
FC: Progress report on 3rd Alarm Box 753, the address 200 East 39 st at 3rd Ave, AC Tobin, Car 13A, reports: All members have been removed from the building and the roof area. Tower Ladders are set up and in operation. Fire is still being caried as Doubtful. Roll call has been conducted and all members are accounted for.
01:52 hours
FC: At this time exposure 3 and exposure 4 have been evacuated.
01:53 hours
Battalion 39-Air Recon is airborne and has a 5 minute ETA.
01:55 hours
ConEd Gas reports on-scene
ConEd Electric reports an ETA of under 1 hour
02:22 hours
FC: Progress report for your 3rd Alarm Box 753, the address 200 East 39 st at 3rd Ave, 1 story 50x100. AC Tobin, Car 13A reports: 2 tower ladders in operation, 1 mult-versatile in operation, 1 hand line in operation. It's an.exterior operation All occupants have been accounted for. This is going to be a long term exterior operation. Still Doubtful.
02:24 hours
Receiving the address 235 E 39 st reporting smoke in apartment 3R
4-4-753 - 02:24 hours
Engs. 33, 28, 40, 22
E262 w/ IMT Unit
Battalion 4 (Planning Sections Chief)
02:28 hours
FC: Have 1 engine from the 4th Alarm respond to the southwest corner of 39 st and 2nd Ave to pick up a hydrant at that location
02:31 hours
Receiving the address 235 E 40 st reporting smoke in apartment 5B
02:33 hours
FC: Please special call 3 trucks to the 4th Alarm, have them respond to the staging area. Also you can turn around E262, the Planning Chief, and the Planning Vehicle.
T20, T5, L16 S/C
02:40 hours
Receiving the address 240 E39 st, apartment 8H, caller reports her apartment is "getting hot."
02:43 hours
FC: Units checked out 235 E40, 5B, it was odor of smoke from the 4th alarm.
02:45 hours
Car 12 (DAC Stephen Raynis, Chief of Safety and Inspectional Services) is responding

02:52 hours
Car 36B (Department Chaplain) is responding

02:56 hours
FC: Units checked 235 East 39, 3R, that was an odor from the 4th alarm. They also checked out 240 East 39, 8H, that was also an odor of smoke.
03:27 hours - Duration 2 hours 55 minutes
FC: At your 4th Alarm Box 753, the address 200 East 39 st, 2nd to 3rd Aves, Car 13A, AC Tobin reports: This is going to be an extended exterior operation. He's got 3 multi-versatiles in operation, 2 tower ladders in operation, 2 handlines in operation. Still trying to put out pockets of fire within the cockloft area, still Doubtful Will Hold.
5-5-753 - 04:18 hours
FC: At 4th Alarm Box 753, Car 13A, AC Tobin, would like to transmit a 5th Alarm for relief purposes, have them respond to the staging area. Also places this fire Probably Will Hold, this will be an extensive exterior operation. On the 5th Alarm can you give us the two trucks please.
Engs. 23, 44, 40?, 258
TL13, TL35?

04:51 hours
FC: Special call 1 Battalion Chief to the scene, he's going to replace the Safety Battalion. Also special call another RAC unit to the scene to replace the one we have.
Battalion 32 (Safety Officer), RAC3 S/C
04:59 hours
L30 (FAST Truck) S/C
05:18 hours
FC: we're going to need PD for security at the addresses 589 and 591 3rd Ave
05:56 hours
FC: Progress report for 5th Alarm Box 753, address 200 East 39 st, at 3rd Ave, AC Tobin, Car 13A reports: They are swapping out tower ladders. Still extinguishing pockets of fire. They're operating outside the collapse area. Conditions remain unchanged, this will be a prolonged operation. It will be Probably Will Hold still, and we will need 3 engines, 2 trucks, and 3 Battalion Chiefs for relief purposes.
Engs. 35, 4 15 S/C
TL1, TL22 S/C
Battalions 16, 3, 17 S/C
06:13 hours
FC: If you have one of those engines, have it come down 3rd Ave from above 40th st, and they will take the hydrant on 39th st and supply the Tower Ladder.
06:25 hours
FC: If you could raise the chiefs coming in on the 5th Alarm, just have them come into the Command Post.
06:59 hours
Tactical Support 2 is responding to relieve Tactical Support 1
07:05 hours - Duration 6 hours 35 minutes
FC: 5th Alarm Box 753, the address 200 East 39 st, AC Tobin, Car 13A, reports: still operating with 2 tower ladders, 2 handlines, and 2 multi-versatiles. There's a complete collapse of the roof area. Still trying to get to pockets of fire with some difficulty due to the complete roof collapse. Still an exterior operation, conditions remain unchanged, still Probably Will Hold.
07:20 hours
E23 reports a verbal for a manhole pushing black smoke at E 41 st and 3rd Ave
07:50 hours - Duration 7 hours 18 minutes
FC: Progress report for your 5th Alarm Box 753, the address 200 East 39 st off of 3rd Ave, at this time AC Tobin, Car 13A places this fire Under Control. Also reports this is an extensive hydraulic overhaul, he's going to need the use of an All-Hands assignment. We will look for that assignment for relief at 0900 hours.
Relocations:
Engines: 239/3, 292/14, 91/16, 47/21, 291/23, 237/26, 224/28, 73/44, 221/65
Ladders: 8/4, 110/5, 101/3, 31/13, 28/20, 26/24
Battalions: 57/1, 35/6, 46/7, 12/8

Now if we can get Somers to allow Westchester County to dispatch for them, we could get rid of the dispatchers we pay extra for and save a few (or more) bucks.