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Those "support" soldiers still have to qualify on the range, get thru chemical training and then while driving supply trucks they have had to fight, some being killed, other injured and some captured. They are placed in support rolls because that's where they are needed and that's where they will perform best, not because they are unwilling or unable to do it!

So then let's call it what it really is...
 
you ou have Firefighters and you have Firefighter Helpers.
 
i see too many departments that claim how many members they have, but they won't admit to themselves or the public they are sworn to protect when they do not have enough interior "firefighters" to actually do a search or make a real attack.

Those "support" soldiers still have to qualify on the range, get thru chemical training and then while driving supply trucks they have had to fight, some being killed, other injured and some captured. They are placed in support rolls because that's where they are needed and that's where they will perform best, not because they are unwilling or unable to do it!

Those "support" soldiers still have to qualify on the range, get thru chemical training and then while driving supply trucks they have had to fight, some being killed, other injured and some captured. They are placed in support rolls because that's where they are needed and that's where they will perform best, not because they are unwilling or unable to do it!

Those "support" soldiers still have to qualify on the range, get thru chemical training and then while driving supply trucks they have had to fight, some being killed, other injured and some captured. They are placed in support rolls because that's where they are needed and that's where they will perform best, not because they are unwilling or unable to do it!

So then let's call it what it really is...
 
you ou have Firefighters and you have Firefighter Helpers.
 
i see too many departments that claim how many members they have, but they won't admit to themselves or the public they are sworn to protect when they do not have enough interior "firefighters" to actually do a search or make a real attack.

Those "support" soldiers still have to qualify on the range, get thru chemical training and then while driving supply trucks they have had to fight, some being killed, other injured and some captured. They are placed in support rolls because that's where they are needed and that's where they will perform best, not because they are unwilling or unable to do it!

So then let's call it what it really is...
 
you ou have Firefighters and you have Firefighter Helpers.
 
i see too many departments that claim how many members they have, but they won't admit to themselves or the public they are sworn to protect when they do not have enough interior "firefighters" to actually do a search or make a real attack.

If your going to seriously compare numbers, most of the American population lives in urban areas and larger towns served by career or combo departments. Also, I would be willing to bet my next 5 pay checks on it that there are significantly more career firefighters than volunteer. Let me explain that one. You cannot say that a volunteer department in a small town that has 200 members in it, has 200 fire fighters. Stop the interior/exterior nonsense. No career department has an "exterior" FF. If you take the number of volunteer interior FFs and compare it to career, I think you'd be surprised. These towns should come out with the real number of people in their department who can pull you out of your house when it's on fire instead of saying they have hundreds of members "serving" their community . 
I have been an active volunteer FF for a couple of hours now, and a career firefighter for a few minutes. The biggest thing I have noticed is the hate of the volunteer FFs (who work somewhere else like say, FDNY) by Volunteer FFs. That's more of an issue than Union staff VS volunteers. Most likely, sorry but gonna say it, fuled by some level of jealousy . They can be their own worst enemy. 
 
Enjoy your day.
TYFYS

Yes the majority of departments are volunteer.
 
5 are career or if they have volunteers, they no longer respond to calls.
9 are combination with the majority of responders being career ( in some cases the volunteers are exterior only and only have a handful left)
4 are combination with the majority of responders being volunteer.
and Port Chester.
 
So their are more volunteer departments. But what do they protect?
 
the population of Westchester County is 972,634
 
434,622 people live in communities with the 5 career depts. (approximately 45%).
 
177,397 people live in communities with the combination depts. with mostly career response (approximately 18%).
 
Thats 612,019 people (63%)
 
The communities with the majority being volunteer are hard to calculate as they include fire districts that do not have census data, but it is totaled at no more than 360,615. (37%).
 
 
 

So then let's call it what it really is...
 
you ou have Firefighters and you have Firefighter Helpers.
 
i see too many departments that claim how many members they have, but they won't admit to themselves or the public they are sworn to protect when they do not have enough interior "firefighters" to actually do a search or make a real attack.

 
I think you and AFS1970 may be missing the point.  
 
I'm not questioning the value or appropriateness of having/using members in a VFD who are not interior qualified for whatever reason.
 
The description used was "fully qualified, completely trained and certified firefighters" which to me would describe members who are interior qualified and exclude members who previously were, but are not currently able to operate interior whether due to age, physical limitation, having a beard or whatever (i.e. not qualified).
 
I was commenting on the thought process that results in a (former) chief officer describing 9 members of the department who are not interior qualified as being fully qualified, completely trained and certified firefighters.
 
I would think that using "fully qualified" to describe a firefighter would imply the ability to perform a vital, core component of the position, like interior operations.
 
Like I asked, when did interior operations become a bonus skill set for firefighters rather than the standard?

So then let's call it what it really is...
 
you ou have Firefighters and you have Firefighter Helpers.
 
i see too many departments that claim how many members they have, but they won't admit to themselves or the public they are sworn to protect when they do not have enough interior "firefighters" to actually do a search or make a real attack.

"We have 31 fully qualified, completely trained and certified firefighters, 22 of which are also interior qualified,” said past assistant chief and 53-year member Bob Harford. "
 
I know there's differences from state to state regarding training and certification, but how can a department claim a member to be a "fully qualified, completely trained and certified" firefighter when that person is not "interior qualified"?
 
When did being "interior qualified" as a firefighter become a bonus skill set rather than the standard? 

It's not that the Chiefs "Did not save the jobs". It's that when the mayor said: "before we proceed with the budget amendments, is the fire chief ok with these changes?" Once the chief said yes, they moved forward with the budget change. 
 
They never said the words: "layoffs, fire department, career firefighters, etc. so they had already planned this out, because they were afraid to even mention it in front of the public. We all understand that at times the chief has to live with what's been given to them. But to not complain at all? Not to fight for your department? Not to simply agree that this is completely acceptable. Particularly when their has been a running battle for years.

The claim was budget issues. But layoffs save between $600,000 (the amount the budget was reduced by) and $800,000 (the amount the mayor later claimed it would save) and the $900,000 that "Ryebrook contributes" which would no longer be accepted means that eliminating the career staff would cost more money than it saves.
 
PC did the layoffs 
fails on the Mayor and village board of Port Chester 
the Chiefs were not removed
no other municipal layoffs or cost reductions
 

It's not that the Chiefs "Did not save the jobs". It's that when the mayor said: "before we proceed with the budget amendments, is the fire chief ok with these changes?" Once the chief said yes, they moved forward with the budget change. 
 
They never said the words: "layoffs, fire department, career firefighters, etc. so they had already planned this out, because they were afraid to even mention it in front of the public. We all understand that at times the chief has to live with what's been given to them. But to not complain at all? Not to fight for your department? Not to simply agree that this is completely acceptable. Particularly when their has been a running battle for years.

It's not that the Chiefs "Did not save the jobs". It's that when the mayor said: "before we proceed with the budget amendments, is the fire chief ok with these changes?" Once the chief said yes, they moved forward with the budget change. 
 
They never said the words: "layoffs, fire department, career firefighters, etc. so they had already planned this out, because they were afraid to even mention it in front of the public. We all understand that at times the chief has to live with what's been given to them. But to not complain at all? Not to fight for your department? Not to simply agree that this is completely acceptable. Particularly when their has been a running battle for years.

The claim was budget issues. But layoffs save between $600,000 (the amount the budget was reduced by) and $800,000 (the amount the mayor later claimed it would save) and the $900,000 that "Ryebrook contributes" which would no longer be accepted means that eliminating the career staff would cost more money than it saves.
 
PC did the layoffs 
fails on the Mayor and village board of Port Chester 
the Chiefs were not removed
no other municipal layoffs or cost reductions
 

 
LET THE PEOPLE DECIDE !!!!
 

Well the logic is, we need that many because we've always had that many. The problem is we need to call that many. I'm reminded of a room and content fire in the middle of the county about two years ago. A dozen departments responded.....for a simple room and content fire?  

Well the logic is, we need that many because we've always had that many. The problem is we need to call that many. I'm reminded of a room and content fire in the middle of the county about two years ago. A dozen departments responded.....for a simple room and content fire?  

Yes and still do.
 
Apparently if Isis gets their hands on flow data the region is doomed. National security says no one can know this info.

Yes the majority of departments are volunteer.
 
5 are career or if they have volunteers, they no longer respond to calls.
9 are combination with the majority of responders being career ( in some cases the volunteers are exterior only and only have a handful left)
4 are combination with the majority of responders being volunteer.
and Port Chester.
 
So their are more volunteer departments. But what do they protect?
 
the population of Westchester County is 972,634
 
434,622 people live in communities with the 5 career depts. (approximately 45%).
 
177,397 people live in communities with the combination depts. with mostly career response (approximately 18%).
 
Thats 612,019 people (63%)
 
The communities with the majority being volunteer are hard to calculate as they include fire districts that do not have census data, but it is totaled at no more than 360,615. (37%).
 
 
 

Yes the majority of departments are volunteer.
 
5 are career or if they have volunteers, they no longer respond to calls.
9 are combination with the majority of responders being career ( in some cases the volunteers are exterior only and only have a handful left)
4 are combination with the majority of responders being volunteer.
and Port Chester.
 
So their are more volunteer departments. But what do they protect?
 
the population of Westchester County is 972,634
 
434,622 people live in communities with the 5 career depts. (approximately 45%).
 
177,397 people live in communities with the combination depts. with mostly career response (approximately 18%).
 
Thats 612,019 people (63%)
 
The communities with the majority being volunteer are hard to calculate as they include fire districts that do not have census data, but it is totaled at no more than 360,615. (37%).