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Greenville,NY Fire Department (Orange) DISBANDED

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I was scrolling through Facebook just now and saw this post, from the Greenville Fire Department. It seems like so many local fire departments are disbanding lately, first Port Chester Career, and now Greenville. According to a source, the trucks were locked up in a chain link fenced in area at the firehouse, and that if members respond to any calls, they will be prosecuted and charged. PHOTOS ARE PROPERTY OF MONIQUE HOLOWACH. 

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I have heard rumors that there's a new fire department in Greenville and they were given all of Greenville's apparatus and equipment

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I think the brush truck/mini-pumper is over at the ambulance bay in the spare bay. Supposedly the new FD is building a fire house next to the ambulance bay, and the apparatus is being kept in the fenced in area until the fire house is built

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It sounds like there is much more to this story.

...and it is comprised of five members?

...and there is a new Fire Department?

...there is much more to this story.

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The "five individuals" in question refers to the commissioners of the Greenville Fire District.    There are (or were) 20+ members of the department.   

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4 hours ago, velcroMedic1987 said:

Prosecuted for what if they respond to calls?

 

Trespassing?  Unauthorized use of the emergency equipment / vehicles. Just guessing of course.  

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I don't think this is a domino effect.  From what I could pick up from reading a few newspaper stories, the Fire Commissioners for the Greenville Fire District and members of the Greenville Fire Department have fallen out of favor with each other.  The Fire Commissioners answer to the problem was to form another Fire Company, Mountain View Fire & Rescue to serve the town and build a new fire station to accommodate the new company.  One story mentions that some members of the Mountainview Company are 'disgruntled' ex-members of Greenville Fire Dept.  

 

I'm sure there is much more, more than I care to spend the time researching.  However, this appears to be, IMHO, a case of the general citizenry taking a back seat to the wants and wishes of a few protecting their fiefdoms and power.

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UPDATE: Mountain View Fire Company has taken over fire protection for the Town of Greenville. They are now operating with Greenville Fire District's former Apparatus .

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22 hours ago, jacko1026 said:

And so it begins...the domino effect...

Huh? Please explain..

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Is the station of the Greenville company owned by the company or the district?  I'm trying to understand why the district would allow apparatus to sit outside in the elements while they await a new home.

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8 hours ago, nfd2004 said:

 

 

Unless the fire service picks leaders who are not involved in protecting their own self image, and care more about the people they are assigned to protect, this kind of story will be repeated over again.

 

 

This is the same problem at every level of every government agency from local to national.  We can't seem to find 'leaders' more concerned with the people than with themselves.  Very sad, and I don't see it changing, ever.  

 

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As far as the leadership issue goes. Commissioners are elected by the general public. So if anything it is the public who needs to pick better leaders. Although the fire service doesn't often inform the public that there are commissioners elections

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6 hours ago, dwcfireman said:

Is the station of the Greenville company owned by the company or the district?  I'm trying to understand why the district would allow apparatus to sit outside in the elements while they await a new home.

According to what I found old news paper articles, I believe the station was owned by the fire company/department, and then the fire district was paying rent to store equipment and whatever else there, which was a source of contention between the two

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13 hours ago, FireMedic049 said:

"We have 31 fully qualified, completely trained and certified firefighters, 22 of which are also interior qualified,” said past assistant chief and 53-year member Bob Harford. "

 

I know there's differences from state to state regarding training and certification, but how can a department claim a member to be a "fully qualified, completely trained and certified" firefighter when that person is not "interior qualified"?

 

When did being "interior qualified" as a firefighter become a bonus skill set rather than the standard? 

 

I don't know the department involved so I am just guessing here. I will also add that i think any division between interior and fully certified is likely splitting hairs to beef up the rolls. However as a former volunteer, I am still fully trained and certified, however since I grew a beard right after leaving and haven't had the required type of physical in years of even gone near a drill field, it would be beyond a stretch to say I was interior qualified. Not that I couldn't get back into that state, but I couldn't be listed that way now.

 

I have never really understood the terms interior and exterior firefighter, simply because both the FF1 & FF2 classes I took covered brush fires and structure fires, So I am not sure how you successfully pass the class without being trained in both. I do think there is room for training in non suppression support rolls and for the most part certifying agencies have let this pass them by. However I would not call support personnel firefighters.

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I'm going to go out on a limb here and say that you are an exterior firefighter when you can still perform duties such as driving, organizing, setting up and supporting fireground equipment and operations but are not physically up to wearing SCBA, advancing an interior line or bailing out if need be, etc.

 

Or to put it another way, you can still help out and be of use even if you are older and maybe too out of shape to go inside to extinguish the fire.  That's not necessarily a knock, there are alot of functions to be performed at a fire and it takes a team effort.  Not every player can carry the ball. Somebody has to set up the play, hand off and block.

 

They didn't have the distinction between interior and exterior when I joined in the early 70's.  It came much later.

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FireMedic049, I hope I was able to convey the same point. I don;t think you should call people that can't go into a fire firefighters. I was just guessing at how the speaker was claiming someone who could not go in was "fully" certified but niot interior qualified.

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"From Tooth To Tail".  Are the supporting personnel in an army still called "Soldiers"?

Or only the ones firing the bullets?

 

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If not enough certified "INTERIOR FIREFIGHTERS" show up, who gets to go in and fight the fire or conduct searches in the early stages ? What is Plan B if that's the case. ?

 

How does that affect the "Two In/Two Out Rule" ?

 

 

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52 minutes ago, huzzie59 said:

"From Tooth To Tail".  Are the supporting personnel in an army still called "Soldiers"?

Or only the ones firing the bullets?

 

 

Weren't they called REMFS ?

 

Rear echelon mother (you know the rest)

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