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Very saddened by this news - from those that i know that knew him, there has been nothing but good to say. Reflecting on awful events like this i often think of this quote:
"In the final analysis, the question of why bad things happen to good people transmutes itself into some very different questions, no longer asking why something happened, but asking how we will respond, what we intend to do now that it happened."
At work i'll strive to be a better provider, think twice about being grumpy when a run comes over during meal or for something that seems trivial. At home, ill take special care to make sure those close to me know i love them. Thats the least i can do.
RIP Paramedic Joyner and thank you for all that you did in the short time you were here.

Very saddened by this news - from those that i know that knew him, there has been nothing but good to say. Reflecting on awful events like this i often think of this quote:
"In the final analysis, the question of why bad things happen to good people transmutes itself into some very different questions, no longer asking why something happened, but asking how we will respond, what we intend to do now that it happened."
At work i'll strive to be a better provider, think twice about being grumpy when a run comes over during meal or for something that seems trivial. At home, ill take special care to make sure those close to me know i love them. Thats the least i can do.
RIP Paramedic Joyner and thank you for all that you did in the short time you were here.

Very saddened by this news - from those that i know that knew him, there has been nothing but good to say. Reflecting on awful events like this i often think of this quote:
"In the final analysis, the question of why bad things happen to good people transmutes itself into some very different questions, no longer asking why something happened, but asking how we will respond, what we intend to do now that it happened."
At work i'll strive to be a better provider, think twice about being grumpy when a run comes over during meal or for something that seems trivial. At home, ill take special care to make sure those close to me know i love them. Thats the least i can do.
RIP Paramedic Joyner and thank you for all that you did in the short time you were here.

Very saddened by this news - from those that i know that knew him, there has been nothing but good to say. Reflecting on awful events like this i often think of this quote:
"In the final analysis, the question of why bad things happen to good people transmutes itself into some very different questions, no longer asking why something happened, but asking how we will respond, what we intend to do now that it happened."
At work i'll strive to be a better provider, think twice about being grumpy when a run comes over during meal or for something that seems trivial. At home, ill take special care to make sure those close to me know i love them. Thats the least i can do.
RIP Paramedic Joyner and thank you for all that you did in the short time you were here.

Very saddened by this news - from those that i know that knew him, there has been nothing but good to say. Reflecting on awful events like this i often think of this quote:
"In the final analysis, the question of why bad things happen to good people transmutes itself into some very different questions, no longer asking why something happened, but asking how we will respond, what we intend to do now that it happened."
At work i'll strive to be a better provider, think twice about being grumpy when a run comes over during meal or for something that seems trivial. At home, ill take special care to make sure those close to me know i love them. Thats the least i can do.
RIP Paramedic Joyner and thank you for all that you did in the short time you were here.

Very saddened by this news - from those that i know that knew him, there has been nothing but good to say. Reflecting on awful events like this i often think of this quote:
"In the final analysis, the question of why bad things happen to good people transmutes itself into some very different questions, no longer asking why something happened, but asking how we will respond, what we intend to do now that it happened."
At work i'll strive to be a better provider, think twice about being grumpy when a run comes over during meal or for something that seems trivial. At home, ill take special care to make sure those close to me know i love them. Thats the least i can do.
RIP Paramedic Joyner and thank you for all that you did in the short time you were here.

Very saddened by this news - from those that i know that knew him, there has been nothing but good to say. Reflecting on awful events like this i often think of this quote:
"In the final analysis, the question of why bad things happen to good people transmutes itself into some very different questions, no longer asking why something happened, but asking how we will respond, what we intend to do now that it happened."
At work i'll strive to be a better provider, think twice about being grumpy when a run comes over during meal or for something that seems trivial. At home, ill take special care to make sure those close to me know i love them. Thats the least i can do.
RIP Paramedic Joyner and thank you for all that you did in the short time you were here.

Very saddened by this news - from those that i know that knew him, there has been nothing but good to say. Reflecting on awful events like this i often think of this quote:
"In the final analysis, the question of why bad things happen to good people transmutes itself into some very different questions, no longer asking why something happened, but asking how we will respond, what we intend to do now that it happened."
At work i'll strive to be a better provider, think twice about being grumpy when a run comes over during meal or for something that seems trivial. At home, ill take special care to make sure those close to me know i love them. Thats the least i can do.
RIP Paramedic Joyner and thank you for all that you did in the short time you were here.

Very saddened by this news - from those that i know that knew him, there has been nothing but good to say. Reflecting on awful events like this i often think of this quote:
"In the final analysis, the question of why bad things happen to good people transmutes itself into some very different questions, no longer asking why something happened, but asking how we will respond, what we intend to do now that it happened."
At work i'll strive to be a better provider, think twice about being grumpy when a run comes over during meal or for something that seems trivial. At home, ill take special care to make sure those close to me know i love them. Thats the least i can do.
RIP Paramedic Joyner and thank you for all that you did in the short time you were here.

I think its more about how they coordinate things than anything - even before storms happen you see the convoys coming into town with pretty impressive amounts of resources. Its hard enough getting a mutual aid ambulance these days.

I think training is a good thing and i admire that you strive to keep yourself and your coworkers sharp. Personally, i keep a few books (have a great 12 lead book) in my work bag to read in the fly car, bus or station when things are slow. I also try to take out the sim man from time to time and a few of us practice crics and some advanced airway maneuvers (love working on the ice pick intubation technique). I like to think that these are good habits, but I'm not sure these are what we are talking about.
Im far from any sort of expert , but it seems to me that dealing with these sorts of issues is going to take a two pronged approach: 1) fix the structural decency, 2) correct the educational/skill decencies of providing care under these unique circumstances. These sorts of things are going to have to be multi-day or week long classes - not an hour long CME lecture - taught by law enforcement professionals who have direct experience in this sort of thing at facilities capable of putting providers through the paces.
Personally, i would love to take a course like this. Unfortunately, none of my jobs will pay for me to go, i would imagine the courses are expensive to pay out of pocket for, and taking a week off of work to go to these things will put a dent in my checking account i can't afford right now. This before we even start to talking about 1) how i would utilize my skills and who that would be with (many of these small village depts don't have any tactical elements to them) 2) how would i be covered in the event my services would be called on and if i get hurt who picks up the tab - and would my family be taken care of in the event that i was hurt and died (i already know the answer to that - its no).

I appreciate you bringing up these issues because they are a very large part of the issue.
The bottom line is there is no advancement in EMS - once you're a paramedic (at least in this area) you've more or less reached the ceiling. I'm not talking about being an FTO or senior medic for an extra 50 cents or buck an hour, either.
That said, i can't help but feel that you're not giving some of us on the EMS side the benefit of the doubt and chalking things up to laziness ( if i recall you are/were a medic, and I'm not arguing that there isn't laziness - there is an awful lot but there are an awful lot of lazy cops and firefighters too). I think the biggest problems with EMS in this area are structural. The entire system is plagued, its a decentralized patchwork of agencies who have little to no oversight and do what they please. If aurora happened here, we would still be waiting on ambulances. The fact it is, its never going to change here. No one wants to take the bull by the horns and tackle the issues. No politician wants to deal with the issue because the only real answer is to wipe the slate clean and established a more regional career system which will cost millions and tick off the volunteers. Maybe i'm jaded, but i just don't see it any other way.
In all honesty, this is why i'm looking to get out of this area and move down south. Down there being a paramedic is a career on par with being a firefighters and police officer - there are attractive benefits packages, line of duty protections, awesome advancement and educational opportunities and i don't need to work 100 hours a week to make ends meet.

Sounds like that they sent appropriate resources as they received updated from information from the PD units on scene. Also looks like the FD runs medic engines, so while it may have taken a few minutes to gather the transporting resources the victims were, i'm sure, being treated aggressively.
In all honesty, this is why 60 control needs to be the sole provider of dispatching and EMD resources for this entire county. I can't imagine the additional chaos decentralized communication would have added. Sad part is, it will take an event of this scale here to ever see that change happen.

Sounds like that they sent appropriate resources as they received updated from information from the PD units on scene. Also looks like the FD runs medic engines, so while it may have taken a few minutes to gather the transporting resources the victims were, i'm sure, being treated aggressively.
In all honesty, this is why 60 control needs to be the sole provider of dispatching and EMD resources for this entire county. I can't imagine the additional chaos decentralized communication would have added. Sad part is, it will take an event of this scale here to ever see that change happen.

Sounds like that they sent appropriate resources as they received updated from information from the PD units on scene. Also looks like the FD runs medic engines, so while it may have taken a few minutes to gather the transporting resources the victims were, i'm sure, being treated aggressively.
In all honesty, this is why 60 control needs to be the sole provider of dispatching and EMD resources for this entire county. I can't imagine the additional chaos decentralized communication would have added. Sad part is, it will take an event of this scale here to ever see that change happen.

Sounds like that they sent appropriate resources as they received updated from information from the PD units on scene. Also looks like the FD runs medic engines, so while it may have taken a few minutes to gather the transporting resources the victims were, i'm sure, being treated aggressively.
In all honesty, this is why 60 control needs to be the sole provider of dispatching and EMD resources for this entire county. I can't imagine the additional chaos decentralized communication would have added. Sad part is, it will take an event of this scale here to ever see that change happen.

Sounds like that they sent appropriate resources as they received updated from information from the PD units on scene. Also looks like the FD runs medic engines, so while it may have taken a few minutes to gather the transporting resources the victims were, i'm sure, being treated aggressively.
In all honesty, this is why 60 control needs to be the sole provider of dispatching and EMD resources for this entire county. I can't imagine the additional chaos decentralized communication would have added. Sad part is, it will take an event of this scale here to ever see that change happen.

Sounds like that they sent appropriate resources as they received updated from information from the PD units on scene. Also looks like the FD runs medic engines, so while it may have taken a few minutes to gather the transporting resources the victims were, i'm sure, being treated aggressively.
In all honesty, this is why 60 control needs to be the sole provider of dispatching and EMD resources for this entire county. I can't imagine the additional chaos decentralized communication would have added. Sad part is, it will take an event of this scale here to ever see that change happen.

Glad both Astorino and Cullen both found the time to get out for this, they never made it to the EMS awards. Congratulations to the graduates.

Glad both Astorino and Cullen both found the time to get out for this, they never made it to the EMS awards. Congratulations to the graduates.

Glad both Astorino and Cullen both found the time to get out for this, they never made it to the EMS awards. Congratulations to the graduates.

Glad both Astorino and Cullen both found the time to get out for this, they never made it to the EMS awards. Congratulations to the graduates.

Glad both Astorino and Cullen both found the time to get out for this, they never made it to the EMS awards. Congratulations to the graduates.

You better pray this never happens in Westchester. If it did, the EMS system - given thats what i know best - would collapse.

I don't get what all the craziness - on both sides - is all about. All this affirms is that we all apparently need to maintain health insurance or face a fine/tax. Either way, this is unoquivically ruined daytime TV on my day off.