MoFire390

You're right that the odds of getting a new CON anywhere in Westchester County are slim to none but your characterization that the commercial agencies are the reason why not is off base. Commercials are represented on REMSCO's but, as Barry pointed out in very small numbers, and their members are not permitted to vote on matters where there is a conflict of interest or they have a fiduciary interest. An executive from XYZ ambulance can't vote against 123 Ambulance if they're competitors. Conflicts of interest arise in these matters often and are the basis for many spirited debates.
The volunteer agencies have as much right to contest a CON if they are going to be affected by it. Eastchester, Larchmont and Mamaroneck could all object to another agency being started in their back yard. It's not strictly commercial opposition.
The process by statute only takes 60 days but appeals and other things could add time to that.
The arbiter of an appeal is an Administrative Law Judge in an Article 78 hearing. They are objective and hear only facts in evidence not speculation or rhetoric. They don't base their decision on commercial entities desires or competition.

You are correct in his chances, but not for the reasons you stated. There are 2 commercial, 1 vac and 1 ambulance district in the communities listed (L/M, MV, NR & P). All are dispatched by the municipalities (either directly or via 60 control). The data is public information and does not belong to the commercial services. The info needed is not how many calls are done, be it 1 or 1,000,000 what difference does it make, since the data you need is how many calls are not being covered or not being covered in a timely manor (as you are trying to prove need). Since 99% of the calls are being covered by ALS services within the national response time standards, you will not be able to prove need for another service (particularly one that is at a lower training level).
While much of what you have said about REMSCO's are true in many regions, the Westchester REMSCO has a specific number of seats dedicated to each type of organization (Commercial, VAC, Vol Fire, Career Fire, PD, Hospitals, Health Dept., etc.) and only 2 of the 30 voting members are allowed to represent commercial services. The Transportation Committee (who investigate CON requests) is chaired by a Sr. Law Enforcement Official (who does not work for any EMS agency). By NYS regulations, the committee has to investigate if their is need and if an additional service will hurt the existing services. Removing $2 million+ in billables and additional competition for volunteers in the region will hurt existing services. The Westchester REMSCO does not allow any members to vote if they have a financial incentive and we have seen member abstain in a number of CON issues based on this.
So unless your experience is with the Westchester REMSCO, you do not know what you are talking about.

Very common in the early CFs 1968 on but mid 70s most were getting autos Port Chester bought a 1970 CF from Pierce X Mount Kisco until the new rig was ready . The youngsters had a time with it, but us old farts would show off and not even use the clutch !

We had a mid-fifties ALF pumper with a three speed and gas motor. Most could drive it, but throw it in pump.....under the pressures of a working fire, now there was the challenge (not that I ever did it, it was a spare and we used it "sparingly"). But I used to think about the old timers and the fact that for EVERY rig they drove they had to master the art of PTO transfer with a manual shift. That was a savvy part of the craft of earlier firefighting, completely lost and forgotten with today's apparatus.

For the purposes of clarity and to avoid speculating on what the law actually states, below is the statute pertaining to assault on an EMS worker:
It is also possible that the charge filed was Assault in the 2nd Degree, also a felony, and that is quoted below:
The specific charge depends on the circumstances, the suspect's mindset and other factors. Given the nature of the charge, obviously one of these sections applied.

Seth, I can clearly see where your concern is but I have seen first hand that the respect is not there for first responders doing their job. While there may be a medical excuse for the behavior and I am sure her lawyer will exploit this whether there is or isn't one, there is no excuse for an assault on a person in the performance of their official duties. That is the reason that it was made a felony to assualt a EMS worker, firefighter, nurse, doctor, or bus driver (I am sure I forgot a few). It is a deterant to know you will not be getting a slap on the wrist if found guilty and that is the point presumed innocent until found guilty. But lets face it, even if the woman ends up with a medical or psychatric reason for her behavior the publicizing of her arrest has sent a message loud and clear to anyone else who thinks of assaulting an official in the performance of their duties. Lets not forget the Kennedy case that sent the other message that it is ok as long as you can explain your actions. Message sent is clear: "No excuses, hands off".

Hey guys. We finally got our new med truck back from striping. New design if anyone has seen the other truck pics I've posted. 2012 Expedition all Whelen Lighting.

Some photos I got at the parade...
(This photo is slighly blurry, sorry about that..)
Bedford Hills New E-199**edit** I also have a photo of 57, it's not very good, but if one of the BHFD members would like it, or anyone else, feel free to....PM!

If you want to apply to Empress, go to www.empressems.com and fill out the application, but you MUST then follow it up with a phone call to ext 3109 at the 888 965 5040# during business hours. Yes they are hiring, usually in groups of about 10, about every 3 weeks. There has been much hiring lately, to fill spots created by expansion into WMC. And there are always folks who don't work out when you hire a lot, so some spots need to be re-filled! They do get lots of apps, so the phone call is a must. Medic class will be graduating soon, so the medic students will be precepting, so their old EMT shifts will need to be filled. Good luck.

Hey guys to shed some light on the topic we went live with yonkers today. I had the pleasure of bringing one of our rigs down last night. The name of the facility is westchester assisted living and senior home. We have a total of 4 nursing homes we will be servicing. Any questions feel free to pm or post. Stay safe
Ken

Firebuff...excellent points and right on the point i was trying to drive home. Sending 2 & 1 may not be the right assingment in many places. You need to send the appropriate apparatus and manpower to each call. This is vastly different in the volunteer service.
Spartan...i was certainly keeping BFD in mind when posting. The original poster said that 2 Engines and 1 Truck should respond on all MVAs. Does BFD have a Truck? No. Also, should BFD send E160 AND E161 to an MVA? Probably not. BFD has a Rescue and a rescue-pumper to send to MVA's.
Am i missing what you are trying to get accross?
Dinosour...no, i am definately NOT saying a fire in a 5+ story building shouldnt get a 3 and 1 response. I was simply asking if the OP was implying the use of mutual-aid for many VFDs to be able to have such a response.
Also, lets face it; What good is 3 and 1 or 4 and 2 or whatever if theyre not filled with properly trained members?
I think the OP is thinking a City type response should be implimented in the "burbs." Could you have such response assignments? Sure you could, but only as good as the crews on theses rig's.
My major point was that many VFDs dont have the # of apparatus that the OP is suggesting should respond on certain alarms. Again, it comes down to individual needs of individual depts.

Hey all just wanted to let you all know about an even that I am holding in August. I am calling it "Ride For A Warrior" to support the Wounded Warrior Project. It cames prior to a situation that happened earlier this year with the passing of a good friend. I am still working out some details like where we will stop and where we will start from. The event is open for all cars/ trucks/ SUV's and Motorcycles. $20 for cars/trucks/SUV's and $10 for motorcycles. all pertcipents will recive a T-shirt and a window decal as a thank you for perticpation. Any questions please feel free to send me a PM.
Thanks stay safe
Ken

Who really cares what sex someone is? If that person can do the job they all better keep back and stay quiet. Then again "fire house politics" always says someone can do the job better.

Date: 3/27/12
Time:2300hrs
Location: 410 Benedict Ave (X Maple Ave) - Fire in Appartment #A2
Frequency: 46.26, Fire 14, Fire 12, Fire 10, EMS 14, FG8, FG6, TPD, MPEMS, OFD, DFFD
Departments on Scene: Tarrytown, Sleepy Hollow, Ossining, Elmsford, Dobbs Ferry, Ardsley, Irvington
Tarrytown FD Units: 2461 (IC), 2462, 2463, E76, E77, E79, E80, L37, TL78, U61
Sleepy Hollow FD Units: 2311, 2312, E86, TL38
Ossining FD Units: 2332, 2334, E97, L41
Elmsford FD Units: 2111, L55 (FAST)
Dobbs Ferry FD Units: 2091, E47
Ardsley FD Untis: 2011, 2012, L50 (FAST)
Irvington FD Units: 2201, 2202, 2203, E178, L36, R49 (Cascade)
Tarrytown VAC: 81B1
Sleepy Hollow VAC: 73B1
Irvington VAC Units: 64B2
Pleasantville VAC: 76B1, 76-05 (Rehab)
Mt. Pleassant Medics: 37M1, 37M2
Westchester DES Units: Bat 14, C&O Z3
Utilities: Con Ed
Various Units: Red Cross, FM-15, Tarryown PD
Standby Units at Tarrytown FD HQ: [Peasantville FD: 2372, TL5}, [Pocantico Hills FD: 2381, 2382, E189]
Standby Units at Sleepy Hollow FD HQ: [Croton FD: 2081, TL44]
Weather Conditions: Mostly Clear, 40 Degrees
Description Of Incident: Working fire in a 6 Story OMD, multiple lines stretched, minor injuries reported
Reporters: peterose313
Writer: firedude
2300hrs: 2461 reporting a high rise fire, fire is located in a second floor appartment
2302hrs: 2461 requesting 1 engine and 2 ladders to scene
2304hrs: Bat 14responding
2305hrs: 2311 requesting Ossining ladder to HQ
2305hrs: 2461 requesting addition mutual air engine
2305hrs: L55 and 2222 responding as FAST
2306hrs: E86 responding
2308hrs: Bat 14 on location
2308hrs: 2202 resonding
2308hrs: Ossining dispatched to relocate 1 ladder to Sleepy Hollow’s Beckman Ave HQ
2309hrs: 2203 assembling a crew
2309hrs: Pleastville TL5 and Pocantico Hills dispatched to relocate to Tarrytown FD HQ, 50 Main Street
2309hrs: L36 responding
2310hrs: 2382 responding
2310hrs: E86 on location
2310hrs: 2334 report L41 will relocate
2312hrs: 2381 responding
2312hrs: TL38 on location
2313hrs: 2202 on location
2314hrs: Bat 13 reports 2nd Floor fire in 6 story OMD, main body of fire K/D, Apartment is on “A” side of building, “A” side is south facing. Utilizing FG6, FG8 and Fire 14.
2315hrs: IC requesting 2202 to have crews search 3rd floor above fire
2317hrs: L36, 2203, E178 on location
2317hrs: IC requesting L38 to proceed to roof to open up
2317hrs: 2234, L41 relocating
2318hrs: E189 responding
2319hrs: 2461 requesting 1 additional ladder, C&O and Con Ed to scene
2320hrs: 60 Control enquiring whether they need a TL or straight stick?
2320hrs: 2334, L41 requested to scene, responding
2322hrs: Bat 14 requesting Ossining Units to respond via route 119, requesting 2 additional EMS units
2322hrs: Croton ladder requested to relocate to Tarrytown
2324hrs: Bat 14 confirms L55 on location operating as Fast
2324hrs: C and O zone 3 dispatched
2324hrs: 2382 on location
2225hrs: IC requesting 2 addition engines, 1 additional truck to respond to scene via route 119
2227hrs: 2461 fire is knocked down in apartment A2 searching and overhauling
2227hrs: Dobbs Ferry Engine dispatched to scene by DBPD
2228hrs: Ardsley ladder, Dobbs ferry engine and Ossining Engine dispatched by 60 Control
2328hrs: IC requesting Red Cross for approx 12 displaced
2328hrs: E97 awaiting crew
2329hrs: 2013 responding
2331hrs: IC requesting L50 to assume fast and relieve Elmsford Fast
2231hrs: 2091, E47 responding
2332hrs: 2334, L41 on location, crew to report to Command Post
2333hrs: L55 responding
2333hrs: 2372 and TL5 out at 50 Main St
2334hrs: 60 Control updates 2372, TL5, E189 2381 are relocated at Tarrytown FD HQ. 2081 TL44 are out at Sleepy Hollow
2338hrs: IC requesting L41 crew to assist in ventilation and entry on roof
2339hrs: 2201, 2202 on location
2340hrs: 2091, E47 on location
2344hrs: 64B2 on location
2345hrs: E97 on location, to go to Command post with Forcible entry tools
2345hrs: 2332 on location
2349hrs: 2081 and TL44 out at SLFD HQ
2349hrs: Bat 14 reports E47 to work, L50 for relief, Greenburgh Fire Marshal (FM-15) on location
2349hrs: C and O enroute, Red Cross gathering
2355hrs: Pleasantville EMS Rehab responding
2359hrs: Emergency Alert received from 2462
2359hrs: 2461 reports 2462 alert was accidental
0000hrs: 76-05 requested to enter via route 119, to set up in lot by command post
0001hrs: IC requesting cascade to scene, U44 OOS, requesting Irvington rescue
0004hrs: IC reports L50, E97, E178 back in service
0012hrs: R49 responding
0016hrs: L50 returning to service
0017hrs: L36, L55 returning to service, C&O on location
0019hrs: R47 on location
0019hrs: E178 back in service
0021hrs: L36 back in service
0021hrs: 76-05 reports they need an ambulance for an injured firefighter, Irvington VAC to transport
0031hrs: E47 can return to service, IVAC to report to command post
0038hrs: 64B2 to return to command post IFO 412 Benedict Ave
0038hrs: 64B2 to remain in service at scene, another EMS unit is transporting per Bat 14
0038hrs: E86, TL38 can return per IC
0040hrs: E47 returning to the village
0041hrs: 2091 returning
0043hrs: 64B2 transporting 3 patients and 1 passenger to Phelps, all BLS
0052hrs: 64B2 out at Phelps
0053hrs: IC releasing Ossining ladder per Bat 14
0101hrs: 3212 back in service, 2313 to remain in service with the units in Sleepy Hollow
0102hrs: R49 can return per IC
0109hrs: L38, E79 and E76 back in service
0110hrs: Pleasantville VAC rehab has been released per IC
0112hrs: 2202, 2232, 2334, L41, R49 back in service
0116hrs: 2381, E189 back in service
0117hrs: 2081, TL44 back in service
0119hrs: R49 back in HQ
0123hrs: U61 back in service
0126hrs: 2461 releasing L37 from scene, can release standby units when they return
0128hrs: All mutual aid units clear, Tarrytown picking up, C&O have completed investigation, residents being allowed back in, bat 14 in service
0133hrs: Pleasantville VAC units in service
0134hrs: E80 back in service
0134hrs: Pleasantville FD units clear, returning to service
0138hrs: 2461 terminating command, all units clear!
0151hrs: 64B2 clearing hospital, returning to quarters
**If you have any info, Please try to PM me. I may have made a few mistakes with the forum changes

Date:3/26/12
Time:2117
Location: 43 Ackerman St
Frequency:
Units Operating: City of Beacon, BVAC, Village of Fishkill FAST, Glenham, Rombout, Hughsonville FAST, TransCare, Mobile Life, Philipstown w/ medic, Putnam EMS (Idk), DC FID, CC17
Weather Conditions: Windy
Description Of Incident: Second alarm fire w/ victim inside
Reporters:
Writer: Jason S
Beacon BVAC and Village of Fishkill FAST for a structure fire with a person trapped
Poss 3 victims inside per DC 911
2 1/2 story with fire on second floor extending to attic
Command give me another FAST V/Fishkill will be going to work
1 victim pulled from 2nd floor 2 still inside
Second alarm- Glenham engine to relocate to Beacon St#2 Rombout 62-45 relocate to Beacon HQ
Hughsonville FAST to scene
2125-BVAC Second ambulance and ALS to scene
2133-TransCare w/ ALS to scene
2135-Mobile Life to scene/TransCare unavailable
Philipstown w/ medic disp
3 victims being treated
2152 - 28 Liberty St smoke condition in area Glenham disp from standby
2153- DC FID to scene
Mobile Life received a walk up patient /no amblance on scene for standby
1 victim with burns to back and forehead
1 victim with possible burns to respiratory tract
Unknown status of third victim
2215- Secondary search done/ No more victims found only the original 3
2358- DC 911 reports Rockland County canine enroute

My third Child left from Purdys NY today to head up to Albany to a 5 year stint in the US Army, she is going to Missouri for Boot Camp and AIT training to become a M P. Her Mother and I are extremely proud of her , she has been a member of Somers FD since she was 16, she has completed EMT and FF 1 and 2 and Safety and Survival. ( She is 20) I want to wish her all the best as well I want to keep her in our thoughts and prayers. I also wish to Thank all who have and are currently serving THANK YOU for all you are doing and have done for this great country we all live in.
Jim and Gina Arena
God Bless America

Stupid f'ing bystanders always have so much to say. So quick to make complaints about effort and time. Did one of them get a fire extinguisher from the store they were in and try to help out? Stupid cowards, hiding in a store front talking about something they know nothing about. IE: "Why is there only one fire department person?" The name is a firefighter idiot not a fire department person.

Date: 3/12/12
Time: 1230 Hrs
Location: Croton Ave at Sassinoro Blvd
Frequency: Multiple
Units Operating:
Mohegan FD - 2 Engines (252/258), Chiefs (2261, 2266, 226-40)
LZ Detail - 226-42 (LZ Command), 2268, E253
Mohegan VAC - 3 Ambulances (69B1-69B3)
Cortlandt/Peekskill Paramedics - 4 ALS Units (39M2, 35M1, 35M2, 3511)
NYSP - Patrols (3K42, 3K57, 3K47, 3K41), BCI (5K24, 5K114, 5K115, 5K113), Collision Reconstruction (5K35), Aviation (1H18), Zone Commander (3K1), Duty Sgt (3K48), Duty Zone Sgt (3K55)
WCPD - Patrols (1A and P/SRO)
Peekskill FD - Engine 132 to MFD Station 1
Peekskill VAC and Yorktown VAC - 1 Ambulance each on S/B
Con-Ed Emergency
Weather Conditions: Nice
Description Of Incident: Single vehicle PIAA, first crashed through a Utility Pole, then became airborne, finally crashing into a tree. (1) Subject ejected. (2) others heavily entrapped with prolonged extrication. All three transported to WCMC in critical condition.
Reporters: PFDRes47cue, FF398, CG206 (O/S)
Writer: INIT915 (O/S)
Update from CG206:
2266 (IC) until arrival of 2261 approx. 1312hrs
Res-Q Jacks and cribbing used to stabilize vehicle
Hurst cutters, spreaders and rams operating
All patients removed from embankment by utilizing stokes basket and ropes
** It was a hectic scene, so if I missed any units or you can provide additional, PM me.

been away for a while but thought I'd pop back and share this with you

funny you should ask British Transport Police are in the process of setting up a 100 man armed suport unit, so will have there own tactical team
these guys won't carry as only the driver s a police officer (yellow vest) the guys in orange are all civilian engineers who will work alongside the police, fire rescue and ambulance staff after 7/7 and the inquiry a few new units were setup to deal with mass casulty events in and around london

London Fire Brigade have USAR - Urban Search & Rescue

London Ambulance have HART - Hazardous Area Response Team

Met,City & BTP have under various names a CBRN response capibility and in the mets case the only non military EOD team in the country
this unit has been around in one form or another for years, perviously it was staffed totally by civilians with no Blue light authority, they got round this and the law by assigning a police driver and repainting the vehicles with the word police covereing the section of the legislation for "police purposes"

On Sunday March 4,2012 the Continental Village Fire Dept. Responded mutual-aid to Putnam Valley who was operating a structure fire at Putnam Valley Park.

Date: 03-01-12
Time: 0949hrs
Location: IFO 19 Bradhurst Ave
Frequency: 46.26
Units Operating: Hawthorne Fire & EMS, 36-Medics, Thornwood R75, WCPD
Weather Conditions: Rainy
Description Of Incident: MVA w/Pin
Reporters:
Writer: BFD1054
0949hrs-60-Control dispatching Hawthorne Fire & EMS, 36-Medics to the above location for the MVA. 60 advising that as per WCPD on scene, confirmed entrapment.
0951hrs-Hawthorne re-dispatched; E155 requested to the scene.
0955hrs-60 Control dispatching Thornwood; request for R75 to respond to the scene in Hawthorne, additional Hurst tools needed.
1000hrs-Hawthorne re-dispatched; additional personnel still needed.
1023hrs-Hawthorne; 2nd call in district, Valhalla & Thornwood R75 mutual-aid; 26 Linda Ave, Hawthorne-Cedar Knolls School, odor of gas on the #2 floor.
*times are approximates
**anyone with further, please PM me.

Date: 02-28-12
Time: 0428hrs
Location: 25 Chester Ct c/s Harrison Dr
Frequency: 46.26
Units Operating: Montrose, Buchanan, Verplanck, Mohegan FAST, Cortlandt VAC
Weather Conditions: Dark/Cold
Description Of Incident: Working Fire
Reporters: texastom941, Newsbuff
Writer: BFD1054
0428hrs-Montrose dispatched to the above address for the unknown type fire. Buchanan & Verplanck to stand-by in quarters.
04:34 PER 2551 FULL CREW IN QTRS
04:36 PER 2273 ON SCENE 10-75
04:37 MOHEGAN FAST, BUCHANAN CASCADE, CCVAC, BAT10, DISPATCHED TO SCENE
04:40 PER COMMAND REQ AN AMBULANCE INITALLY BUT WOULD ALSO LIKE THE REHAB UNIT FROM CCVAC ASWELL
04:42 PER COMMAND ADVISES FIRE ON THE EXTERIOR OF A 3 STORY 35x45 WOOD FRAME DWELLING
04:44 PER COMMAND EXTERIOR FIRE KNOCKED DOWN CREWS ENTERING TO CHECK FOR EXTENSION
04:47 PER COMMAND REQ C&O TO THE SCENE
04:48 CCVAC RPTS THEY ARE UNABLE TO STAFF THE REHAB UNIT
04:55 PER COMMAND UPDATE 3 LINES STRETCHED 1 IN OP ON THE EXTERIOR ALL FIRE KNOCKED DOWN NEGATIVE EXTENSION PROB. WILL HOLD WITH UNITS ON SCENE WILL ADVISE IF FAST IS STILL NEEDED
04:55 PER COMMAND CANCEL THE FAST W/THANKS
***Big thank you to newsbuff for times/info!

Pants, boots, gloves, helmet....I mean we could get those flannel pajama looking things you left coasties wear...I'd look good in a trojan man helmet I'm sure.

Thanks all for the input thus far.
SECTMB has answered the questions almost verbatim to my own views. Thats said I think there are variables here that expand the situation from the political to the geopolitical. Both Russia and China have vested interests in Iran, not the least of which being weapons sales. Added to that is the fact that both Russia and China have become more bellicose in their dealing with us recently. Now of course the risk to China in terms of losing it's primary trading partner are enormous, but as in times past a costly war in terms of lives and money can bring new powers to the forefront....think the U.S. after WW I as the European empires started to crumble or go bankrupt. And of course the vast majority of the products we rely on now come from China thanks to those who sold out our manufacturing base to line their own pockets. When push comes to shove the risks may be viewed as acceptable if it causes a retreat of American influence and power around the world, leaving a vacuum that both China and Russia would be more than happy to fill. So much so that they may view direct involvement as in their best interest. But far more likely I think would be either Russia, China or both using Iran as a proxy to drag us into a long, costly war unlike anything we've seen since WW2 opening the door for them to pursue their own geopolitical aims without our interference.
Then of course there is the spectre of jihad that would undoubtedly be called as the major supporter and sponsor of Islamic fundamentalist groups comes under attack by the "Great Satan" or our "lackey" Israel. It is almost assured that whether Israel is directly involved or not they will be a target just as they were in the first Gulf war. Except this time the enemy is far larger than Iraq and has it's tentacles firmly pulling the puppet strings of the myriad of terrorist groups operating in Gaza, the West Bank, Syria and Lebanon...all of whom want to see Israel wiped from the face of the earth. This also leads to my question about a 9/11 type attack here at home. It may not be the Iranians themselves, but more likely their proxies that plan and try to carry out massive terrorist acts on our soil to help their benefactor.
What we must also remember is that as far as Iran is concerned a de facto state of war already exists between us. They may soon find themselve more alienated and going broke and thus becoming more desperate and reckless as their options dwindle. As a student of history I can see that although very different this situation does bear more than a passing similarity to the state of the our relations with Japan prior to Pearl Harbor...and it was oil then too that was the catalyst for war.
I do not advocate war as the first means to resolve the crisis, but I do support entering into it to protect ourselves or prevent attacks against us. Should Iran aquire nuclear weapons, how long do you think it would be before a terror group got hold of a bomb, put it on small boat and eradicated southern Manhattan? IMO a nuclear armed regime in Iran that has called for the extermination of Israel, denies the Holocaust, and is a sponsor of worldwide terrorist activities, of which we are the main target, is an unacceptable alternative....even if that means war.
Cogs