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Another great looking Maxim tiller. White Plains Ladder 1. I believe this pic was taken at a parade in Nassau County. I guess back in the day rigs from Westchester and Nassau would attend each other parades more then they do today. Love the "bubble" window in the tiller cab.

I love Maxims, and the semi open cab looked great especially on tillers. Here is a delivery photo from Maxim of New Rochelle Ladder 2.

What would be interesting is if someone has a photo of this rig towards the end of its career. We can compare the different looks it had from untouched delivery fresh to years of fire duty and additions and modifications made by the department that ran it.

Next time New Rochelle, White Plains, and Peekskill.

Village of Mamaroneck 1963 Seagrave Engine 39 photo by Glenn Vincent

Village of Mamaroneck 1972 Mack CF Engine 41 photo Glenn Vincent

Hastings on Hudson Eng.3 a Seagrave Anniversary series Engine.

A friend of mine passed away a few months ago and his family gave me his collection of photos. There are boxes filled with photos, negatives, slides and manufacturer delivery photos. Going through it and scanning the good stuff I see there is some Westchester stuff. I'm going to put the good quality stuff up in this thread. He did a lot of photo buying/ trading so if there is a photographers name on the slide I will post it along with the image. First up is a 1964 ALF tiller from Hasting on Hudson.....Ron Bogardus photo.

Nice Olds! I'm an Olds man myself...... I own a 1972 Hurst/Olds hard top with factory moon roof. 50,625 original miles. Bought it from the Original owner in 1990. I will get some pics to post. I also owned a 1970 Cutlass S, 1972 Cutlass Supreme, 1976 Cutlass Supreme and a 1979 Hurst/Olds.

I consider myself a Hurst historian, or "Hurstorian" and this is the same company that created the Hurst Tool. Among 100's of vintage Hurst items I have George Hurst's personal photo album of the very first Hurst Tool demo in Washington D.C.

Our Dept has been using 2 inch hose for almost 10 years now. Our Dept likes it, we started out with rubber hose but switched over to canvas about 3 years ago. 2 inch and 2 1/2 inch attack hose. The only 1 3/4 we use is for trash lines. No booster hose on any 1st line Engine.

Carl Thuge was the long time salesman for the area I think. And he is still selling fire trucks not sure the company though. Spartan maybe? Not sure of the Mack dealer I know they were built in LI City for a long time.

Tier 1 was in place until the early 1980's

Tier 2 was in place until Jan. 1 2010

Tier 3 & 4 were for teachers and other non uniform positions and did not affect FD/PD

Tier 5 was in place from Jan. 1 2010 to March 31, 2012.

Tier 6 was put in place to "save millions" on top of what tier 5 was to save. but for tier 5 to save what it was designed to do requires 20+ years according to the controller. While Tier 6 may save a little more, the politicians were able to claim multi millions each time.

I had you in mind sir when I posted this I knew you would have the answer. And you are right I forgot about the FD/PD having a different tier structure then other civil service in NY State. Thanks for the info.

Interesting that this Mack and the last Mack CF with a Mack body also went to a NY area Dept. Westbury NY took delivery of the last all Mack built CF in 1984. NY was a Mack state for sure.

McDonalds.

Locations around the world.

Don't laugh there are a lot of "Mc Millionaires" who worked their way up from the griddle in that company. While taking a leadership/management class years back McDonalds was a company model we looked at.

FL, TX, PA, NH, WA, TN and about 6 other states have no income tax and also no pensions. NYS is now at Tier6 for pensions. In 5 years in went from Tier 2 to 6. Sad and many states are like this now. Anyone in Tier 3 and up lost out on a lot. But I guess they can't miss what they never had. Unions losing pensions, benefits and money. In some if not most of the above states FOP is their union in a lot of places to protect them. It's all about test taking and maybe you should practice test taking and take some classes.

NYS did not go from tier 2 to 6 in 5 years. It went from 5 to 6 in a short amount of time, not sure maybe a year. Prior people were hired at a level tier 4 from the early 90's to only a few years back. Not 100% sure but im close.

There's a difference between bashing and stating an opinion. Given the chief's expertise on the subject, he is more than qualified to render an opinion on the subject that he spent most of his life doing.

I agree there is a difference between bashing and opinion.

But when the man (TFD141) ends his post with "I usually don't answer requests on this site as it seems anything a volunteer does on this site is no good and eventually turns into a bashing and pissing match." and the very next post says "Did he just wake up out of a coma? Do they take that long to respond? I think that's bashing and proves his point.

In the end I guess its what kitchen table you sit around, we will agree to disagree. Be safe all.

The only Fire Departments NOT dispatched by 60 Control full-time (at least the last time I worked) were Dobbs Ferry, Elmsford, Fairview, Hartsdale, Hastings, Irvington, Mount Vernon, Ossining, Somers, Tarrytown, White Plains, Yonkers & Montrose VA.

EMS Agenices that do not get full-time dispatch from 60 Control are White Plains, Yonkers, Mount Vernon, Yorktown Medics, Ossining Medics, Mount Pleasant Medics, Montrose VA, Ardsley, Dobbs Ferry, Elmsford, Greenburgh PD, Harrison, Hastings, Irvington, Sleepy Hollow, Ossining, Pleasantville, Port Chester/Rye/Rye Brook, Scarsdale, Somers, Tarrytown, Valhalla & Yorktown.

Why an agency doesn't seek county dispatch - that's their choice. In many cases departments have valid reasons to stay with their own way of doing things. For others, it's a lack of understanding the advantages offered to them.

Want my opinion on the whole system.... Send me a private message...

Chief ....of the NOT full time departments how many are done by local PD's.

This used to be a problem in Nassau but over the years all the PD's have relinquished the FD dispatch to the County except for the Lynbrook FD. But in their case whomever gets the alarm first transmits, then the county takes over the rest of the alarm and re-alerts if needed.

In Nassau there are 69 responding FD's. County does 38 full time, 39 if you count the Lynbrook case. The other departments have their own dispatcher or are dispatched by another single fd dispatch such as 650 the North Bellmore FD dispatches for North Bellmore, Bellmore, Merrick and Lakeview FD's.

County also does the initial dispatch if the alarm comes through via 911 for 5 of those departments. They alert once then follow up with a phone call and the local dispatcher takes the rest of the alarm.

wow - it took almost 4 years to answer that question! - Did he just wake up out of a coma? Do they take that long to respond - lol - I stand by my original assesment - the emperor has no clothes!

You just made his point by bashing LOL.

Ossining needs dispatchers to handle there announcements like rigs out of service and special events like parades and other things that go on within Ossining FD I would think that 60 would not be able to handle that part of the dispatching.

I always thought Ossining transmitted the alarms as well, and handled the truck to truck responses to alarms during this period. I can understand PD or 60 banging out the original alarm if they get it but I thought OFD took the call from there.

Ossining had part time fd dispatchers during the "busy" hours 7-10pm weekdays which is pretty unique, is this still in effect?

Thanks for the info guys.

I saw a promo of a new series by FOX this fall...Sleepy Hollow, about the headless horseman and what not. Was some of this series filmed in the town of Sleepy Hollow? Were certain locations used? It is suppose to take place in the present day, I saw some police officers who play prominent roles in the series, are the PD uniforms similar to the real Sleepy Hollow PD?

One more fact: Many Long Island FD's have large percentages of FDNY members. Thus, a higher standard of firefighter is responding on the NYC aid request.

FDNY members are not allowed...or I should say are discouraged from taking part in these relocation drills. No FDNY F/F's go, nor EMT's, Alarm dispatchers or other employed persons of FDNY that may have to be activated into duty should something happen. Retired are ok. If this was the real thing they would be going to their FDNY companies and not responding in with their volunteer companies.

I know this happened on 9-11, volunteer companies with FDNY guys took the volunteer rig in to Manhattan, but this plan should, or it is hoped that the plan will eliminate a freelance response. I hope we never get to find out.

c) FDNY will never train or call vcolunteers. That's a fact and you know it.

And to say most depts in westchester did not meet standards, I want to see what departments. I have worked with FDNY ( Internal ) and I have never been in a meeting where Volunteer firedepartments were thought of. Even during 9/11 ( may all responders rest in peace, and protect their families ) Department from other states came that were paid/ union depts

a) FDNY radios and the new 911 system suck. Never mind other depts coming to the city. I been to 911 dispatcher cener you need a bottle of advil and a hammer to stop the headaches you'll get with all the confusion and radio static over the air

Nassau County conducts "mobilization" drills on a regular basis with FDNY, about 2 a year. Next one is scheduled for Sept. Nassau sends units (Engines and Ladders) into Queens and Brooklyn. They go to pre planned assigned firehouses according to the mutual aid plan, drill have lunch and come back to county. This includes the fire marshals haz mat units and fire communications fieldcom unit on certain details.

We are slowly heading towards no FD service. Unless you get kids in high school to start training we will soon enough not be able to find someone with the time to attend 140 hours of training just to get on the backstep, and they still won't know a thing! In my experience most if not every new member has been extremely hungry and willing to train their hearts out. I don't see what has changed since 1994 when I took essentials. If anything now we are better off and not because of training but because all of the advances in protective equipment and concentration on mask design and so forth has allowed us much better protection.

Interesting. I have thought about this myself. Having a 17 year old senior who has aspirations of joining the local volunteer Fire Dept when they turn 18 be allowed to take a FF 1 course their senior year. Most seniors have half days as it is with their schedules I'm sure something like this could be worked out. Interesting concept.

Yes they do, a 75' Mack tower ladder. I think this is more about getting a NEW rig compared to the height or any other issue. Also, they have 2 75' tower ladders (Mount Hope and Otisville) and a 100' tower ladder (Slate Hill) bordering the district, so is it really financially prudent for them to get a new ladder, even if they need it, or just start using mutual aid?

Didn't see this post. KEEP THE MACK. Refurb it again.