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You most likely won't see that for years since there is no money for that at this time; particularly with political parties demonizing public sector workers salaries and benefits.
Should the economy improve to a point where the county can "sell" it to the public, then maybe. Eitherway, I wouldn't get your hopes up to soon.

Probably the same reason you see IAFF union stickers on the windows/bumpers on some fire apparatus. Its recognition of who you are.

Probably the same reason you see IAFF union stickers on the windows/bumpers on some fire apparatus. Its recognition of who you are.

Probably the same reason you see IAFF union stickers on the windows/bumpers on some fire apparatus. Its recognition of who you are.

With all due respect and I mean that sincerely, there is no probably about it. And yes while you did not say the volunteers are "wrong" in so many words that is the insinuation of much of what has been said and written.
In some respects yes, I suppose our legal standing could be considered a "bargaining chip", but for that to matter there has to be willing partners to bargain with. In another respect one could say that the "bargaining chip" is currently being used by the fact that the VFDs are excercising their legal authority to merge and are therefore possibly infuencing the outcome.

Again the same coud be said of the SFRD and Union leaderships. What steps have they taken to show that they are "seriously interested in definitively solving the matter" with, not in spite of the VFDs? And I am well aware of the process for a Charter revision and in no way use that as an excuse. The fact is a 2/3 majority can be a difficult thing to achieve and harder still when there is no unity shown by the parties affected on what that change will entail or ultimately cost.
Here again I know for a fact that offers have been made by the VFDs to sit down and discuss a compromise of the "control" issues. Those offers have gone unanswered and the same response forthcoming, SFRD must be in control period. There is another aspect to this when talking about control. The VFDs are not seeking control or a role, they don't need to...they already have it legally. It is the other "side" that seeks to change that fact. It has been stated many times by various members of the volunteer sector that the idea of standardized requirements is not a new one nor is it one the volunteers are opposed to. In fact that will be the case once the 4 become 1. But for that standardization to work the volunteer officers must be an integral part of the command structure of whatever department(s) emerge, not just in "control" of volunteer personnel only. Equal standards equate to equal responsibility do they not. I agree that there must be compromise but that must come from both ends. Thus far it hasn't. Cogs

How much he paid is irrelevent; the fact is that he knows what his terms and conditions of employment are; that he knows what his benefits package will look like knowing that the employer cannot just decide to "change" things in midstream; he know's what his base level of pay and how much of a raise he'll get every year so he can financially plan for down the road; he know's if there is going to be a layoff, there is a system in place which determines who is laid off and how; he knows that if an issue comes up in the workplace, there is a mechanism to address it up to and including arbitration if the union and employer cannot agree on a resolution; he knows if he's hurt in the line of duty that he'll have his salary and medical coverage continued according to the terms of the labor agreement; he knows that when he has reached retirement age he'll be able to retire with a living wage so he won't have to depend soley on social security to live off of for the rest of his life.....I could go on, but maybe you see the big picture. You on the other hand most likely work non-union and as such have no guarantees; just taxes and death.
I know your kind of young yet and have a long way to go in your career(s) but try to be open minded rather then condeming something you really have no idea about.
Read up on the history of the labor movement in this country and the contributions they have made and are continuing to make. You might actually change your position to one of appreciation for what the labor movement has done for this country and will continue to do.

In this particular example you're referring to the Harrison PD and discussing this is not bashing. It was published in the Journal News in September 2010 and is a matter of public record. The issue was courses taken by a single officer not related at all to his employment. One officer, one year out of how many for how long? How about all the officers who got bachelor's or graduate degrees and use them in their service to their town? You're condemning all tuition reimbursement or educational programs because of the conduct of a single officer. Sounds like you're saying one bad apple spoils the bunch and that simply isn't true.
How much money is spent by Harrison on college courses for employees? I doubt they're paying full-price for courses at colleges located in their town. More than likely the town receives substantially discounted rates and the college gets a tax deduction for providing them the opportunity. The net result is a negligible cost to the taxpayer so even if a phys ed or dance class is taken it isn't an abuse of public funds or breach of the public trust.
Instead of directing your animosity at hard-working public employees, why don't you rally against the free education, free cable TV, free "gym membership", free medical and dental care being provided to inmates who are receving those perks because they broke the law. Vastly different than union members getting education stipends, discounts, or reimbursement from their employers.

How much he paid is irrelevent; the fact is that he knows what his terms and conditions of employment are; that he knows what his benefits package will look like knowing that the employer cannot just decide to "change" things in midstream; he know's what his base level of pay and how much of a raise he'll get every year so he can financially plan for down the road; he know's if there is going to be a layoff, there is a system in place which determines who is laid off and how; he knows that if an issue comes up in the workplace, there is a mechanism to address it up to and including arbitration if the union and employer cannot agree on a resolution; he knows if he's hurt in the line of duty that he'll have his salary and medical coverage continued according to the terms of the labor agreement; he knows that when he has reached retirement age he'll be able to retire with a living wage so he won't have to depend soley on social security to live off of for the rest of his life.....I could go on, but maybe you see the big picture. You on the other hand most likely work non-union and as such have no guarantees; just taxes and death.
I know your kind of young yet and have a long way to go in your career(s) but try to be open minded rather then condeming something you really have no idea about.
Read up on the history of the labor movement in this country and the contributions they have made and are continuing to make. You might actually change your position to one of appreciation for what the labor movement has done for this country and will continue to do.

Sonny boy, you need a dose of the real world because what you've said proves that you have no idea what labor unions are all about and you obviously have no idea of the collective bargaining process. Stop listening to those conservative talk show hosts (many of whom are in unions themselves) who continually bash unions and read about labor unions on the AFL-CIO's website. It's just how it is in the real world. Whether you want to admit it or not, the people in here who are in labor unions are speaking the truth.
http://www.aflcio.org/

Sonny boy, you need a dose of the real world because what you've said proves that you have no idea what labor unions are all about and you obviously have no idea of the collective bargaining process. Stop listening to those conservative talk show hosts (many of whom are in unions themselves) who continually bash unions and read about labor unions on the AFL-CIO's website. It's just how it is in the real world. Whether you want to admit it or not, the people in here who are in labor unions are speaking the truth.
http://www.aflcio.org/

Try lowering the air pressure in the tires.

We already have a museum in Hudson NY; its located at the Firefighters home at the Hudson and although I've never seen it I'm told its a nice place to visit; its staffed mainly by the residents of the home. either way, trying to fund a start up museum at this time given the budget cuts and the state of the economy might not be to viable an idea.

Now that the republican senators have used the so-called nuclear option, unless it is overturned in court, once passed by the House and signed it'll become law in Wisconsin. And it'll stay that way unless in the next election cycle, the people vote out the republicans who supported this bill and repeal it.
I think it will happen.
According to polls, the people of Wisconsin strongly oppose certain parts of the bill which they feel are an encroachment on civil rights of workers in the state. Governor Walker has done an admirable job of polarizing his state and for that he'll most likely become an icon for republicans and conservatives for years to come.
http://www.jsonline.com/news/statepo...117472988.html
While the public workers may be down, they are definitely not out. I suspect it'll become the 1930's again in Wisconsin labor-wise; in some aspects I think it'll be good since many unionists know very little or nothing about unions in general and the sacrifices made back in the day when they fought street battles with management and company hired security hacks.Tthis is a wake up call to not only public employees but also those in the private sector who think they are immune from what took place in Wisconsin. Furthermore, fire and police will not be immune from future attacks on their unions; indeed Ohio, Indiana and New Jersey are contemplating changes in labor regarding the public sector in their respective states.
Make no bones about it, the public and private sector unions in other states are next on the republican's hit list. After all, the Republican Party owes its soul to the US Chamber of Commerce and Tea Party, so hopefully it'll galvanize everyone from both the private and public sectors to band together as brothers and sisters with a common bond to work to vote out the governor and every republican of either house who supported this bill.
Tonight, after it was announced that the republican senate in Wisconsin had passed the bill by 18-1, five of my co-workers, all staunch republicans revealed to us that they are so embarrassed by what their party did in Wisconsin, they plan on leaving the party and registering as independents.
I look forward with extreme enthusiasm to the next two years. I honestly believe that the Republicans have awakened a sleeping bear.

Now that the republican senators have used the so-called nuclear option, unless it is overturned in court, once passed by the House and signed it'll become law in Wisconsin. And it'll stay that way unless in the next election cycle, the people vote out the republicans who supported this bill and repeal it.
I think it will happen.
According to polls, the people of Wisconsin strongly oppose certain parts of the bill which they feel are an encroachment on civil rights of workers in the state. Governor Walker has done an admirable job of polarizing his state and for that he'll most likely become an icon for republicans and conservatives for years to come.
http://www.jsonline.com/news/statepo...117472988.html
While the public workers may be down, they are definitely not out. I suspect it'll become the 1930's again in Wisconsin labor-wise; in some aspects I think it'll be good since many unionists know very little or nothing about unions in general and the sacrifices made back in the day when they fought street battles with management and company hired security hacks.Tthis is a wake up call to not only public employees but also those in the private sector who think they are immune from what took place in Wisconsin. Furthermore, fire and police will not be immune from future attacks on their unions; indeed Ohio, Indiana and New Jersey are contemplating changes in labor regarding the public sector in their respective states.
Make no bones about it, the public and private sector unions in other states are next on the republican's hit list. After all, the Republican Party owes its soul to the US Chamber of Commerce and Tea Party, so hopefully it'll galvanize everyone from both the private and public sectors to band together as brothers and sisters with a common bond to work to vote out the governor and every republican of either house who supported this bill.
Tonight, after it was announced that the republican senate in Wisconsin had passed the bill by 18-1, five of my co-workers, all staunch republicans revealed to us that they are so embarrassed by what their party did in Wisconsin, they plan on leaving the party and registering as independents.
I look forward with extreme enthusiasm to the next two years. I honestly believe that the Republicans have awakened a sleeping bear.

Now that the republican senators have used the so-called nuclear option, unless it is overturned in court, once passed by the House and signed it'll become law in Wisconsin. And it'll stay that way unless in the next election cycle, the people vote out the republicans who supported this bill and repeal it.
I think it will happen.
According to polls, the people of Wisconsin strongly oppose certain parts of the bill which they feel are an encroachment on civil rights of workers in the state. Governor Walker has done an admirable job of polarizing his state and for that he'll most likely become an icon for republicans and conservatives for years to come.
http://www.jsonline.com/news/statepo...117472988.html
While the public workers may be down, they are definitely not out. I suspect it'll become the 1930's again in Wisconsin labor-wise; in some aspects I think it'll be good since many unionists know very little or nothing about unions in general and the sacrifices made back in the day when they fought street battles with management and company hired security hacks.Tthis is a wake up call to not only public employees but also those in the private sector who think they are immune from what took place in Wisconsin. Furthermore, fire and police will not be immune from future attacks on their unions; indeed Ohio, Indiana and New Jersey are contemplating changes in labor regarding the public sector in their respective states.
Make no bones about it, the public and private sector unions in other states are next on the republican's hit list. After all, the Republican Party owes its soul to the US Chamber of Commerce and Tea Party, so hopefully it'll galvanize everyone from both the private and public sectors to band together as brothers and sisters with a common bond to work to vote out the governor and every republican of either house who supported this bill.
Tonight, after it was announced that the republican senate in Wisconsin had passed the bill by 18-1, five of my co-workers, all staunch republicans revealed to us that they are so embarrassed by what their party did in Wisconsin, they plan on leaving the party and registering as independents.
I look forward with extreme enthusiasm to the next two years. I honestly believe that the Republicans have awakened a sleeping bear.

Now that the republican senators have used the so-called nuclear option, unless it is overturned in court, once passed by the House and signed it'll become law in Wisconsin. And it'll stay that way unless in the next election cycle, the people vote out the republicans who supported this bill and repeal it.
I think it will happen.
According to polls, the people of Wisconsin strongly oppose certain parts of the bill which they feel are an encroachment on civil rights of workers in the state. Governor Walker has done an admirable job of polarizing his state and for that he'll most likely become an icon for republicans and conservatives for years to come.
http://www.jsonline.com/news/statepo...117472988.html
While the public workers may be down, they are definitely not out. I suspect it'll become the 1930's again in Wisconsin labor-wise; in some aspects I think it'll be good since many unionists know very little or nothing about unions in general and the sacrifices made back in the day when they fought street battles with management and company hired security hacks.Tthis is a wake up call to not only public employees but also those in the private sector who think they are immune from what took place in Wisconsin. Furthermore, fire and police will not be immune from future attacks on their unions; indeed Ohio, Indiana and New Jersey are contemplating changes in labor regarding the public sector in their respective states.
Make no bones about it, the public and private sector unions in other states are next on the republican's hit list. After all, the Republican Party owes its soul to the US Chamber of Commerce and Tea Party, so hopefully it'll galvanize everyone from both the private and public sectors to band together as brothers and sisters with a common bond to work to vote out the governor and every republican of either house who supported this bill.
Tonight, after it was announced that the republican senate in Wisconsin had passed the bill by 18-1, five of my co-workers, all staunch republicans revealed to us that they are so embarrassed by what their party did in Wisconsin, they plan on leaving the party and registering as independents.
I look forward with extreme enthusiasm to the next two years. I honestly believe that the Republicans have awakened a sleeping bear.

why is it when things dont go the way you have hoped they would u bring up the fact that volunteer departments go to parades?? i mean really its getting old and tired of the abuse as a volunteer firefighter who goes to parades is getting. this isnt a perfect world and nobody is perfect. everytime i come on this site i see what u post and to be honest some of it makes me sick. stop treating us (the volunteers who do firefighting for free) a hard time. remember no matter how u look at it and how u say it we are ALL DOING THE SAME JOB!!!!! FIGHTING FIRES!!!!!!!!!!!
just my feelings

Cogs, I agree with you; unfortunately some in here are wearing blinders. Sometimes I think its useless to attempt to rationalize with them as they are fixed in their positions for whatever reason and in their minds they are totally justified. So be it.
Reading this thread is like reading the funnies; you need a cup of coffee and the tv on. This is one of these cyclical things; I think the best thing to do is let them get it out of their systems and that will make them happy for the next couple of months or so and then let them start the whole cycle over again.

Cogs, I agree with you; unfortunately some in here are wearing blinders. Sometimes I think its useless to attempt to rationalize with them as they are fixed in their positions for whatever reason and in their minds they are totally justified. So be it.
Reading this thread is like reading the funnies; you need a cup of coffee and the tv on. This is one of these cyclical things; I think the best thing to do is let them get it out of their systems and that will make them happy for the next couple of months or so and then let them start the whole cycle over again.

Closed shops are illegal in many states (Taft-Hartley Act of 1948) and what you are describing amounts to what the laws are in the so-called Right-To-Work states where union membership cannot be a requirement in order to maintain employment. These people, who do not pay any dues and are not members of the union, still receive the benefits of being covered under the collective bargaining agreement and are referred to as "freeloaders" since they leach off of others who are members who pay dues towards the bargaining and maintenance of labor agreements.
That being said, in New York State, which is an Agency Shop, you cannot be forced to join a union, but as a condition of employment, you must pay a fee equal to what the dues would normally be. This is known as an agency fee payer. There are also the so-called "Core Members" and they are those whom pay the same fee as Agency Fee Payers, however they get back a partial refund based on how much money is spent on non-contract related expenses such as organizing, parties/social events, etc. Core and Agency fee payers do not have a right to vote on labor agreements, nor are they eligible to participate in union sponsored benfits such as social events, education, run for positions within the union and other fringe benefits provided soley by the union.
All this being said, as a disclaimer, I'm not aware of any language in the public sector being different from private sector since this is federal law and applies to all equally as described.

How about one that just prints the truth?

I first met Ray back in the mid-1970's; a real gentleman and if he gave you his word, it was as good as gold. RIP Ray.

Using POJO's figures, thats 46.57 alarms per day or 1.94 alarms per hour.
Must be some tired crews in LaGrange.

How about one that just prints the truth?

I think the passage of this bill was the right thing to do. Remember those who did not support this bill at election time.