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I only know enough about FDNY spec's to be dangerous... But out of curiosity, why wouldn't the KME Severe Service Chassis suit FDNY's needs assuming they were willing to build the body and pump configuration to match that of current rigs.

From 9's website.... http://bv9fd.com/fullstory.php?157011

Just spoke with a buddy from 9 and apparently two brothers from Truck 9 are at MedStar with 3rd degree burns one of which is intubated. Docs are hopeful that they will both pull through and make recoveries.

I don't think they attacked this one as "vigorously" as they do when structures or other property is threatened. From my perspective, they had limited crews on the mountain and pulled them back when it got dark so nobody would get hurt. They didn't want the fire to get into Camp Smith or beyond the ridgeline it was burning toward so they worked on containing from that direction. Seemed like they definitely did a risk vs. reward assessment.

Were you in the right seat on this job?

I started a similar topic discussing agencies in Connecticut. I'm a NYC medic residing in Brooklyn and I'm trying to expand my horizons outside NY so far not so much luck with CT. Either the company isn't hiring or I would need a CT drivers license in order to work there, which I don't have. Looking at PA I found a few companies:

Exeter Ambulance (Exeter township outside Reading)

White Rose ambulance (york)

Med-ex ambulance (halifax)

Welcome ambulance (philly area)

Suburban EMS (stroudsburg)

If anyone has input on these or other companies that come to mind( ie pay experience working there etc etc.) I'm not picky but I would prefer a mix of 911 and transport (more transport with a little 911 here and there) thanks

Many VFD's in PA run a career EMS crew during the day. I would contact VFD's in Adams, York, Cumberland, Dauphin, Franklin, and Lancaster counties and see if they're hiring. You'll get plenty of 911 and some txp work. For example my old department, Gettysburg FD in Adams County ran a career EMS crew 7a to 5p Monday thru Friday on the first ambulance out the door while the vollies staffed the second rig. They may have added more EMS staffing since I left or expanded the hours. In addition, White Rose staffed an ambulance and wheelchair van at Gettysburg FD's station for inter facility txp for the multitude of nursing homes in the area.

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This is life... Things get discussed. In today's economic environment it would be foolish to think that a bid notice for a fire station being placed on a public forum wouldn't have discussion regarding the merits of such a fire station, the public's perception of the project, and the financial implications that go along with it.

If I posted a picture of a new truck that I bought myself on this forum I would reasonably expect that the Ford vs Dodge vs Chevy banter would follow.

Yes the new interceptors are all wheel drive. IMO I think they would be more beneficial. But who knows maybe they already are testing these cars to make the determination

The Fords have optional AWD, Chevy's do not

There all were built by PL Custom Emergency Vehicles in Manasquan NJ

Last I checked PL Custom didn't make pumpers

They look like pierce or e-one my guess is pierce

What is it that makes you think that they are Pierce or E-One.

Personally I never could have come to that conclusion.

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I have beached apparatus off road many times. Front yard, back yard, neighbors yard, you name it. I haven't seen a stuck rig that was scrapped on site yet because a wrecker(s) couldn't yank it out.

Watch out for septic tanks though. Don't assume that they are in a logical place and don't assume that just because a lot is vacant that the previous structure's septic isn't still in place.

I do understand that they did not take monies from the Federal Government for "operating" costs or to stay afloat. But in 2009 they accepted 5.9 billion as part of a retooling and "efficiency improvement" package. If the 5.9 had to be shelled out by Ford, would they have had to cut somewhere else?

Im sorry that we may not see eye to eye on the perfect definition of a "bailout" program, but I would consider this help from the government.

http://www.google.com/hostednews/afp/article/ALeqM5jesx2f8Y8dKUCMIhgM_8K_XMLd6Q

Edit: After reading reading what I wrote, I could be totally wrong, and I will just go bury my head in sand.

There is no need to bury your head in the sand while having a mature conversation.

Ford did indeed receive money in the form of a loan from the federal government through the department of energy as an enticement to further develop fuel efficient vehicles. The fruits of this loan are already paying off in the form of the more powerful yet much more efficient motors that are going into F-150's and the Taurus, not to mention Ford's very successful hybrid program with the Fusion and Escape as well as the new plugin hybrid technology slated for later this year in the Focus. The only thing they could do to improve on this is to bring the European Focus spec diesel motor to the states which is capable of 50mpg.

Chrysler and GM are slated receive similar loans. The government will make money (albeit not much) off these loans and therefore to any manufacturer who receives one, I would not consider it a bailout. On a personal note, I would prefer that the government not loan money to businesses as I believe it creates a levered relationship between commerce and government which I do not believe is beneficial to a free economy nor is it equitable to smaller companies who do not have access to similarly structured loans from the government.

The difference between a government loan and the situation with GM and Chrysler's bailout is tremendous and most certainly inappropriate. The events that took place surrounding their bail out and the conditions that have been put in place violate decades of bankruptcy and securities law. Most shareholders of the previous entities (General Motors Company used to be General Motors Corporation and The Chrysler Group used to be Chrysler LLC) lost every ounce of equity that they had and the secured creditors got pennies on the dollar for their receivables. Then the New General Motors (the old is now officially known as Motors Liquidation Co.) floats a new IPO where you guessed it, the US Treasury department owns 60% percent (although they've sold off part of it). The government of our country should not be the owner of or a significant shareholder of any business. It has been proven that the government does a poor job of running any form of enterprise. Just take for example the United States Postal Service and Amtrak. Both are examples of government run companies that lose money hand over foot. Finally, the fact that shareholder equity in Chrysler Corp was eradicated by a government dictated bankruptcy and control of the company was given to a foreign (Fiat) automobile manufacturer is awful.

They all got bailed out so that really is a moot point, they took 5.9 billion in 2009. But anyways...

Incorrect. Ford did not get a bail out, did not declare bankruptcy , did not take a penny of TARP money, returned to profitability over a year before anyone thought they would, rehired laid off workers, re opened shuttered factories and they should be commended for it.

Chrysler on the other hand is owned by the taxpayers and Fiat. GM pulled a stunt by broadcasting a commercial indicating that they had fully repaid their TARP money years ahead of schedule when in reality they used one taxpayer bailout source to pay off another all while breaking up the company into a solvent half which could avoid bankruptcy and an insolvent half where the creditors and taxpayers are still paying for it.

http://money.cnn.com...rtune/index.htm

Fix Or Repair Daily.

But you'd prefer a Government Motors alternative?

this Video MFC? it is listed as being from 2009

http://youtu.be/1D1OejyEI9k

if so is that 2 ladder collapses in 3 years?

I edited my post.... You are correct... This isn't the Aliquippa failure and indeed it happened in 2009. Nonetheless it is an example of improper supply of master stream operations that can result in a catastrophic failure.

There are several pics out there of this incident including a scrolling slide show on youtube. It wasn't Aliquippa's truck it was New Eagle's. I'm going to speculate that the cause of the failure was due to the use of 4 inch supply hose as the line used to feed the monitor. Certainly not within the scope of capabilities of this apparatus.

EDIT: After further examination (I was originally on my cell phone) my post is incorrect. The failure that I came across happened in 2009 and is unrelated to the Aliquippa failure. The video that Grumpy references below is what I thought had happened in Aliquippa.

ISO has sent its new staffing policy to the State Insurance Commissioner. Their new position is that since state law requires 6 responders (2in/2out, MPO & IC) to enter a burning structure. If you can not meet that as a rock bottom minimum, then they plan on rerating your dept to a 9. This will affect dozens of Westchester departments in the next year.

Unfortunately I see this having a greater impact on career departments where staffing is relatively cut and dry. The vollies will be able to say that they've got 5 dozen active volunteers that in reality show up 20 minutes after the call is over and get credit and their free job shirt thus meeting the standards.

The question was what constitutes a rescue company, not a rescue truck. Please please please DO NOT confuse a rescue company with a department that has a rescue truck.

I'm wondering if he was confusing DF's ALF with a WLF. What year did the Ogden's ALF get replace by the Mack CF?

Also all the Ward Ultras in the county were either in red or yellow correct?

1974

A friend of mine posed a question to me the other day. He is looking for a picture of an old white Ward LaFrance Ultra-vision pumper that was in was in service in the county. He says he remembers it being at a single bay station in a residential section. He also stated he though that the company later had a Mack (assuming its a CF).

I initially though it might have been Briarcliff Manor FD at first since them and Archville are the only departments that I know operated white painted rigs.

Can anyone help me out here and shed some light? My friend is an avid apparatus photographer and a buff.

Thanks.

Could have been Ogden Engine in Dobbs Ferry. They had a LaFrance purchased in the '50's that was replaced by a Mack CF following. Single bay station in a residential area. I think that the cab forward WLF's didn't come around until 1959-1960 though.

Was this rig originally funded in part by Entergy? Do they have any voice in the disposal of this unit?

The Ford ESU Units park on the Street , and This , The SWAT Trcuk & The MCC park inside the Garage

On the street refers to continuous patrol, not where they park when not in use

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I'd imagine only when necessary, judging by the size of it. It most likely carries all of YPD ESU's special rescue equipment. I know that they do have a few smaller ESU trucks much like the NYPD's, so I'd assume they would be on the street....

Yes YPD ESU has Adam units like NYPD but the NYPD units I'm referring to are the 11 or so Mack MR ESU rigs with heavy squad bodies that are on the street quite regularly.

Is this rig to be on the street all the time like NYPD ESU trucks or only roll as necessary.

ONEEYE...been there done that...huge mainstay when I was in the Corps.

or when you come across the dried out bag of Levi Garrett that you've been hiding from the wife if your tool box out in the garage..... A little JD and it's brand new.