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I comprehend just fine. I'm curios, where is "down there"?
This discussion amuses me quite a bit. The more you type, the bigger prick you make your self out to be.
Where is the the department that is blessed to have you as an employee?

Ok folks… who other than me is going to call this guy out. Go to his profile, read the contributions he has made in previous threads. None of them are productive. The post quoted above is as fictitious as it gets.

The folks south of the reservoir have never been the ones to hold up some form of collaborative agreement.
Why would IBM spend a dime on a fire house when there are two Millwood stations within two miles that bookend their campus.
Why would the taxpayers of this remote section of Yorktown build a firehouse in an area where Millwood has a station less than a mile away with two rigs, nearly 4500 gallons of water and nearly a half mile of LDH. Millwood Station 2 has been open since 1982 logic would dictate that if there are people south of the reservoir living in the YH district that if they were interested in being a volunteer FF that they are already members of Millwood.
No YHFD rigs have ever been stationed at MFC station 2 for anything other than a standby to my knowledge.
Now all this being said, if the taxpayers want a firehouse then they should get their fire house. Putting one in RT 134 won't change a thing for the guys from Millwood. It's not like the guys from Millwood or the guys from Yorktown are going to get any more or less calls as a result of the firehouse being there, and without district lines being changed nothing is going to change other than the stupidity of having to firehouses within a mile of each other.

I comprehend just fine. I'm curios, where is "down there"?
This discussion amuses me quite a bit. The more you type, the bigger prick you make your self out to be.
Where is the the department that is blessed to have you as an employee?

There are plenty of volly chiefs who are certified beyond the credentials that you specify. There are plenty who aren't. There are also plenty of career chiefs that litter suburbia with the minimum certifications required to attain the position, who have been placed there through political influence and have no business commanding a girl scout troop selling cookies let alone let alone a fire-rescue response. Your post seems to be more pointed towards a vollie vs. career discussion rather than actually having data to support whether or not volunteer chiefs in a particular municipality have the appropriate certifications to attend a training event that could potentially improve the outcome of an emergency that may occur in their first due response area.

There are plenty of volly chiefs who are certified beyond the credentials that you specify. There are plenty who aren't. There are also plenty of career chiefs that litter suburbia with the minimum certifications required to attain the position, who have been placed there through political influence and have no business commanding a girl scout troop selling cookies let alone let alone a fire-rescue response. Your post seems to be more pointed towards a vollie vs. career discussion rather than actually having data to support whether or not volunteer chiefs in a particular municipality have the appropriate certifications to attend a training event that could potentially improve the outcome of an emergency that may occur in their first due response area.

There are plenty of volly chiefs who are certified beyond the credentials that you specify. There are plenty who aren't. There are also plenty of career chiefs that litter suburbia with the minimum certifications required to attain the position, who have been placed there through political influence and have no business commanding a girl scout troop selling cookies let alone let alone a fire-rescue response. Your post seems to be more pointed towards a vollie vs. career discussion rather than actually having data to support whether or not volunteer chiefs in a particular municipality have the appropriate certifications to attend a training event that could potentially improve the outcome of an emergency that may occur in their first due response area.

There are plenty of volly chiefs who are certified beyond the credentials that you specify. There are plenty who aren't. There are also plenty of career chiefs that litter suburbia with the minimum certifications required to attain the position, who have been placed there through political influence and have no business commanding a girl scout troop selling cookies let alone let alone a fire-rescue response. Your post seems to be more pointed towards a vollie vs. career discussion rather than actually having data to support whether or not volunteer chiefs in a particular municipality have the appropriate certifications to attend a training event that could potentially improve the outcome of an emergency that may occur in their first due response area.

There are plenty of volly chiefs who are certified beyond the credentials that you specify. There are plenty who aren't. There are also plenty of career chiefs that litter suburbia with the minimum certifications required to attain the position, who have been placed there through political influence and have no business commanding a girl scout troop selling cookies let alone let alone a fire-rescue response. Your post seems to be more pointed towards a vollie vs. career discussion rather than actually having data to support whether or not volunteer chiefs in a particular municipality have the appropriate certifications to attend a training event that could potentially improve the outcome of an emergency that may occur in their first due response area.

There are plenty of volly chiefs who are certified beyond the credentials that you specify. There are plenty who aren't. There are also plenty of career chiefs that litter suburbia with the minimum certifications required to attain the position, who have been placed there through political influence and have no business commanding a girl scout troop selling cookies let alone let alone a fire-rescue response. Your post seems to be more pointed towards a vollie vs. career discussion rather than actually having data to support whether or not volunteer chiefs in a particular municipality have the appropriate certifications to attend a training event that could potentially improve the outcome of an emergency that may occur in their first due response area.

There are plenty of volly chiefs who are certified beyond the credentials that you specify. There are plenty who aren't. There are also plenty of career chiefs that litter suburbia with the minimum certifications required to attain the position, who have been placed there through political influence and have no business commanding a girl scout troop selling cookies let alone let alone a fire-rescue response. Your post seems to be more pointed towards a vollie vs. career discussion rather than actually having data to support whether or not volunteer chiefs in a particular municipality have the appropriate certifications to attend a training event that could potentially improve the outcome of an emergency that may occur in their first due response area.

There are plenty of volly chiefs who are certified beyond the credentials that you specify. There are plenty who aren't. There are also plenty of career chiefs that litter suburbia with the minimum certifications required to attain the position, who have been placed there through political influence and have no business commanding a girl scout troop selling cookies let alone let alone a fire-rescue response. Your post seems to be more pointed towards a vollie vs. career discussion rather than actually having data to support whether or not volunteer chiefs in a particular municipality have the appropriate certifications to attend a training event that could potentially improve the outcome of an emergency that may occur in their first due response area.

There are plenty of volly chiefs who are certified beyond the credentials that you specify. There are plenty who aren't. There are also plenty of career chiefs that litter suburbia with the minimum certifications required to attain the position, who have been placed there through political influence and have no business commanding a girl scout troop selling cookies let alone let alone a fire-rescue response. Your post seems to be more pointed towards a vollie vs. career discussion rather than actually having data to support whether or not volunteer chiefs in a particular municipality have the appropriate certifications to attend a training event that could potentially improve the outcome of an emergency that may occur in their first due response area.

The MOS who refused this detail is well known as an extremely dedicated firefighter and trusted source of training knowledge. Outgoing Chief Ellerbe only details E30/T17 and E10/T13 to these assignments. These are some of the busiest companies in the country let alone the District and it would appear that he has an axe to grind with them. I've heard these referenced as the "retaliation companies". This guy can't leave town fast enough.

No doubt.. I think I was misunderstood... I'm not advocating for a city department to use a commercial cabbed rig... rather that what is attractive to other departments (the ones not running 24/7) is that they are fixable anywhere. Where the hell do you get a Pierce Quantum fixed in Harlan Kentucky?

I don't honestly buy that this rig is overweight for its braking system. I'll nearly guarantee that it has vented discs at all four corners that have more than double the stopping power of older drum style brakes that were the norm until the '90's and that were spec'd for the weight rating of the axle that they are attached to. If the truck were under spec'd from a braking standpoint, it would most likely by under spec'd from a suspension and axle standpoint as well, and there is no mention of that thus far.
This being said, can modern brake systems be cooked? Absolutely. But whether its a fire truck, big rig, or a race car, it's due to how the operator is driving the vehicle the vast majority of the time not the braking system. I'm unfamiliar with the mountainous road that was referenced before, but I'm willing to bet that it's not the first time this rig or any of the other rigs in the department have descended it. Starting at the top of the hill at a safe speed and utilizing the transmission and engine (Jake) brake along with the braking system should result in a controlled and safe descent. Most apparatus operators today simply leave the transmission selector in "drive" and never utilize the lower gear ratios to control the vehicle. The advent of tougher emissions controls and fuel standards has also brought forth the "free wheeling" concept, where when a rig is in high gear and coasting, that the transmission freewheels and thus the engine is not available to provide compression braking, nor is the engine brake functioning. The only way around this is in many cases is to select a lower gear that will not permit the transmission to freewheel.
Regardless, from the outside looking in, there appears to be more political motivation with this decision than concern for the roads and vehicle safety.

I don't honestly buy that this rig is overweight for its braking system. I'll nearly guarantee that it has vented discs at all four corners that have more than double the stopping power of older drum style brakes that were the norm until the '90's and that were spec'd for the weight rating of the axle that they are attached to. If the truck were under spec'd from a braking standpoint, it would most likely by under spec'd from a suspension and axle standpoint as well, and there is no mention of that thus far.
This being said, can modern brake systems be cooked? Absolutely. But whether its a fire truck, big rig, or a race car, it's due to how the operator is driving the vehicle the vast majority of the time not the braking system. I'm unfamiliar with the mountainous road that was referenced before, but I'm willing to bet that it's not the first time this rig or any of the other rigs in the department have descended it. Starting at the top of the hill at a safe speed and utilizing the transmission and engine (Jake) brake along with the braking system should result in a controlled and safe descent. Most apparatus operators today simply leave the transmission selector in "drive" and never utilize the lower gear ratios to control the vehicle. The advent of tougher emissions controls and fuel standards has also brought forth the "free wheeling" concept, where when a rig is in high gear and coasting, that the transmission freewheels and thus the engine is not available to provide compression braking, nor is the engine brake functioning. The only way around this is in many cases is to select a lower gear that will not permit the transmission to freewheel.
Regardless, from the outside looking in, there appears to be more political motivation with this decision than concern for the roads and vehicle safety.

So 702, a single axle rescue wagon, weighs more than 701, a tandem axle pumper tanker with 3000 gallons of water (25,000lb) on board????
I've got a title for a handsome old bridge that connects lower Manhatten to the Long Island that could be yours for......

So 702, a single axle rescue wagon, weighs more than 701, a tandem axle pumper tanker with 3000 gallons of water (25,000lb) on board????
I've got a title for a handsome old bridge that connects lower Manhatten to the Long Island that could be yours for......

So 702, a single axle rescue wagon, weighs more than 701, a tandem axle pumper tanker with 3000 gallons of water (25,000lb) on board????
I've got a title for a handsome old bridge that connects lower Manhatten to the Long Island that could be yours for......

Thank you. I absolutely respect your opinion. The cost if the overhaul seems reasonable for the role you have described. I hope it serves Rockland and surrounding communities well.

Ok I don't want to seem like a mean guy here picking this article apart BUT. The author is a 23 year old Lieutenant and by every indication here is a motivated member of the fire service. That being said I agree there's a difference between leader and boss but in reality sometimes you have to be the boss. As a fire officer on the fire floor you need to be the boss. As I read the article I think the author in some ways is describing leading literally when I read these parts "white helmet bobbing through the smoke in front of you" and "leading the men and women around the firehouse and fireground,". To me leadership has nothing to do with physically being in front. Almost anyone can lead someone down a hallway but it takes a real officer being the BOSS to hold up the train if things are not right. It's been pointed out here before by some of those who's experience and rank exceed mine about how too many company officers are too worried about being friends with their guys instead of being their boss. To me a leader does the right thing even if it won't be popular. Funny enough I met the Chief of the author's county department last year and there was a leadership discussion and I remember this quote he made that day and it basically went like this. "Lead you people where they need to be, not where they want to go" It struck a chord with me hopefully I made some sense here.

Many times this "Boss"or "Leader", or whatever you want to call him has to get involved and be out in front not because he wants to "lead by example" but because he's been dealt a "Bad Hand" to play with due to the broken System which now worries about reaching "Quotas" and not "Qualified" individuals! It's unfortunate, but nowadays an Officer many times has to accomplish tasks by himself due to the incompetent morons the Fire Service is hiring. He/She has no choice if they want the Job done right. Thank You "Affirmative Action" and All you Liberal POS Politicians! You just made an Officer's Job that much more difficult!

Rural water supply is one of the least understood aspects of the fire service, even among departments who have the equipment to accomplish it. Fact of the matter is that unless it's a straight lay of 5000+ feet on the same road, laying a mile of hose down multiple intersecting streets is a logistical nightmare for incoming units. Couple that with the fact that Westchester County is far from flat or straight with wildly varying hydrant pressures and volumes and successfully completing a mile plus lay of LDH, inserting relay pumpers and establishing a continuous water supply just isn't that easy. This is not an exercise that is easy to practice or drill on because finding geographically unique places to drop a mile of hose to replicate the twisty hilly roads of northern Westchester just isn't practical. Finally the art of fire-ground hydraulics is lost. Most new engineers simply crank the throttle up and ask if the guy with the hose has enough pressure. Balancing hydrant volume/pressure and supply engine intake pressure with elevation changes, friction loss, and the pressure at the attack engine (and all relay pumpers in between) is something that 99% of chauffeurs in northern Westchester aren't skilled at because the last time they had to even think about it was during their pump-ops class with Larry Bremmer at the training center.
Now I remember why I prefer truck work!!!!

I honestly cannot see the allure of a rear mounted tower. Can someone shed some light on why anyone would want such a cumbersome rig?