SOUSGT

Date:Feb 11
Time:11:27 Am
Location:8 Hommocks Road

District:
Units:Engine 51, Engine 36, Ladder 19, Rescue 6, 2231, 2233

New Rochelle Engine 22 (FAST)

Mamaroneck 1 Engine

Larchmont Tower Ladder 7

Bat. 19

Larchmont Ambulance 66A1
Description:Reported Boiler fire

11:29 2233 reported 10-75

In my opinion, if you have this type of vehicle (METU) available at your disposal, why not utilize it for different types of incidents i.e. MCIs. I am sure that Yonkers would be more than happy to send their METU wherever it is needed, but there should be a County METU that responds to the same types of incidents as the Yonkers METU. What if there is an major incident that requires more than 1 METU? The recent train accident could have been much worse with so many more casualties. In that case, more than 1 METU would be needed.

I understand that the main purpose of the DES METU is to evacuate SNFs, but the evacuation of SNFs is not something that needs to be done on a regular basis. With that being said, instead of having the METU sitting around collecting dust, they should use it for MCIs, large scale rehab at a fire scene & so on. It would be a good use of the federal tax dollars.

You would think that the equipment manufactures would step up to the plate seeing a potential increase in sales. They could engineer a standard multiuse urban response vehicle. That will with a little modification prior to responding, be used as a command post, rehab site, portable victim/patient shelter, SNF transport or a MCI response vehicle (mobile ER, transport ect). This would simply the grant process and actually give the taxpayers a vehicle that would support not only the members of the emergency services but the taxpayers themselves in a time of emergency.

This is nothing new.

Volunteer Fire Fighter Dies After Falling Through Floor Supported by Engineered Wooden-I Beams at Residential Structure Fire – Tennessee

On January 26, 2007, a 24-year-old male volunteer fire fighter died at a residential structure fire after falling through the floor which was supported by engineered wooden I-beams. The victim’s crew had advanced a handline approximately 20 feet into the structure with zero visibility. They requested ventilation and a thermal imaging camera (TIC) in an attempt to locate and extinguish the fire. The victim exited the structure to retrieve the TIC, and when he returned the floor was spongy as conditions worsened which forced the crew to exit. The victim requested the nozzle and proceeded back into the structure within an arm’s distance of one of his crew members who provided back up while he stood in the doorway. Without warning, the floor collapsed sending the victim into the basement. Crews attempted to rescue the victim from the fully involved basement, but a subsequent collapse of the main floor ceased any rescue attempts. The victim was recovered later that morning. NIOSH investigators concluded that, to minimize the risk of similar occurrences, fire departments should:

• use a thermal imaging camera (TIC) during the initial size-up and search phases of a fire
• ensure fire fighters are trained to recognize the danger of operating above a fire and identify buildings constructed with trusses or engineered wood I-beams

Additionally, Municipalities and local authorities having jurisdiction should

• develop a questionnaire or checklist to obtain building information so that the information is readily available if an incident is reported at the noted address

Additionally, Building code officials and local authorities having jurisdiction should

• consider modifying the current codes to require that lightweight trusses are protected with a fire barrier on both the top and bottom

http://www.cdc.gov/niosh/fire/reports/face200707.html

With the age of computers and tablets coming into the fire service, there is no reason why the responding units should not be aware of the use of lightweight construction at a particular site. I believe it should be the duty of the building department to notify the fire department when a permit is issued using this material or trussed roofs so that it can be entered in a “special hazard” section of a response location. This would be flagged when the alarm is transmitted.

That was my point exactly in response to an earlier post about it not being local tax money.

Taxes are taxes and waste is waste..

You hit the nail squarely on the head. We spend a lot of money (how it is paid for is irrelevant) on shinny equipment that is paraded out by a local politician that shows how he/she cares for his/her constituents. After the dog and pony show, said modern wonder sits rotting somewhere and may not be ever used again. But we can say we are prepared for the next big one. Grant money should be used in a way that maximizes its return. If a vehicle is needed, make it so it has multi functions. Grants for upgraded turnout gear- fine.

A New Jersey lawmaker wants to freeze new multi-family developments from using the same lightweight wood construction that was used in an Edgewater apartment complex that was destroyed by fire two weeks ago.

Assemblyman Scott Rumana's bill would impose a two-year moratorium while the state evaluates the safety of light frame construction.

Read more: http://www.nbcphiladelphia.com/news/local/New-Jersey-to-Propose-Moratorium-on-Lightweight-Wood-That-Left-Hundreds-Homeless-After-Fire-291030761.html#ixzz3Qzw9drgn

What a tragedy. I initially thought all the deceased would have been in the vehicle. I was surprised when I read this morning that all but the vehicle driver were on the train. You know that when you have grade crossings that sooner or later, but eventually, you will have a crash, just not this bad and not to the passengers. And this is a little rhetorical, but how do you get stuck between the gates? You have to see the train coming, bust through, jump out and run, do something, I don't get it.

CNN is reporting that the third rail (it provides 800 VDC to power the train), pierced the floor of the train and may have started the fire. A witness said that the female operator of the vehicle was stopped in traffic at the crossing. The gates came down and hit the back of her vehicle. She exited the vehicle and tried to push up the gate. She then got back in her vehicle and moved it forward and was struck by the train. The train was an express and was traveling about 60 MPH.

Back to the stone age for a few hours.

AT&T experienced a major outage at their main Akron, OH switching office, which brought down voice lines, internet, 911 services, and cellular voice+data services in a 5 county area. This was due to a burst steam pipe, and they have recovered most services at this time.

http://fox8.com/2015/01/13/police-911-systems-down-throughout-summit-co-due-to-power-outage-at-att-office-in-akron/

i was in the Jet Blue Terminal on Saturday night. Strange seeing a bunch of police in different uniforms there. I always liked Jet Blue. Now I like them even more.

I think the real question is can the NYPD survive when Bratton resigns and DeBlasio appoints some other member of his progressive left wing liberal party to run the world greatest PD. Bratton has been associated as a cops commissioner and most likely won't continue to be associated with a boss who has tied his hands.

No problem, Sharpton might think that going from the unofficial Deputy Mayor to Police Commissioner is a demotion, but I’m sure he is willing to take one for the team.

Its good to see that someone in NYC has a set of balls.

http://pix11.com/2014/12/20/video-nypd-officers-turn-away-from-mayor-de-blasio-as-he-enters-police-presser/

As military vehicles are not built with emission controls or the required safety equipment that civilian

vehicles must have, can you get a waver or does the vehicle have to be brought up to civilian vehicle standards before you can register it.

Easy way for the FD to solve this. We advised buildings when they went to this that the 1st call we get there was going to be expensive if they did not install a Knox Box.

Then the 1st call you use Battalion Chief Halligan's key and you are in. The next day the building owner either:

a) orders a knox box or

calls the FD to complain and is told: "See a above"

If they pick "b" we repeat the process.

No building has repeated this a 3rd time.

That no longer works on many of the new systems. There is a 6 or 7 digit "code" for each apt. or you have to scroll to each name press and wait, before you can select another name. In a big building that could take 10+ minutes.

Not to go off topic but there are two basic types of intercom systems:

Analog: where you have 1 button for each apartment. This is the one where you can press all the buttons in a downward sliding button and someone will usually open the door (old PD trick).

The system you reference is a telephone entry system, This requires a code and when entered, uses a preprogrammed number to contact the tenants’ phone. Often you will find a code to call 911, the police or fire departments in the directory. If you enter that code and the system calls 911, when the operator answers, have them dial 9. That is the most often code used to open the door.

If not then the master key (halligan) may have to be used.

Also check the bottle before donning. Its your life! do you want to trust it to the last guy who used the equipment.

Not just the hinterlands. Many apartment buildings have a door buzzer system to get in that requires a last name to get the apartment on the intercom and get the door opened.

Just press them all and muffle your voice. Haven't you learned that trick yet?

Nice, We used front end loaders a few times. You can get about 10 people in the bucket if you are careful.

Brilliant!!! If you close the companies, you don't need to buy new apparatus.

That's some forward thinkin right there.

Me thinks you missed the underlying theme. If you don’t have a fire department, the city would burn down. This could be Newark's Urban Renewal. With all the buildings gone, they apply for grants for housing, the insurance companies pay for new commercial structures and presto changeo, you have a new city and lots of jobs all around. Then they will have the tax money to pay for employees! A stroke of genius. You get around those pesky EPA regulations and building approval processes as the reconstruction would be an emergency.

By the way, don’t drink the Kool Aid, I am being sarcastic. No one should have to work with dangerous equipment.

Yes the "Universal Precautions" method is still used on our police radio, as a matter of fact I heard it tonight from a field unit. I always wondered why the much more code heavy police side did not have a code for this while the fire side that was heading towards plain language at the time made one up.

Under regulations we were not permitted to say Universal Precautions when going to a specific location or to a specific person, it the same as saying AIDS over the radio. You are supposed to use universal precautions every time in dealing with a sick person.

Therefore you cant have a radio code for it as it would be the same as saying it. But somehow someone would make a comment to warn the responders. Fortunately they discontinued the radio identifier system a few years ago.

We just got a similar memo. I think this puts us up to 4 memos on this, not all of which comply with each other.

It brings me back to the days of what we used to call "Signal 46". This was officially the communicable disease signal but was commonly called the AIDS signal. It was phased out because it had only one common use that some found distasteful and because with BSI becoming part of the standard protocol, it was felt that telling people to use precautions when they should be doing so on all calls was a bit redundant.

I met a Battalion Chief from down south who ran a large county wide dispatch center. They had a signal (I forget the number) that was then followed by an A, B or C. A for Airborne, B for Bloodborne, and C for Combination or Unknown. Basically this was broadcast anytime the dispatcher was aware of the presence of such a disease. The three varieties meant that it was not only an AIDS signal, and I can't help thinking that such a signal in place now would make this recent epidemic a non issue as far as dispatch goes.

We had a similar system. Since we were prohibited from using the A word on the radio.

When you were dispatched to a known A word patient, often over the radio a little voice would announce

“universal precautions” Funny, we never found out who the little voice was.

Something doesn’t seem right.

The FM 200 system is supposed to sound an alarm and flash a light (usually labeled “AGENT”) 20-45 seconds before it discharges.

1) To allow the occupants time to get out before the discharge.

2) In the event of a malfunction of the sensing equipment to activate an override to cancel the discharge.

In NJ structures using truss construction are required to have a red sign in front with a T inside a red triangle.

If you watch the youtube video FFPCogs posted in remembrance, don't look at the comments underneath - just about all are from disgusting trolls. Seeing the faces of those lost helping others again, who gave their all, was very worthwhile, and thank you for providing the link.

Really liked SOUSGT's link also - thank you for providing it.

If you look closely in the parade of ambulances, you can see Larchmont VACs old 430 in front of Chelsey Piers. I believe that picture was taken from Time Magazine.

http://www.jontzen.com/tributes911/only_time_tribute.htm

This is one of the better tributes. It is a reminder of what happened that day.

It reminds us that despite what the politicians say, there is still pure evil in this world.

In addition while it was one of the worst days in history, it was also one of our best. We came together like I have never seen before or since. Unfortunately it took the lives of almost 3000 martyrs to do it.

Say a prayer for those who were murdered that day.

Because there is an anti-cop sentiment that is growing thanks to the left wing media...

A wise old man once said. "a society that makes enemies of the police, had better make friends with the criminals”.

Once upon a time there was a level of decorum that existed between the public and LEOs. Officers knew the people in their town, their demeanor, and their tendencies, and could diffuse virtually any situation with a conversation and some sound reason. It is a shame that "Protect and Serve" has been replaced by "Command and Tase." I guess we need extremes like the protests that occurred in Furguson, MO to combat the other extreme, the one being vocalized on this very thread. It seems that the Emtbravo "Fan Club" has taken the position of "whatever these cops do to this guy he had it coming." I know I would be pretty pissed if some degenerate with a High School diploma and a badge on his chest were screaming in my face like the trooper was doing to the "perp" in this video. Regardless of this guy's criminal history and whatever act brought the police there that day, these Super Troopers seemed a little too jacked-up on Mountain Dew and quick to that taser trigger for me to condone any of their actions. I know I didn't see what happened before the video started and can't prove that this guy didn't have it coming...but none of you did either and you can't prove that he did...From what I have seen here, the treatment this guy got didn't match the resistance.

Me thinks you watched too many episodes of the Andy Griffith show on TV. Mayberry only exists on TV in the 60s..Everyone encountered by the police reacts differently. However, you pick up on one thing that is correct; The perp does have a lot of control over what happens to him. If he submits than there should be no further use of force. If he fights then the police have an absolute right to defend themselves. What happened before the video starts is irrelevant with one exception: the subject was going to be arrested. Once the subject started to resist, the use of force by the troopers went up as the resistance on the part of the subject increased. But the amount of forced used increased only to the extent needed to overcome the amount of resistance on the part of the subject. Further, the video shows that the use of force stopped when the suspect stopped using force on the troopers. If you consider these officers to be Super Troopers jacked-up on Mountain Dew then it appears that you may have spent too long in Colorado.

What I find to be the most disturbing is the title of this thread “Montrose Beat down and Tasting” . .

Clearly there was no beating on the part of the troopers. But even when you use the minimum amount of force necessary to quell the situation, someone will try and escalate the situation and prompt a trial by headline.