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Effective streams vs. non-effective streams. There is a lot of good learning here in this video. Too bad we didn't find it six years ago when it was first posted on youtube. I love looking at good vids and making them into training material
First off, it still amazes me that we as firefighters still pull 1 3/4" lines when we see that much fire. The first lines off the first due engine were both matties (see 2:50 mark in video). Granted I'll have critic say "well we only have XXX gallons of water" but with that much fire and heat, and the really bad exposure problem (I hate developments like this), go right for blitz attack. Practically all modern pumper shave deck / stang guns, use them! We all have big 2 1/2" lines, use them! The minimum diameter line that should be pulled off first should be at least a 2" hose line. Remember this equation: Big Fire = Big Water, GPM battles BTUs.
I think though the tactics were good, one line right to the B side exposure (white hose) as you can see the siding melted off in the video. All these homes are the same construction (cracker boxes in my opinion) and the focus on the exposure problem. I can't tell where the blue line goes except for some place on the D-side.
The tower bucket crew did good work hitting the center of the fire was and worked its way around. Looking at their rig on the dept's website, they have dual monitors (a big plus on TLs in my book). The only utilized one, the smoothbore. More than likely they they didn't have enough water but this would have been ideal to use the adjustable stream on this fire. More than likely getting the smoothbore in operations was priority due to the amount of fire, still a good call. Just think if they had enough water to operate both guns, the fire would have gone out quicker. A pumper with a two-stage pump set in volume would have helped supplied but again if their isn't enough water, you have to do whatever it takes.
Again overall from what we see on the vid, the crews did a hell of an effort and the ICs appeared to have made good calls protecting the crews.

Effective streams vs. non-effective streams. There is a lot of good learning here in this video. Too bad we didn't find it six years ago when it was first posted on youtube. I love looking at good vids and making them into training material
First off, it still amazes me that we as firefighters still pull 1 3/4" lines when we see that much fire. The first lines off the first due engine were both matties (see 2:50 mark in video). Granted I'll have critic say "well we only have XXX gallons of water" but with that much fire and heat, and the really bad exposure problem (I hate developments like this), go right for blitz attack. Practically all modern pumper shave deck / stang guns, use them! We all have big 2 1/2" lines, use them! The minimum diameter line that should be pulled off first should be at least a 2" hose line. Remember this equation: Big Fire = Big Water, GPM battles BTUs.
I think though the tactics were good, one line right to the B side exposure (white hose) as you can see the siding melted off in the video. All these homes are the same construction (cracker boxes in my opinion) and the focus on the exposure problem. I can't tell where the blue line goes except for some place on the D-side.
The tower bucket crew did good work hitting the center of the fire was and worked its way around. Looking at their rig on the dept's website, they have dual monitors (a big plus on TLs in my book). The only utilized one, the smoothbore. More than likely they they didn't have enough water but this would have been ideal to use the adjustable stream on this fire. More than likely getting the smoothbore in operations was priority due to the amount of fire, still a good call. Just think if they had enough water to operate both guns, the fire would have gone out quicker. A pumper with a two-stage pump set in volume would have helped supplied but again if their isn't enough water, you have to do whatever it takes.
Again overall from what we see on the vid, the crews did a hell of an effort and the ICs appeared to have made good calls protecting the crews.

CHIEFPHIL did one about two years ago with the Bethel CT FD. [remount of a Sutphen boom ]

The Valley getting a truck and robbing us of some of our mutual aid ladder jobs is a FAIL in my book! LOL
(I kid...I kid...it's a long time coming - congrats to PVFD)

Nothing that we're not used to... I hate myself sometimes for being a fan

Calling all apparatus buffs (You too Angelo!)
Met a guy up in Boston at the parade from the Raynham, MA Fire Dept. He's looking to find out where their department's old 1957 Maxim S cab aerial went to. He thinks its a museum somewhere either in CT or NY. Any leads would be appreciated.

LOL!! I figured no one would beat you!!!
Thanks for all your help.

Wow. That was fast. Next time I'm missing something, I'm going straight to you.

I admit I'm not that good, just have a like for old Maxims. My dept had 9 over the years and try to keep tabs on whose went where.

Whats the question ? I left for a drink of water !

A few shots from the parade in Mt. Kisco.













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Agreed! God Bless~!

RIP

Tragic. Thoughts and prayers.

Very Sad
RIP

I knew Ben well. But I never had the privilage of working with him as I had retired earlier. Ben was in Great physical shape and he Loved the Job. I would see him working a few of those jobs and I could easily tell that he was into it.
I just recently saw Ben when I stopped down to the firehouse to visit my Brothers. In his style, Ben shook my hand in a firm grip and said "good to see ya Cap". He was a very respectful firefighter and he had the respect of every member in the dept.
Bens two children, ages 4 and 6 were also seriously injuried in that accident and taken to Childrens Hospital in Hartford. According to my Norwich Brothers, the Hartford Firefighters have been stopping by to give support to the family during this very tragic time. My Norwich Brothers are very Thankful for what these Hartford members are doing.
For me, I'll miss you my Brother Ben. You were taken away much too soon. Thank you for serving the citizens of Norwich, and may you Rest in Peace there Brother.

Since last year they purchased a number of engines without aerials (I saw 4 being built in May and 3 or 4 more in July) Its a fair bet to say they are moving away from it.
The new engines have the hosebeds under the water tank.

The hose bed is in he compartment labeled E 1

Sorry it is so dark. But, you can see Smeals roll out hose bed and its under the tank
3ff & 1 Of. They do not operate both eng and ladder together. they are one or the other. When they were running total quint they would send 4 engines on a box:
1st due: engine
2nd due: truck
3rd due: engine
4th due: truck
Their ladder companies were generally downtown only

This I can definitely identify with this. I know firefighters with the Rochester FD, and they used the Quint/Midi system for years.
And to everybody...Thank you. All of your answers are making it a little clearer for me.
On another note...Meet my first love. Q560 from Honeoye Falls, NY (30 minutes south of Rochester). She's the last RD Murray off the line, and I've put out more fires using this beast than any other piece of apparatus.
**This is not the reason I brought up this topic. Before I moved to Westchester I was the Lieutenant on this bad@$, and it exceeds the standard for being a quint, hence being QUINT 560. I raised the question because I've never heard the term "quint" used as an apparatus designator in Westchester.

Actually, not many fire departments that have quints call them that. Usually that term was utilized under the "Quint Concept" where departments replaced the engine and ladder truck at a station with a quint and usually another smaller piece, or if the unit was station alone by itself.
A quint in the true scene of the term means in this day and age an apparatus with a viable aerial ladder 75 to 100+ feet in length, 1000 or more gpm pump (may be as low as 750 gpm but I'm going with ISO Class A pumpers), minimum of 250 gallons of water in the tank and a minimum of 85 feet of ground ladders. A majority of what we call "quint" apparatus out there does not meet this specification. So that is the first place you need to look. A typical 75' Seagrave mean stick lacks 85 feet of ground ladders on it, any Telesquirt pumper is not a quint, ect.
So take a look at all the "quints" out there and see which fit the actual specifications for a quint. You will be surprised how many "quints" that are out their are really not! We tend to utilize the term so we know what we got coming if it is designated that way.

Is it the City of Rye's Old 1975 Seagrave 100ft Tractor-Drawn Aerial Ladder (aka - Hook n' Ladder Company # 1)????

"I'll paint any car any color for $99.95" - Earl Schieb

I know, "Ooh-ooh-ooooh!"

Ok...I'll wait

Cisterns are a very common thing in the fire service and have been utilized since the 1700s. San Fran saw the need obviously to bring back an old technology that still works today.
In a neighboring town from mine, the factory area has a canal and "race-tails" throught the area. They had a bug fire a few years back and there wasn't a lot of usable hydrants. Ten the old timers came out, looked for the manhole covers for the canal, opened them up and the pumpers began to draft out of them. We had more than enought water supplied in the canal by the river to meet our needs.

Cisterns are a very common thing in the fire service and have been utilized since the 1700s. San Fran saw the need obviously to bring back an old technology that still works today.
In a neighboring town from mine, the factory area has a canal and "race-tails" throught the area. They had a bug fire a few years back and there wasn't a lot of usable hydrants. Ten the old timers came out, looked for the manhole covers for the canal, opened them up and the pumpers began to draft out of them. We had more than enought water supplied in the canal by the river to meet our needs.

Cisterns are a very common thing in the fire service and have been utilized since the 1700s. San Fran saw the need obviously to bring back an old technology that still works today.
In a neighboring town from mine, the factory area has a canal and "race-tails" throught the area. They had a bug fire a few years back and there wasn't a lot of usable hydrants. Ten the old timers came out, looked for the manhole covers for the canal, opened them up and the pumpers began to draft out of them. We had more than enought water supplied in the canal by the river to meet our needs.