fyrlt17

TransCare is owned by Lynn Tilton (Founder & CEO, Patriarch Partners) this is the same company that ran American LaFrance into the ground.

https://www.facebook.com/SmealFire?ref=stream&fref=nf

Lt. Bob Bogart visiting the fire house as a child

Lieutenant Ed Bogart, his son Lieutenant Bob Bogart was on the job (retired), as is his grandson Lt. Scott Bogart.

H. Abbot Griffen

First career Fire Chief

Can't be of any help with photo of old Eng. 2.

T-----

Hey Tim,

Ask Tex if he has a better picture of Old E-2, 1949 ALF. Some one out west just bought it and wants to restore it.

"Modern vehicles have state-of-the-art electronic electrical systems nowadays with semiconductor diodes integrated into the entire system.

Semiconductors are made from material somewhere between the ranges of conductors and nonconductors. Semiconductors, basically, are designed to do one of three things:

(1) stop the flow of electrons, (2) start the flow of electrons, or (3) control the amount of electron flow. A diode is, in effect, a one-way valve. It will conduct current in one direction and remain non conductive in the reverse direction. When current flows through the diode, it is said to be "forward biased." When current flow is blocked by the diode, it is "reverse biased." Touching battery cables together as the story goes is the reverse manner. Current will NOT flow. You will NOT drain the airbag capacitors."

from Ron Moore University of Extrication

http://www.firehouse.com/forums/archive/index.php/t-19555.html

1) Make sure the vehicle is in park

2) Make sure the ignition is off (look for smart key systems) remove smart key at least 25' from vehicle.

3) Chock the tires (Front and back)

These are the first steps in vehicle stabilization and de-energizing the capacitors on the occupant restraint systems

Once you have the vehicle stabilized you can access the battery, disconnect the negative side first and depending on the severity of the accident disconnect or cut all the wires attached to the battery negative and positive.

Remember it’s an accident; try to find the fuse box in a vehicle that’s been crashed.

The only time I can see cutting the airbags out would be for a disentanglement which usually means the victim is dead.

Don’t forget the seatbelt pretensioner

Bob,

My condolences to you and your entire family. The true testament to an individual is how he is remembered; and as you know best, oh the stories we could tell.

Griff

I forgot to mention that there are systems that don't have Smart Bag Technology. Making it Hard for us to determine which vehicle have controlled inflators .

The writing on the airbag warns

"Risk of Injury"

"Two stage airbag system. Airbag could trigger a second time"

Holmatro's Rescuer's Guide to Vehicle Safety Systems and HURST Crash Recovery System

Are excellent resources. You put in the Year, make and model of a car and all the hidden hazards of that model are displayed

I don't want to confuse everyone but all the gas is released or ignited. With new Smart Bag Technology The airbag controller controls how hot to burn creating more or less gas and for the stored pressure how fast the gas is released.

Confused yet?

The problem lies with the us being able to determine if the secondary charge has deployed.

COPIED FROM GM website: Avanced airbag technologies are being developed to tailor airbag deployment to the severity of the crash, the size and posture of the vehicle occupant, belt usage, and how close that person is to the actual airbag. Many of these systems use multi-stage inflators that deploy less forcefully in stages in moderate crashes than in very severe crashes. Occupant sensing devices let the airbag control unit know if someone is occupying a seat adjacent to an airbag, the mass/weight of the person, whether a seat belt or child restraint is being used, and whether the person is forward in the seat and close to the airbag. Based on this information and crash severity information, the airbag is deployed at either a high force level, a less forceful level, or not at all.

Adaptive airbag systems may utilize multi-stage airbags to adjust the pressure within the airbag. The greater the pressure within the airbag, the more force the airbag will exert on the occupants as they come in contact with it. These adjustments allow the system to deploy the airbag with a moderate force for most collisions; reserving the maximum force airbag only for the severest of collisions. Additional sensors to determine the location, weight or relative size of the occupants may also be used. Information regarding the occupants and the severity of the crash are used by the airbag control unit, to determine whether airbags should be suppressed or deployed, and if so, at various output levels.

Sorry had to go on a run:

There are to types of infators 1) inflation system is not unlike a solid rocket booster. The air bag system ignites a solid propellant, which burns extremely rapidly to create a large volume of gas to inflate the bag. The bag then literally bursts from its storage site at up to 200 mph -- faster than the blink of an eye! A second later, the gas quickly dissipates through tiny holes in the bag, thus deflating the bag so you can move. Even though the whole process happens in only one-twenty-fifth of a second (250 ms) the additional time is enough to help prevent serious injury.

Sodium Azide

Class C Explosive

Self Ignites When Heated To 600 Degrees.

2) compressed gas cylinder type inflator. High pressure gas is stored until the request for deployment is sent. At that time a disc inside the cylinder bursts and allows the gas to escape at high pressure to inflate the bag.

Contains 3000 PSI

This is a compressed gas cylinder type inflator. High pressure gas is stored until the request for deployment is sent. At that time a disc inside the cylinder bursts and allows the gas to escape at high pressure to inflate the bag.

This is an example of a late-model dual Inflator. Depending on the threshold of the collision, one or both of the inflators will ignite. Even if the airbag has deployed, the second stage may still be live.

Airbag manufacturers, automakers, and NHTSA state that you should not restrain or cut any airbag system. If there is an accidental deployment during a rescue and there is a failure to the device that you are using, remember that it is the device that you used against recommendations that caused the possible injuries. Also, the injury from the device may be greater than that of the airbag itself.

The following field test was performed in Phoenix Arizona on December 19th 2003. A cover was installed over an airbag following the airbag cover manufacturers recommendations. The airbag was manually deployed. The cover was blown off and the steering wheel was bent.

The cover did not contain the deployment, rather bent the steering wheel and blew into the face area of the driver.

NAVISTAR, AMERICAN LAFRANCE PLAN VOCATIONAL TRUCK JOINT VENTURE

(8/7/2008)

August 6, 2008 – Two leaders in commercial transportation have new plans to work together to develop, manufacture and support low cab-over engine (LCOE) vocational trucks.

Navistar, Inc. and American LaFrance, LLC today announced plans to launch a joint venture that will combine the strengths and resources of both companies to manufacture and distribute vocational trucks for domestic and global markets.

The initial product focus will target the refuse and construction segments with future products planned for additional vocational markets. Through the venture, the American LaFrance Summerville, SC, manufacturing facility will become the manufacturing hub for the new products.

“We believe the strengths of our vocational line are exponentially enhanced when combined with the proprietary components, engines and distribution of Navistar,” said Patriarch Partners Chief Executive Lynn Tilton. “This will be an exciting journey to build a broad global product offering and we are honored to combine the talents and names of Navistar, Inc. and American LaFrance,” Tilton added.

The joint venture will build upon the engineering platform of American LaFrance and further enhance the product offering with proprietary Navistar components. Navistar engines will be incorporated within the product offering providing a clear advantage for the new line of trucks heading into the 2010 EPA emission requirements.

“Working with American LaFrance is another example of Navistar’s strategy of growth through leveraging our own assets and those that others have built,” said Daniel C. Ustian, Navistar chairman, president and CEO. “This relationship provides us with a new opportunity to further grow our business globally and meet the needs of customers through a new line of vocational vehicles.”

The companies have commissioned teams to focus on truck and engine opportunities. The initiatives contemplated by the Term Sheet are subject to completion of due diligence, execution of definitive agreements and regulatory approvals.

-continued-

About Navistar

Navistar International Corporation (NYSE: NAV - News) traces its roots to 1831 and the former McCormick and International Harvester companies. Today Navistar is the largest North American producer of mid-range diesel engines and Class 6-8 commercial trucks and buses. Navistar produces International® brand commercial and military vehicles, MaxxForce™ brand diesel engines, IC brand school and commercial buses, and Workhorse® brand chassis for motor homes and step vans, and is a private label designer and manufacturer of diesel engines for the pickup truck, van and SUV markets. Navistar is also a provider of truck and diesel engine parts. Another affiliate offers financing services. Additional information is available at: www.navistar.com.

About American LaFrance

American LaFrance, LLC, is a leading manufacturer of fire, rescue and vocational vehicles. Through its predecessor entities, the Company is one of the oldest fire apparatus manufacturers in the United States, dating back to its founding in 1832. The Company operates four manufacturing facilities with over 200 dealership locations throughout North America.

It's not very likely

I agree, It sound like wishful thinking on the employees part. although that would be a smart move for Ferrara.

AMERICAN LAFRANCE TO BYPASS 2010 FDIC EXHIBITION; COMPANY TO FOCUS ON FUTURE BUSINESS

(3/5/2010)

For Immediate Release

Contact: Richard Ball 843-486-7852

RichardBall@AmericanLaFrance.com

American LaFrance to Bypass 2010 FDIC Exhibition;

Company Focused On Future Business

Summerville, SC - American LaFrance has decided that it will not exhibit at the 2010

FDIC show in Indianapolis. Citing a downturn in municipal funding for fire apparatus,

American LaFrance President Bill Hinz believes the company must focus all of its

efforts on meeting current customer needs and being positioned for the future.

“All the projections and conversations we have had with customers and friends

within the industry point to a rough year in 2010,” says Hinz. “FDIC is an important

event for the industry, and we will have a presence there in future years, but our

primary focus is continuing to support our customers related to new orders,

delivering back log, and meeting our financial objectives.”

American LaFrance announced in April 2009 multiple plant closures aimed at

consolidating all of its manufacturing to its headquarters in Summerville, SC. To

date, consolidation plans are complete except for the Ephrata, PA facility, long

known as “LTI”, which will remain as a ladder production facility.

“In talking with our customers, we felt a presence in the northeast was critical,” says

Karen Haun, newly appointed Vice President of Customer Service. “Similar to our

Los Angeles facility, Ephrata will function as a corporate service facility with parts,

service, warranty, and refurbishment capabilities. We will also keep the ladder

engineering and manufacturing in Ephrata, which satisfies our customers concerns.”

Hinz adds that missing the 2010 FDIC show is just one of many tough decisions the

company has made over the past few years, but believes the sacrifices will pay off.

“Having been through the setbacks of our past, our employees know how to

navigate through today’s rough economic times. We are now a more financially

responsible company. Our product diversity in and outside of the fire industry is an

asset many of our competitors do not have. Our most encouraging indicator of

progress is that our monthly deliveries are steadily increasing. Moving forward, I

have challenged our team to approach the upcoming years with an eye toward

innovation. In this new decade, we can’t accept trying to be like everybody else. I

believe if we listen to the customer, turn their ideas into reality, and exceed their

expectations, we will be able to achieve all the goals we have set for this great

company. ”

American LaFrance, LLC is a leading manufacturer of fire, rescue and vocational

vehicles. Through its predecessor entities, the Company is one of the oldest fire

apparatus manufacturers in the United States, dating back to its founding in 1832.

American LaFrance continues to manufacturer the industries top lines of fire

apparatus including its Eagle custom fire chassis, Liberty series, aerial apparatus,

and a full line of custom pumper products. American LaFrance is located in

Summerville, SC with additional corporate service locations in Los Angeles, CA and

Ephrata, PA.

Looks like White Plains FD has returned to Smeal for their engine bodies (after the last two being Pierce Contenders).

Seth

Pierce was one of the four companies to submit a bid, Smeal was the lowest.

Nice pump panel layout and use of handwheels. What's the "road/pump" style manual switch on the right side for? I've not seen one of these outside the cab before.

Tank to Pump

Two new ones for White Plains

Not only is the pump module heated, all the compartments are heated also.

Note the Tow hook front bumper

White Plains

E-66-----Hurst 32A Spreader, Hurst “O” Cutter, 30” Ram & cribbing, on board power unit w/ 100' reel

B&S portable power unit.

Scheduled for replacement w/new Pumpers 11/09 new Hurst unit out for bid

E-70-----Hurst 32B Spreader, Extractor Cutter, 30” ram 60” ram, Cribbing, onboard power unit

w/100’ reel & B&S portable power unit

E-71-----Hurst 32B Spreader, Hurst “O” Cutter, 30” ram onboard power unit w/100’ reel

B&S portable power unit and cribbing.

R-88 ----Hurst 32A Spreader, MOC II Cutter, 30” ram, 60” ram, Simo power unit,

Power hawk unit and struts, Chain Comealongs, Full Rescue Jack set,

Vetter Hi-pressure air bags, Vetter low pressure airbags & Cribbing,

wizzers, pneumatic hand tools, Ajax tools

Petrogen torches and plasma cutters