Just a guy

Rest In Peace Cezar.... I remember doing many building searches and suspects tracks with him and Pat in Yonkers... they were a great team and Cezars nose was always right on..... a terrible loss

When the County first got their machine they lent it to Yonkers for awhile and I remember using it back then and it was set up on our range of all places.

I then used the county machine again during the plainclothes encounters course I took at the police academy.

We now have our own FATS machine which I will be using tonight and tomorrow during my inservice. We also have a brand new driving simulator which I will be using over the next too days also.

The simulations are real and get your adrenaline pumping.

As far as smaller jobs getting their own FATS machines, I think it's important on a few levels. First, it's a morale booster, cops like knowing that the department is spending money( grant or otherwise) on equipment. Second, in the bigger cities, we have plenty of jobs that get the adrenaline flowing so we are used to the feeling and how to deal with the stress response but in the smaller towns, it may not happen that often so it is very important for those guys to do these simulations so they stay accostomed to that feeling of a full adrenaline rush at a heavy job so you know what to expect and how to deal with it.

It has NOTHING to do with being a feifdom, it has EVERYTHING to do with making sure your cops (no matter how many are in the department) are trained and ready for anything no matter where they work

Realy nothing to explain... It a FD run by NYCDOC that covers Rikers Island. It has no affiliation with FDNY.

FDNYTrucks.com - NYC Corrections FD

The second picture of the truck that looks like an airport fire truck is bad a**, I like the color and paint scheme too

Excellent job by our brothers in California .... their courage, bravery and selfless actions not only bring honor to themselves but also to our profession as a whole.

CC, I'm sorry if I'm missing something here, but I cannot see how anyone can come to a blanket conclusion like that based on reading Ed's post, even though he is someone that obviously comes from a fire background.

I fail to read "anti-cop" anywhere into the above remarks.

Let me clarify my post, I wasn't saying that his post was anti cop. His post was saying how this is a fire service web site which it is. I made reference to the amount of anti cop postings that have been around the past few months.

The bottom line is that there are only maybe 6 active posters here that are cops and It seems like most of the time we are defending our line of work from criticisms from other members.

If it were the other way arund and it was us being critical of the fire service, i'm pretty sure it would be a s*** storm here against us.

The problem is that people use online forums without regard to the same courtesy as you would in person.

My suggestion is to post as is you were sitting in the day room or on the front bumper of a rig following a call. There is a lot of knowledge here.... Some new, some old, some by the book, some by experience... And a bucket full of tweeners. Don't take this blind opportunity to type as an excuse to get away with something you wouldn't have the balls to say to your peers face using the same tone. We all know that the web is full of "keyboard cowboys".

This being said, everyone loosen up when it comes to the down county career officers that pose tough questions on this forum. Much like a subscription to FireEngineering, these guys hold a wealth of knowledge that is every bit as valuable as a class. Stop fighting them on the issues that are known to plague the fire service and use them as a resource.

This is one of the few places in America where constructive conversation about the fire service exists and the moderators are spending too much time babysitting the few instigators and their counterparts with thin skin.

This post says it all, this is a FD website and has no room for cops or our opinions. This is evidenced by the strong amount of anti cop posts...

I came across a car fire on the Taconic State Parkway while driving up to school last March. After checking the car for passengers, I stepped back and began to film. While the NYSP had the Southbound lanes closed, one impatient citizen decided to drive up on the shoulder to get around. Listen to the commentary from a retired FF who stopped at the scene as well.

I personally like the comment "Gotta get back to the city" at 00:57.

**WARNING DOES INCLUDE SOME CURSING**

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yqv43VBHGOc

sound like me whenever I have to direct traffic

Crime Cop, I'm tempted to make some comments about giving up liberty in exchange for security, but I think we all know someone already used that line a long time ago :-)

I'd like you to read this, it's measured and thoughtful, no ranting, it pretty much encapsulates a lot of what I personally feel about the post-9/11 world:

http://www.episcopalcafe.com/daily/war_and_peace/every_day_diplomacy.php

Note that it all starts with an employee (not an LEO) with a totally wrongheaded idea about the law.

I'm a bit of a naysayer; I don't consent. I push back against the 'post 9/11 world'. Threats are real, but it's all gone a bit too far.

On the issue of 'attitude' you're totally correct of course, but with respect that goes both both ways. The vast vast vast majority of photographers will be perfectly innocent remember. So be gentle with us, ok? :-) - if a cop approaches me and is friendly but professional they'll get respect and complete co-operation in return. If they come out swinging, giving me the BS 'you can't photograph that!' attitude, then obviously my own attitude will be different.

Helicopper, I wouldn't have a problem with being contacted as you describe, and I 100% agree with you on the 'need something to do' point - I think Photounit was wrong there. Photography is NOT normally a suspicious activity, but a friendly contact, just keeping an eye on what's going on in his jurisdiction, whilst at the same time keeping a professional mind open for any signs that this may after all be suspicious, that's great, that's exactly what a cop should be doing. But that is NOT what happened according to the account by Photounit:

"...and then was told by a NYS Trooper " You should know better" To which I replied "Excuse me? He then went on to tell me it's illegal to photograph bridges and that I of all people (I had a FD shirt on) should know better. He then went on to tell me that there were signs on the bridge all-over forbidding photography and that I needed permission to do what I was doing..."

That's NOT checking him out to see what he's up to. That's where it all went wrong, and I've heard stories of it going wrong that same way so many times it's depressing.

Mike

mike,

I read that article and it is written by someone who has no clue about law enforcement or how it works but has no problem telling us how we should do our jobs. There are also many people that post here that feel free to do the same thing.

I understand what the author was saying but there are many times when the police have no choice in what we do.

I will give you an example...

When the pope came to dunwoodie a few years ago the concessions were up the hill from the main viewing area. When the secret service ordered it, we had to close off the main viewing area and not let anyone back in, NO MATTER WHAT. As a result of this many people who were at the concessions at the time of the closing got seperated from their groups. Did I necessarily agree with this, No, but it didnt matter because my job was not to agree, it was to enforce the security procedures that were put in place by the lead agency.

It's easy to make the cops the bad guys, the fall guy for societys troubles is a role we know well, but as I said before, place blame where it actually belongs - with the animals who attacked us.

These cops did an outstanding job and made it look easy !!!! Congrats Brothers

Sorry, but I'm not buying your attitude....I guess you think I'm stupid..... Is this the way you treat all your citizens where you work? It also appears that it's hard for you to fathom I did nothing wrong.... I was in the park legally and the park was open to the public at the time. When the park closes, there are gates that are locked to prevent the public from entering. I was nothing short of polite to the officer but it seemed to me he had his mind made up before we even spoke. He needed something to do and I was it..... In the post 9-11 era this crap has to stop... I'm done ..... You all know how I feel and their are plenty more people who feel the same way....

and Thanks Dan!

There is it, the time and time again anti cop attitude..... " he needed something to do and I was it." Some of you guys have such a skewed view of law enforcement it's pathetic.

I don't even know you to think you are stupid, I think you are taking all this too seriously and are not looking a this from both sides. As far as how I treat the people in Yonkers when I work....I treat them the way they deserve to be treated based on their attitude and the circumstances surrounding what they did. My experience in the PD has also given me the ability to see through peoples stories and realize that everyone will embellish their side to make themselves seem more right.

Whatever it is the bottom line is still the fact that this is the post 9/11 world ( in case you haven't watched the news lately and realize that we are still a target and still under a constant threat) and all of our lives had to change. You taking pictures and being challenged by the cops is another way that life has changed... we all have to deal with it and in the grand scheme of thing, it's not that big of a deal.

The bottom line is this is the post 9/11 world and you guys have to deal with it. If you are so bent out of shape with how some cops deal with you, instead of complaining about it, place blame where it really belongs... with the hajis who take pictures with the ill intent of using them against our country.

Most jurisdictions have ordinances about being in a park after dark... did it ever strike you that this is why the trooper asked you to leave ?

In the post 9/11 world you have to use your head... you will be challenged by the police more often than not and your attitude will more than likely mean the difference between being allowed to stay and being being made to leave.

This article means nothing just like everything else the aclu puts out, it's all garbage. If I stop someone as a suspicous person and they hand me this article I am going to laugh at them and hand it right back to them and continue my investigation into their conduct.

This is another example of people who have no clue about law enforcement trying to tell us how we should act and how we should do our jobs.

Notice how the author of this piece of leftist garbage takes a swipe at the police, "Police officers may legitimately order citizens to cease activities that are truly interfering with legitimate law enforcement operations. Professional officers, however, realize that such operations are subject to public scrutiny, including by citizens photographing them."

So the way I take it is that if I back somebody away from a scene then I am not professional ?

If you feel the need to go to scenes and take pictures, just use your head and stay away and take pictures and if you are challenged by a cop, just don't act like a tool and you will be ok ... and for the love of God don't go quoting the aclu article !!!!!

copied from the article -

Another witness to the soccer match, a man in his mid-30s who also refused to give his name, said the police response was overblown.

"It was not necessary to arrest anybody," he said. "Nobody hit a cop. There were no punches thrown at a cop. It was a soccer game. Passions were high. It happens all the time."

Maybe in this clowns world it's ok to have a riot on in a county park but not here... Great job by all the MOS involved.

It's good to see that ICE is going to send at least 2 of them packing....

I believe riot falls under the crimes of low moral turpitude and therefore a conviction or a plea of guilty would make them ineligible to even apply for admitance to the US. A legal alien who is convicted of a moral turpitude crime within 5 years of being admitted to the US is eligible for deportation. If a legal alien has 2 convictions for moral turpitude crimes then it doesn't matter how long they have been here, they are then eligible for removal.

Congrats to my brothers and sisters in the NYSP, it is well deserved ! I have had the pleasure of working on assignments with uniformed troopers and also with the guys in the violent felony warrant squad and the c-net team (community narcotics enforcement) and they are all gentlemen and all very professional.

once again you contradict yourself in a post. You complain about too many jursidictions on the water but then you speak of team work, once again I just don't get it.... or understand it.

Incidentally, yes you can be stopped on the thruway by the jurisdiction that you are currently driving through, and the MTA does not have federal jurisdiction, they have multi state (connecticut and New York) but not federal.

its way out of ypd jurisdiction ,why would yonkers cover the tee zee bridge when you have wcpd state pd and rockland county police and local fd,s this is the issues boaters are having all these police angencys with boats going and potroling out side ther areas,

The decisions of what patrol boats cover where aren't made by the public, they are made in collaboration with all of the agencies involved, including homeland security.

Yonkers does security checks on the bridge and assists the other PD's because contrary to what all of the complaining masses might think, all these jurisdictions don't have boats in the area all the time, the yonkers boat is always ready and close to respond. The state PD has a huge area to cover as does the county.

The issue that a handful of boaters have is that they don't want to be stopped for safety checks, not who is patrolling outside of their jurisdiction, i'm not really sure where you are getting your information but it's not correct.

Again you contradict your previous post of the more boats the better... I still just don't get your point.

The police boats are always manned and are on the river ready to go so they are able to get to scenes quicker in many cases than the local volunteer FD's.

Keeps the vehicle safe when it is operating in areas by cemetaries.

This will more than likely go down as one of the funniest and best posts of the year !!! Very Very Good !!!

way to much police boats out there just trying to show numbers,wcpd does great job as well as rockland pd ,and all local fd,s work well together and all have a job to do ,but need to under stand each others job when dispachted to a call,i ben on fd calls by sleepyhollow and have had ypd on scene ,thats a bit out of the way ,and in winter months its left up to fd to respond to calls with the help of wcpd ,fd.s have a responce plan from 1 to 3 boat s dispachted most of time you get the mrong location people panic and dont no the exact location there at so this helps with the more boats we have its faster and safer its big and some times dark out there and it works out good .its like a needle in a haystack.60 control sent ossining pd to a jumper down one night.its all about responce time to save a life or some one in danger and in need of medical asst,thats the job we do ,its not a party invite;

The Yonkers Police Marine Unit gets called by multiple agenices to assist as far south as the GWB and as far north as well past the TZB, this includes doing security checks of both bridges. Yonkers gets requested by the NYPD if there are no NYPD launches in the hudson in northern manhattan and the bronx. Our boat gets requested by the coast guard constantly, by 60 control, county PD, etc... our boat is always manned and on the river so our guys can get to things quick. I don't understand most of your post, you seem to say that yonkers showing up near sleepy hollow was a bit out of the way but then you go on to say that the more boats you have, the safer and faster it is, so i'm not seeing the point ?

1. @crime cop I'm not trash talking anyone or anything of that nature so choose your words wisely in the future and it seems as if all of you are trying to make a mountain out of a hill here. You're right, I'm not involved with law enforcement or fire or anything of the sort. I'm just a person with an interest in it and a photographer, what does that have to do with anything? Because I'm not, I'm not allowed to have an opinion on such a subject? Did you know Danroy Henry? Who are you to judge what he was? How do you know he was a punk scumbag kid? Last I checked, Pace University didn't just accept anyone/everyone. It's a tier 2 school which says something. Again, lack of thinking before speaking here.

2. How many of you were actually there that night? Unless you were, you're going based on speculation and judging someone without knowing them. How can you call him a punk or a scumbag or anything? For all you know he was a great kid with good grades who made a mistake and a situation got completely blown out of proportion.

3. What differed that night from any other night at any other bar that gets over crowded and isn't iding for underage people as they should? How many times does a bar like Paulies in P'ville get over crowded and have way more kids in there drinking that are underage than they should? The point being that why was that situation handled than anywhere else or was it? Based on what I heard and read, things got out of hand and spiraled in a negative direction.

4. @crimecop As far as a doctor and his diagnosis goes, it depends on what it is. I've had spinal surgery before, so yes I did second guess his diagnosis and yes I did go for a second opinion. I even for a 3rd and 4th opinion.

5. Yes, I'm aware that a multijurisdictional investigation was done. I am also aware that half of those investigations were done by the agencies that were involved so I don't necessarily agree with that part of it. I think it should have been outsourced right from the getgo.

6. @pfdres47cue I have nothing against P.O. Hess, I don't know him at all and wouldn't even know who he was if I fell over him. I'm sure he's a nice guy and a good asset to the force. However, I don't agree with anyone standing in front of a vehicle in a situation like that. To me, I would have officers on either side of the vehicle but not in front or behind. From what I understand, the kid was dead before the car sandwiched Hess. So when you shoot someone to kill in a moving vehicle with their foot on the gas pedal, do you expect the vehicle to magically stop so the officer or whomever can get out of the way? No. I just don't agree with the killing of a kid. Procedure or not, I think there were other alternatives. I know it's not like he had an eternity to weigh in on and think about his options but still.

7. I don't think he or anyone should deserve a medal for what was done. Especially so soon after and to publicize it. When you boil it down it's basically, congratulations you shot and killed someone so here's a medal for your actions, good job. I understand his life was on the line and it was on the line of duty but I don't think his life needed to be on the line. As I said earlier, I have nothing against him. I knew nothing of his existance until that incident and the details were released.

8. @mfc2257, I don't know that I would necessarily pull the trigger at the kid. If you can keep someone alive by not shooting them, would you? I would. I don't know that I wouldn't shoot the engine block and disable the vehicle that way while keeping the kid alive. I don't think anyone had to die that night. If you're a p.o. and you make a traffic stop with your partner, do either of you go to the front of the vehicle and stand there so the person can't get away? No. Do you or anyone honestly belive that this kid had to die? When you're in a traffic stop and someone takes off, do you automatically pull out your gun and try to shoot them or do you jump in your cruiser and chase/guide him and use a pit if possible?

9. I'm not siding with anyone on this. I don't think the parents/family should be continuing to sue everyone and their mother to get something out of it. It's time to let their son rest. No matter how hard they try and what they do, they can't bring him back.

10.@mfc2257 Why do you think that because I disagree with something, I automatically have an issue with that person? So when you disagree with something someone does or says, you automatically have an issue with them?

11. At the end of the day, what does some rap artist or any artist making reference to someone have any effect on you? Why should you care what they do? Who are you to tell them what they can and can't say? If you don't like the reference, don't listen to the song or artist. People coming on some emergency services forum and complaining about it to one another isn't going to make it go away or make the artist care. They don't know about any of this and I don't really think they care to.

12. I'm sorry that I'm not a bandwagoner on this subject. I quite often come on this site and read the forums and not very often do I see someone actually disagree. I guess I know why now, as soon as they do you have 10 people jumping down your throat. Bottom line is, you can all disagree with me and say what you want about my thoughts and reasoning. I don't really care, they're still my opinions and I'm still going to stick by them as you will yours. Now, this is the last I'm speaking of this subject so I'd suggest that whatever issues you may have with my thoughts and opinions, you keep to yourself as I couldn't care less about it.

I don't give a s*** if dj henry was a rhodes scholar and he went to harvard, he tried to kill a cop, one of my brothers , and yes in my book that makes him a punk scumbag.

As far as pace goes, I've dealt with some of the worst lawyers in westchester who have graduated from pace, so pace doen't impress me.

No matter what the situation was in the bar that night, it doesn't change the fact that this kid was issued a lawful order by a police officer and instead of stopping, he refused the order and struck the police officer.

As far as the investigation goes, the DOJ monitered the entire thing and found nothing wrong with it, but i guess you know something they don't.

Shoot the engine block ? What are you dirty harry ? This suggestion shows your ignorance on all things law enforcement. You strike me as the type that thinks that because you watch cops and americas most wanted and you take a few pictures of police cars, that makes you knowledgeable... IT DOESN'T.....

You know nothing about traffic stops or who should be where or what the officers are feeling?

How many life or death situations have you been in? It seems like you shy away fom dangerous professions so I will say close to none so you have no clue how fast you have to make a decision and in this case it was a decision to use deadly force. Not only does PO Hess have to live with his decision for the rest of his life, he has to deal with people like you monday morning quarterbacking what he did. It's easy to second guess from the safety of your den or your living room isn't it ?

AS I reread your post to make sure I covered all of the points you tried to make, it seems that you have some type of blinders on to the truth and seem to have out your own twists to the story. You say he was already dead before he struck PO Hess, where did you get that from ? I never once heard that version of the story.

You are just an angry person with an axe to grind against law enforcement. I wonder if dj henry had God forbid struck and killed someone in your family while he was driving highly intoxicated back to the pace campus how much different you would feel.

I'm not going to get into it. I'm not looking for drama or an argument,people are entitled to their own opinions, I'm not trying to call out the people who agree with it for whatever reasons they may have. You have your reasons for agreeing and putting him on a pedastal and calling him a hero. I have my reasons for yanking him off said pedastal and not hailing him as a hero so I'm just going to leave it at that.

Going by what your profile says, you are not a cop and in no way affiliated with law enforcement but yet you see fit to come on this site and talk trash about a cop who was almost killed by some punk scumbag intoxicated kid.

When you go to the doctor do you second guess his diagnosis ? When you go to the accountant, do you tell him he is doing your taxes wrong ? The answer is probably no to all of these questions so why do you think it's o.k. to second guess a veteran professional police officer with extensive training and experience ?

You do realize that after a multijurisdictional probe and an extensive one at that and after having all the facts presented to a grand jury, all the officers involved in this case were cleared of any wrong doing correct ?

Cops work 8 hours a day getting s*** from people who don't agree with what we do or how we do our jobs, the last thing I want to do is get out of work, come home and look at EMTbravo and have to see the same nonsense that I get at work

Honestly, who cares? The first line about the dedication is basically as close as they get to referencing the actual incident. People need to stop making mountains out of hills here. It's really not that big a deal if you ask me. I don't listen to either one of them personally but I have a lot of respect for Jay-Z. He's not a stupid person and has been wise with his money/investments. I don't listen to much rap at all and if I do, it's some of the older stuff from the 90's and 80's. I'm more of a punk person myself.

I don't agree with most of what was said by people in regards to the handling of that whole situation, not gonna get into specifics but I just disagree and don't think that officer deserved any sort of medal or commendation for it.

P.O. Hess was engaging an armed advesary, DJ henry was armed with a 2 ton vehicle and was using it as a weapon against officer Hess. PO Hess thankfully put down the threat but was severly injured in the process having his knee cap pushed up into his thigh.

P.O. Hess saved countless lives that night by putting himself in harms way instead of letting a highly intoxicated driver drive through a crowded parking lot. P.O. Hess acted heroically and selflessly. He is a hero in my book and is deserving of a lot more than a medal.

It's time to stop being nice and CRUSH these riots. I don't know what kind of equipment is available in London but it appears that Dogs, less than lethal munitions, LRAD'S, and an army of cops is needed.

If memory serves, it seems that London had had a lot of rioting in the past few months. Something to think about is whether or not people are taking advantage of the police being unarmed, and the fact that the police try to calm sitautions verbally first. It's 2011 and this may not be the best way to police anymore.

I wish the best of luck to my brothers and sisters in England, I hope they are safe and put this riot down quickly.

There is no such thing as a "Routine Stop"

Rest In Peace my Brother and may the injured officers recover quickly and fully.

I agree with sending a letter to the barracks. These days, people are so quick to run to the precinct to complain about every little thing we do but people almost NEVER write a letter or call to speak to the Sergeant to say when we do something good.

I got the following statement from the NYS dept. of parks website -

"A strong law enforcement presence on our waters is also crucial to the safe boating effort. The marine patrol officer serves many functions. Through the enforcement of the Navigation Law, marine patrols can remove the dangerous boater from the water. They are also quite often the first respondents to a boater in trouble. Marine patrols serve as visual reminders to the boating public that they have a responsibility toward the safety of other boaters, as well as toward themselves. Many of these patrols consider educating boaters as much a part of the job as writing tickets; they often teach safety courses for youth, distribute safety information at boat shows and county fairs, and provide on-the-spot information to the waterborne boater who is unaware of proper safe boating practices."

Like it or not, these checks are essential and a protest is just a waste of time. If boaters on the Hudson don't like the safety checks then they should put their boats on some other body of water, it's as simple as that.

It does make me laugh to see how much the word "harassment" is thrown around on these threads when it comes to the action of Law Enforcement, it seems that I hear it as much here as I do at work......