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Anytime an unmarked vehicle of that size shows up at ANY scene, it's a good bet nothing good has happened, and that the vehicle serves a purpose that if lettered would scare the crap out of the general public.

Anytime an unmarked vehicle of that size shows up at ANY scene, it's a good bet nothing good has happened, and that the vehicle serves a purpose that if lettered would scare the crap out of the general public.

Holy Hannah, that is one ugly f$&*%ng truck.

Anytime an unmarked vehicle of that size shows up at ANY scene, it's a good bet nothing good has happened, and that the vehicle serves a purpose that if lettered would scare the crap out of the general public.

My department now is a fire department. I work for and get paid by them.
I also belong to a union. We do fundraising, coordinate the honor guard, get members involved in the parades, sponsor a little league team as well as a whole host of other items (including negotiating our contracts.)
Wow, look... We have two separate organizations. Both with similar goals but different functions.
Just because YOU don't get the system, doesn't mean it's stupid or a waste of time and energy. The NY fire system is a little convoluted, but it is also filled with tradition and in many cases, pride.
There are things you just can't get done from the floor. The separate organizations provide a means to get things done in many cases.

My department now is a fire department. I work for and get paid by them.
I also belong to a union. We do fundraising, coordinate the honor guard, get members involved in the parades, sponsor a little league team as well as a whole host of other items (including negotiating our contracts.)
Wow, look... We have two separate organizations. Both with similar goals but different functions.
Just because YOU don't get the system, doesn't mean it's stupid or a waste of time and energy. The NY fire system is a little convoluted, but it is also filled with tradition and in many cases, pride.
There are things you just can't get done from the floor. The separate organizations provide a means to get things done in many cases.

My department now is a fire department. I work for and get paid by them.
I also belong to a union. We do fundraising, coordinate the honor guard, get members involved in the parades, sponsor a little league team as well as a whole host of other items (including negotiating our contracts.)
Wow, look... We have two separate organizations. Both with similar goals but different functions.
Just because YOU don't get the system, doesn't mean it's stupid or a waste of time and energy. The NY fire system is a little convoluted, but it is also filled with tradition and in many cases, pride.
There are things you just can't get done from the floor. The separate organizations provide a means to get things done in many cases.

My department now is a fire department. I work for and get paid by them.
I also belong to a union. We do fundraising, coordinate the honor guard, get members involved in the parades, sponsor a little league team as well as a whole host of other items (including negotiating our contracts.)
Wow, look... We have two separate organizations. Both with similar goals but different functions.
Just because YOU don't get the system, doesn't mean it's stupid or a waste of time and energy. The NY fire system is a little convoluted, but it is also filled with tradition and in many cases, pride.
There are things you just can't get done from the floor. The separate organizations provide a means to get things done in many cases.

Back at ya, bro.

WHAT?!?!? I don't believe it. Next you'll be telling me the taxpayers buy you T-Shirts and uniforms too! Unbelievable.
Seriously, thank you for having some common sense. Happy Thanksgiving.

My department now is a fire department. I work for and get paid by them.
I also belong to a union. We do fundraising, coordinate the honor guard, get members involved in the parades, sponsor a little league team as well as a whole host of other items (including negotiating our contracts.)
Wow, look... We have two separate organizations. Both with similar goals but different functions.
Just because YOU don't get the system, doesn't mean it's stupid or a waste of time and energy. The NY fire system is a little convoluted, but it is also filled with tradition and in many cases, pride.
There are things you just can't get done from the floor. The separate organizations provide a means to get things done in many cases.

You're not safe in any ambulance. No manufacturer does adequate testing. Horton won't release their crash test data. The way to ensure safety is to insist on specs that increase occupant safety i.e. restraints, equipment securing and design features.
Most importantly, you need to train your drivers. Do background driving checks on them. Don't let them speed. Speed and these vehicles are a match made for disaster. Train them to drive safe and slow.

§139.317 Aircraft rescue and firefighting: Equipment and agents.
Unless otherwise authorized by the Administrator, the following rescue and firefighting equipment and agents are the minimum required for the Indexes referred to in §139.315:
(a) Index A. One vehicle carrying at least—
(1) 500 pounds of sodium-based dry chemical, halon 1211, or clean agent; or
(2) 450 pounds of potassium-based dry chemical and water with a commensurate quantity of AFFF to total 100 gallons for simultaneous dry chemical and AFFF application.
(Index B. Either of the following:
(1) One vehicle carrying at least 500 pounds of sodium-based dry chemical, halon 1211, or clean agent and 1,500 gallons of water and the commensurate quantity of AFFF for foam production.
(2) Two vehicles—
(i) One vehicle carrying the extinguishing agents as specified in paragraphs (a)(1) or (a)(2) of this section; and
(ii) One vehicle carrying an amount of water and the commensurate quantity of AFFF so the total quantity of water for foam production carried by both vehicles is at least 1,500 gallons.
© Index C. Either of the following:
(1) Three vehicles—
(i) One vehicle carrying the extinguishing agents as specified in paragraph (a)(1) or (a)(2) of this section; and
(ii) Two vehicles carrying an amount of water and the commensurate quantity of AFFF so the total quantity of water for foam production carried by all three vehicles is at least 3,000 gallons.
(2) Two vehicles—
(i) One vehicle carrying the extinguishing agents as specified in paragraph ((1) of this section; and
(ii) One vehicle carrying water and the commensurate quantity of AFFF so the total quantity of water for foam production carried by both vehicles is at least 3,000 gallons.
(d) Index D. Three vehicles—
(1) One vehicle carrying the extinguishing agents as specified in paragraphs (a)(1) or (a)(2) of this section; and
(2) Two vehicles carrying an amount of water and the commensurate quantity of AFFF so the total quantity of water for foam production carried by all three vehicles is at least 4,000 gallons.
(e) Index E. Three vehicles—
(1) One vehicle carrying the extinguishing agents as specified in paragraphs (a)(1) or (a)(2) of this section; and
(2) Two vehicles carrying an amount of water and the commensurate quantity of AFFF so the total quantity of water for foam production carried by all three vehicles is at least 6,000 gallons.
(f) Foam discharge capacity. Each aircraft rescue and firefighting vehicle used to comply with Index B, C, D, or E requirements with a capacity of at least 500 gallons of water for foam production must be equipped with a turret. Vehicle turret discharge capacity must be as follows:
(1) Each vehicle with a minimum-rated vehicle water tank capacity of at least 500 gallons, but less than 2,000 gallons, must have a turret discharge rate of at least 500 gallons per minute, but not more than 1,000 gallons per minute.
(2) Each vehicle with a minimum-rated vehicle water tank capacity of at least 2,000 gallons must have a turret discharge rate of at least 600 gallons per minute, but not more than 1,200 gallons per minute.
(g) Agent discharge capacity. Each aircraft rescue and firefighting vehicle that is required to carry dry chemical, halon 1211, or clean agent for compliance with the Index requirements of this section must meet one of the following minimum discharge rates for the equipment installed:
(1) Dry chemical, halon 1211, or clean agent through a hand line—5 pounds per second.
(2) Dry chemical, halon 1211, or clean agent through a turret—16 pounds per second.
(h) Extinguishing agent substitutions. Other extinguishing agent substitutions authorized by the Administrator may be made in amounts that provide equivalent firefighting capability.
(i) AFFF quantity requirements. In addition to the quantity of water required, each vehicle required to carry AFFF must carry AFFF in an appropriate amount to mix with twice the water required to be carried by the vehicle.
(j) Methods and procedures. FAA Advisory Circulars contain methods and procedures for ARFF equipment and extinguishing agents that are acceptable to the Administrator.
(k) Implementation. Each holder of a Class II, III, or IV Airport Operating Certificate must implement the requirements of this section no later than 36 consecutive calendar months after June 9, 2004.
[Doc. No. FAA-2000-7479, 69 FR 6424, Feb. 10, 2004; Amdt. 139-26, 69 FR 31523, June 4, 2004]

You're not safe in any ambulance. No manufacturer does adequate testing. Horton won't release their crash test data. The way to ensure safety is to insist on specs that increase occupant safety i.e. restraints, equipment securing and design features.
Most importantly, you need to train your drivers. Do background driving checks on them. Don't let them speed. Speed and these vehicles are a match made for disaster. Train them to drive safe and slow.

We found that with the E450 chassis, gear and two crew members, we rapidly approached max GVW. This is one reason we moved to the C4500 and now the Terra Star chassis.
Get in a bad wreck, your vehicle will likely get weighed. Don't end up on the wrong side of the scale.

Why worry about it, all you have to consider is which light pattern you want; Red, White, Blue. and the paint job........
Maybe that's why NFPA came out with a standard. There was a thread about that and why EMS should pay attention to it. It will be the document that is used against you in court.

Holy Hannah, that is one ugly f$&*%ng truck.

We found that with the E450 chassis, gear and two crew members, we rapidly approached max GVW. This is one reason we moved to the C4500 and now the Terra Star chassis.
Get in a bad wreck, your vehicle will likely get weighed. Don't end up on the wrong side of the scale.

Holy Hannah, that is one ugly f$&*%ng truck.

Holy Hannah, that is one ugly f$&*%ng truck.

We found that with the E450 chassis, gear and two crew members, we rapidly approached max GVW. This is one reason we moved to the C4500 and now the Terra Star chassis.
Get in a bad wreck, your vehicle will likely get weighed. Don't end up on the wrong side of the scale.

I've been doing this EMS thing for over 20 years now. I've worked in busy, nasty urban areas, sleepy rural areas and pretty much everything in between. The poster who claims that we need to be armed, and he'd put someone down who was gonna hurt him...wow. Just, wow. With a mindset like that, EMS is NOT for you, pal. If you showed up to work with me, and started with that attitude, I'd drop you off at the next corner and wish you well.
I am a STRONG supporter of the 2nd amendment, and I want no part of having to carry weapons at work. Have I been in fights? Yup. Hairy situations? A few. But looking back, they were mostly avoidable and walking away (or running for that matter) will get you out of trouble you probably never should have been part of in the first place.
Quite frankly, you scare me more than the EDP's do. Put down an EDP? Beacuse they threatened your life? Do you know how many times in a busy urban area EMT's get threatened each year? We both can't count that high.
A few other points: Concealed carry won't stop an assault. They dont know you have it, so it's not a deterent.
Additionally, cops carry a number of tools to repsond to threats of force, or force. They have rules of engagement, force must be met with force. They don't just draw down and waste every person that threatens them. Please, please rethink your approach to EMS.

The one they give me. It is my favorite, mostly because the price is right.

Somehow, someway, I'll get by. I gave up worrying what the cool kids wore LONG ago.

Two options
1)They move themselves. They get out of the car and lie down on our stretcher.
2) You use a long board, scoop, vacuum mattress or other full length extrication device. To quote the draft again : "Do NOT use short board or KED device."
Also, no more standing take downs. Eliminated from protocol.
Talk about going against everything we've done for years, huh?