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It should not be the responsibility of a business owner to provide personnel to respond to emergencies at the expense of his / her business. Granted the business owner is not mandated to pay the employees who choose to volunteer at a disaster scene, but businesses depend upon their employees showing up to work to insure a profitable operation. Business owners are already required to pay their fair share of taxes, this law results in forcing business owners to contribute more via lost productivity which will cause him / her to suffer reduced revenue.

Your right. But in a catastrophic emergency its called doing the right thing. JMO be safe.

You know I just don't get it. We are all suppose too be fire service brothers and sisters. Yeah I know BMA, its very real.

BUT why would people here on this forum be against this? On one hand people here argue about short staffing and not having enough people to do a job. THEN when something gets passed, that may help manpower in a catastrophic emergency, there are people against it.

Wow. JMO be safe all.

I'm not sure the intent for this bill was for the firefighter taking a month off.

I think it was created to protect the firefighter who takes a day or two off if the community he serves in is hit with a major emergency situation.

There is legislation in Albany to try and change this. Not sure where its at though.

http://www.fasny.com/pdfs/2014Scorecard.pdf

As far as LOSAP........Don't know the type of recording system used for alarms as far as keeping track of attendance of membership, but they may have a system where the dispatcher controls how long after an alarm is secured that the logging system stays open.

They also most likely fill out the attendance records for each alarm as well as record the state report.

I predict less and less parades in the future, with the exception of Memorial Day parades. It is a HUGE pain in the ass for the hosting department most of the time.

From some photos I inherited ...similar Rescue 1 and 4 from 1972ish.

typical volunteer bullshit. hill billys need their beer and liquor in the firehouse. They give THEMSELVES a bad rap. Maybe they should attempt to uphold themselves to career standards. Bash me all you want. Marks my words. this wont be the last time we see this.

Unfortunately it happens from time to time all over the fire service career and Volunteer, East Coast West Caost. Should be no beer in any firehouse.

http://www.examiner.com/article/allegedly-drunk-on-duty-san-francisco-firefighter-collides-with-motorcyclist

I would assume having 60 control dispatch is a free service correct?

Are Somers dispatch procedures that complicated, and the department that busy that they think 60 control could not handle it?

Or do they just like the "personal" service of having a dispatcher in quarters?

Gotta throw my companies old rig in here as a comparison shot. 1959 Mack midmount 75' foot ladder. This was the first C model mid mount. To that point they were only on L and B models.

Here is a good shot of the Approved Fire Equipment version of the Fox/Mack C. Roslyn Highlands 1957 model. The 2nd of 7 to be produced before someone told them to stop.

This was a 1964 Mack C-95 originially desgnated as Engine 173. When I joined the department in 1972 it was still referred to as the "new truck"...

The very successful C-85 and C-95 were actually based on a design by Ahrens-Fox (Famous for their front mount piston pumpers).

Ahrens-Fox was, at that time, owned by the C.D. Beck Company (Bus Builders). Mack bought C.D Beck in 1956 and kept the tooling for use on their C model. With the pleasing cab-forward design and the Mack ENF 707 Thermodyne engine for a power plant, this truck was an instant hit with Fire Departments across the nation including the FDNY and Chicago F D.

Take a look at the photo below. Does it look familiar? It is actually a 1956 Ahrens-Fox owned by the West Hempstead, NY Fire Department.

Just a little history!

Rig is actually Hempstead. They had 2 of these, well sort of. Approved fire apparatus on Long Island actually "stole" this design and started to build a few look alike engines, sold to LI area departments, one went to Hempstead. Legend has it FDNY was impressed with the Fox/Beck design engine and wanted to place a large order. By the time the contract went through Mack owned the design. Ahrens Fox buffs wonder if the deal would have went through while the design was still in Ahrens Fox production it may have well saved the company.

On a side note West Hempstead had a large Mack fleet. A mix of L's, B's C's and a CF at the same time.

Nice..... low hosebed, short wheel base. Looks like most of the hose is coming off the back. Trash line for the front no booster reel. Like the simple Red painted wheels.

Maybe they realize that there are plenty of Tower Ladders in the area if they need them for the "big ones" and the 75' ladder is just fine for the majority of runs they do. if so good job.

The irony is funny here...you ask for respect but at the same time make a derogatory comment about volunteers "even if there (sic) vollunteer.s. (sic)"

I think he was being sarcastic not being derogatory.

Go where? You are implying that there was an underlying tone Chief Flynn's very valid questions. It seems to me, that you are the one putting a spin on his questions.

There are questions that have to be asked, like the origins of a fire. That's why we have Cause & Origin teams. There are details that inquiring minds want to know. Like if there was adequate manpower at a fire. Like if there may or may not have been some political issues at the firehouse. These are questions that Politicians AND Fire Chiefs answer EVERY DAY, many of them in front of the press(any large city FD).

So why are we not allowed to ask the same questions, just because it was a volunteer department involved?

I think GBFD109 did a great job in giving as many of the facts as he can without getting himself in trouble. *NOTE* The man puts his name on his profile. He's not hiding behind anything...NOT that you are or anyone else is for that matter but he is telling like it is.

As far as disccusing an ongoing investigation into the cause of the fire why in the world would someone want to make a comment on this ESPECIALLY on a public forum like this. He would be opening himself up to a world of nonsense if he did so.

I think what Bottom of Da hill is getting at is the old saying "A Time and a Place for everything" I dont think this is the time and certainly not the place to discuss the problems that the dept may be having internally.

I am postive the investigators (PD, FD on all levels) who are doing the investagation will uncover everything and the facts of what went down will all come out in time. THEN and only then would I think the topic would be fair game for whatever rants anyone wnats to throw out there.

I agree with firechief. I have seen many departments with great response times and no "mess" in getting water, stretching lines, throwing ladders and completing searches, doing it with members responding to the scene. As long as it is done correct (members driving safe in their POV's,keep your POV's off fire block, have full set of dry clean gear to use) it can be a very effective response method for a volunteer dept.

This is being discussed on the Nassau site as well. There will be other manufacturers to pick up the slack if need be. Here's one.

http://www.monitorlongisland.com/scanners/unication-g1

Loosing? that was a long time ago, Then again what is the public expectation in a city that re-elects a mayor with a known criminal/drug history

Not really to familiar with DCFD, just commenting on the "death threats" the firehouse are receiving that was reported in the news clip. I wanted to read the book by Chief Dennis Rubin, DC Fire, but have not. I know he had a rough time when he was in charge there.

What a disgrace to the uniform.

And that goes for the Fire Chief as well. What no PIO to at least keep the press informed if you feel like running from the story and cameras? I can tell you from past experiences you need to get in front of a bad story...and fast. They are loosing the public trust of the community and thats about the worst thing that can happen to a Fire Department. JMO.

RIP. One of those days in which you remember where you were when something happened.

ALF had it? We visited the Refurb plant in Lebenon when we were there in 06, but I'd heard they'd sold that off and brought work back in to the main plant? That was an apparatus buff's dream, tons of apparatus under the roof and a yard full as well. It was a great place to get ideas from so many different types and styles of apparatus. Again, too bad for the employees, the guys we met throughout our visits were all extremely knowledgeable and seemed to take pride in what they were doing.

LTI in Ephrata has the trailer. Spartan is building a new tractor.

As I noted before, we found that Fireline Equipment was extremely knowledgeable, well stocked with parts and very willing to help us. When we couldn't get things through ALF, Fireline had them on the shelf. When we had issues that needed ALF job specific programming for, ALF couldn't help, Fireline did. Fireline is pretty close to Ephrata and has mobile service (they've been here in Rockland, Maine twice) and we just sent our Tower there for 3 days this fall. If you find yourselves struggling for parts or service on an ALF or LTI issue, these guys are great.

Thanks I will keep this in mind! We are in the middle of a refurb and they have half of our tiller in PA. It was suppose to be complete the end of Feb.

My money is on the paper not getting the story straight. After all we still use "Cherry Pickers" at the big ones according to most news agencies!!