v85

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  1. That's what I picture a combined Westchester FD to look like 1 Chief instead of 8, but the 7 that are left are probably needed just because the dept is bigger. For example, the Resource Management Leader now has to order say 1000 sets of turnouts instead of the old 150. Instead of one training officer you now need a Trailing Staff

    Martin; What is the official name of Scotland's new merged fire brigade?

    This is a what a lot of people forget about consolidation and mergers. When you merge multiple smaller agencies you end up with a larger agency. If it is done wrong, you end up with a bloated, slow-moving bureaucracy. Think the kind of place where ordering a roll of toilet paper requires 3 forms and a safety training video


  2. Well it usually takes 5 to 7 business days for accident reports to get entered (possibly longer if a reconstruction was done).

    Have you tried calling 60-control or TMC, if the accident happened in Westchester County, or if they got the original 911 call.

    I'm assuming one of you three is next of kin, so legally releasing information to that person shouldn't be a problem. Also, have you looked for newspaper articles? usually serious MVA's get at least a small article that should have the name of the fire company, ambulance service and police department in it


  3. Part of the problem in that kind of incident comes from dispatchers who have no experience in field emergency services or who are required to blindly follow protocol.

    In one agency outside of NYS that I have knowledge of, any overdose automatically had PD added, but the decision to stage or go in was left with the LT. or CAPT. on the apparatus, not the dispatcher. Most of the time if the caller said the patient was non violent and especially if they were unconsious or CPR in progress they didn't stage


  4. From my reading of it, it seems like the confusion came when the police were asking for EMS for at least 7 minutes.

    The police probably just kept saying "send EMS", which dispatch did, to the staging area; when what the police actually meant was "scene secure, send EMS in". And this isn't the only time that has happened. I have heard a few times on the radio where an officer asks for EMS, then is shocked when he is told they are staging

    How a scene like that could be declared secure so soon, is another issue


  5. I agree that the situation wasn't handled right, but I wonder if there was more to this story...

    What happened before the clip started? Was the photographer going beyond the fire line and warned multiple times? Someone mentioned it looked like the photographer had a dash light in his car, did he cross the line into whacker territory? Was the person in the car one of the firefighter's family members/close friends?

    Not saying those excuse it, but it might explain it

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  6. I agree that EMS should have vests. In the Georgia incident where five firefighters were taken hostage, they were responding to a general illness call and the suspect was sitting in a chair.

    How could anyone have known that scene wasn't safe until it turned bad? Or are people suggesting we send police in first on every EMS/Fire call (good luck with that you would need to hire many more police officers at a prohibitive cost). In fact, if someone was that intent on harming EMS, they would act okay in front of the cops, wait for the scene to be called secure, then pull out the gun.

    Off topic, but properly sized vests are important. When I was an NYPD Auxiliary I frequently had to wear a vest that looked like it was sized for a 12 year old (I came into auxiliary just after they stopped giving individual vests, when I got there I was told they only had female individual vests left)

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  7. I think everyone knows the "real" solution is consolidation and combo departments. But that will never happen.

    Fire Chiefs and Commissioners would scream about losing their kingdoms

    Volunteers will scream that they volunteered for X number of years only to be told they are no longer good enough, and enjoy to enjoy their new position in C.E.R.T.

    Taxpayers will scream about tax hikes to pay firefighters to "do nothing except go on medicals and get cats out of trees"


  8. Actually, per NYS DOH policy statement 10-01, epinepherine and defbrillators (both of which require a medical director to carry) are REQUIRED by part 800.

    http://www.health.ny.gov/professionals/ems/policy/10-01.htm

    Maybe it has to do with what kind of medical director is needed? I was told that a civilian could carry a defib under the PAD program as long as they had a "medical director" to sign off on it, and that it could be any doctor willing to sign the prescription and review AED usage reports. But it didn't have to be an actual medical control doctor


  9. I have a question about the magazine part of the law.

    On one part it says you can't have a 10 round magazine after a year...but on another it says that if you are caught with 8 bullets in the magazine it is a misdemeanor. So if someone has a 10 round magazine, but only loads it with 7 bullets, is that legal or illegal? It seems to be contradictory.

    Maybe those are the mistakes that it refers to that have to be corrected?

    They also forgot to exempt active duty police officers from the 7 round limit.

    They need to do a lot of work on this law to clarify things

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  10. What kind of training does the Sheriff's Office give?

    I know you said that most fire police, including myself, would not arrest anyone except in extreme circumstances, but do you get legal updates to make sure you don't accidentally arrest someone or ruin a case for the sheriff or troopers?

    For example, an obviously intoxicated driver is at the fire police road closure, do you have the authority to tell him to wait for the troopers/sheriff to show up? If so, what have you done, arrested him, made a traffic stop, a detention?

    Or, you have an 11 year old kid who keeps riding his bike past the fire line and trying to touch the apparatus at a working fire; he has done this multiple times; do you have the ability to tell him he has to wait for a parent or the police to come pick him up?

    Or, you go with the ambulance to a medical call, the police aren't there for whatever reason. As the patient is being walked to the ambulance(another issue), they say "I think I want to kill myself" and turns to go back into the house, do you have the ability to tell them now that they have to go with the medic crew? Is that considered an arrest?

    These are just some examples of situations that I feel fire police may find themselves in that aren't all that extreme, yet may not have the training to do, and don't even involve "going hands on"