v85
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Well it usually takes 5 to 7 business days for accident reports to get entered (possibly longer if a reconstruction was done).
Have you tried calling 60-control or TMC, if the accident happened in Westchester County, or if they got the original 911 call.
I'm assuming one of you three is next of kin, so legally releasing information to that person shouldn't be a problem. Also, have you looked for newspaper articles? usually serious MVA's get at least a small article that should have the name of the fire company, ambulance service and police department in it
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Also NJSP NorthSTAR
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We carry hard hats, wrap around safety goggles and heavy leather gloves in our rigs for use during extrication.
Basic PPE for us for anyone inside the car or near the car during extrication is:
Hard Hat
Safety Goggles
Long Sleeved Coat
Leather Gloves
Long Sleeved Pants
Closed toe shoes (with several members having safety toe boots etc)
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Part of the problem in that kind of incident comes from dispatchers who have no experience in field emergency services or who are required to blindly follow protocol.
In one agency outside of NYS that I have knowledge of, any overdose automatically had PD added, but the decision to stage or go in was left with the LT. or CAPT. on the apparatus, not the dispatcher. Most of the time if the caller said the patient was non violent and especially if they were unconsious or CPR in progress they didn't stage
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From my reading of it, it seems like the confusion came when the police were asking for EMS for at least 7 minutes.
The police probably just kept saying "send EMS", which dispatch did, to the staging area; when what the police actually meant was "scene secure, send EMS in". And this isn't the only time that has happened. I have heard a few times on the radio where an officer asks for EMS, then is shocked when he is told they are staging
How a scene like that could be declared secure so soon, is another issue
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http://www.emsworld.com/news/10932127/reports-cite-communications-failure-in-colo-shootings
It seems like there are always mixed messages. Fire/EMS are supposed to wait for scenes to be secured, until a major incident happens.....
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I agree that the situation wasn't handled right, but I wonder if there was more to this story...
What happened before the clip started? Was the photographer going beyond the fire line and warned multiple times? Someone mentioned it looked like the photographer had a dash light in his car, did he cross the line into whacker territory? Was the person in the car one of the firefighter's family members/close friends?
Not saying those excuse it, but it might explain it
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I agree that EMS should have vests. In the Georgia incident where five firefighters were taken hostage, they were responding to a general illness call and the suspect was sitting in a chair.
How could anyone have known that scene wasn't safe until it turned bad? Or are people suggesting we send police in first on every EMS/Fire call (good luck with that you would need to hire many more police officers at a prohibitive cost). In fact, if someone was that intent on harming EMS, they would act okay in front of the cops, wait for the scene to be called secure, then pull out the gun.
Off topic, but properly sized vests are important. When I was an NYPD Auxiliary I frequently had to wear a vest that looked like it was sized for a 12 year old (I came into auxiliary just after they stopped giving individual vests, when I got there I was told they only had female individual vests left)
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I think everyone knows the "real" solution is consolidation and combo departments. But that will never happen.
Fire Chiefs and Commissioners would scream about losing their kingdoms
Volunteers will scream that they volunteered for X number of years only to be told they are no longer good enough, and enjoy to enjoy their new position in C.E.R.T.
Taxpayers will scream about tax hikes to pay firefighters to "do nothing except go on medicals and get cats out of trees"
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I kind of lump that stuff all together, along with the entitlement society. "You mean I actually have to do dirty, sweaty, grimy WORK, and go into hazardous situations, I just wanted the title and the blue lights for my car"
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According to the article, FASNY focus groups said that fear of going into burning buildings is one of the major reasons why people don't volunteer.
Why is this such an issue now as opposed to the past? Do the Everyone Goes Home/Victim Survivabilty Profiling type programs have unintended consequences?
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Actually, per NYS DOH policy statement 10-01, epinepherine and defbrillators (both of which require a medical director to carry) are REQUIRED by part 800.
Maybe it has to do with what kind of medical director is needed? I was told that a civilian could carry a defib under the PAD program as long as they had a "medical director" to sign off on it, and that it could be any doctor willing to sign the prescription and review AED usage reports. But it didn't have to be an actual medical control doctor
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I would assume that the paramedics are operating as EMT-B's, with extra knowledge and assessment skills until/if they get ALS back
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So is it confirmed only ALS is affected, not BLS. I just saw a Care 1 rig yesterday in Wallkill headed towards ORMC, with only one person in the front.
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Who actually suspended them? NYS DOH or HVREMSCO? If its HVREMSCO, it is very well possible that their BLS operations are not affected in Westchester, which is considered a different region.
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Apparently in one paper it says it will take weeks to pass additional legislation to fix all of the problems
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I have a question about the magazine part of the law.
On one part it says you can't have a 10 round magazine after a year...but on another it says that if you are caught with 8 bullets in the magazine it is a misdemeanor. So if someone has a 10 round magazine, but only loads it with 7 bullets, is that legal or illegal? It seems to be contradictory.
Maybe those are the mistakes that it refers to that have to be corrected?
They also forgot to exempt active duty police officers from the 7 round limit.
They need to do a lot of work on this law to clarify things
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I agree that unless you are doing CPR, or the commerical service has no units available. There really isn't a reason to be paging volunteers to nursing homes and urgent cares.
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Why use an i-Pad and not something like a mini-toughbook that would actually stand up to emergency services use?
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Truck 1 is the tiller. Is the tower still OOS
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And yet another incident yesterday, where one of the suspects in a pursuit originating from Yonkers:Seriously? At what point and what do you have to do to have your license revoked?
And i thought 21 on 20 dates was bad !
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I don't know for sure, but maybe Yonkers FD is only sent on certain calls based on how EMD codes them
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What kind of training does the Sheriff's Office give?
I know you said that most fire police, including myself, would not arrest anyone except in extreme circumstances, but do you get legal updates to make sure you don't accidentally arrest someone or ruin a case for the sheriff or troopers?
For example, an obviously intoxicated driver is at the fire police road closure, do you have the authority to tell him to wait for the troopers/sheriff to show up? If so, what have you done, arrested him, made a traffic stop, a detention?
Or, you have an 11 year old kid who keeps riding his bike past the fire line and trying to touch the apparatus at a working fire; he has done this multiple times; do you have the ability to tell him he has to wait for a parent or the police to come pick him up?
Or, you go with the ambulance to a medical call, the police aren't there for whatever reason. As the patient is being walked to the ambulance(another issue), they say "I think I want to kill myself" and turns to go back into the house, do you have the ability to tell them now that they have to go with the medic crew? Is that considered an arrest?
These are just some examples of situations that I feel fire police may find themselves in that aren't all that extreme, yet may not have the training to do, and don't even involve "going hands on"
in Westchester County Area Emergency Services News
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This is a what a lot of people forget about consolidation and mergers. When you merge multiple smaller agencies you end up with a larger agency. If it is done wrong, you end up with a bloated, slow-moving bureaucracy. Think the kind of place where ordering a roll of toilet paper requires 3 forms and a safety training video