JBJ1202

Just rely on Mutual Aid like many other Depts.! After all aren't we there to help each other out? That's the "Brotherly" thing to do these days right? Jump on a rig and play in each others sandboxes no big deal!

The situation that Port Chester is dealing with will have no effect on their use of mutual aid. Your statement is true with most staffing issues, but I do see it for this one.

Right back pocket: Wallet

Left back pocket: Car keys

Left front pocket: A couple of crinkled up dollar bills

Right front pocket: iPhone

Radio strap and radio over right shoulder

My point here is that the equipment was kept in our bags.

Its also a sad commentary on our country if only roughly 1 in 4 people could pass that test..

http://www.nydailynews.com/scores-blacks-hispanics-soar-newly-revamped-fdny-test-article-1.1168399?post_id=100000600302076_444228925628277

Actually, it is quite the opposite. Over 95% of the individuals who took the test passed. The 9,417 people who scored a 97% or above are likely to be considered for hiring.

Bottom line... They wanted everyone to pass the test, and thats what they got. In the article it is already clear that the next step for certain organizations is to attack the "post-test" process, i.e. interview/investigation, psyc test, and the CPAT. After that it will be the FDNY Academy itself, followed by the entire profession of firefighting.

JBJ

But, in all seriousness, i'm pretty sure they have to go by whatever scheme the department establishes.

The statement CLM92982 gave is correct. Protocol is based on the type of agency you are. Agencies dispatched by 60 Control do not have the option to set re-dispatch protocols. If they did, you wouldn't hear so many on the air.

JBJ

I'm just looking for literature and/or feedback from individuals who are fimiliar with hydrant backflow preventers. Are fire depts exempt from using them in emergency and non-emergency situations? I'm looking at NYS Health Department and EPA sites for answers.

What situations would require a Fire Department to use a backflow preventer on a fire hydrant?

JBJ

John,

Does this mean you will be traveling south of I-287 when goes to Excelsior? You can borrow my GPS so you don't get lost...

Barry,

Will you attending the hotwash tonight?

JBJ

Foam is only allowed to be used on the property during true emergencies due to the close proximity to wetlands and Rye Lake.

JBJ

Do PSAPs fall under NFPA 1221?

Within hours of this thread:

Location: Westchester County Aiport - Main Terminal (Rye Brook)

Description Of Incident: Suspicious package

Frequency: 46.26 (Dispatch), Fire 15, Fire 19, Fire 16, EMS 15, EMS 16, 155.310 (WCPD), 46.06 (PCFD), 155.895 (HPD/EMS), 155.625 (PCPD/EMS), ATC

11 different frequencies to respond and standby for what became a non-major incident.

How many would be needed if we had a major emergency?

Barry,

Most of the frequencies you've listed are not part of our airport response. A single channel (A- OPS 5) is used by all fire and EMS units responding. County PD does operate on their own channel and are not in direct communication with units on OPS 5. An officer from WCPD will report to the command trailer as soon as one is available.

Fire 15, Fire 16, Fire 19, EMS 15, EMS 16, 46.06, 155.895, and 155.625 are used by the home agencies during their normal incident responses. I feel the standby today actually shows the opposite of what you are suggesting.

If this incident did escalate to an actual major emergency the number of channels utilized would expand based on need to the predetermined channels in the airport response plan.

JBJ

EMS Agency may be entitled to NY State Tuition Reimbursement upon successful

Great article just posted by my good friend...

Quad 8 Comes Home

Thanks CLM!

This is the rig that got me started. Rode this at 3 years old with Lou sr at the wheel me in the middle and my dad next to me, brand new. Just Like it was yesterday!

Ang, we are looking to bring her back for our 75th anniversary next year!

I am currently searching for the location of our 1957 Seagrave, designated Quad 8. The department sold it the late 90's, and all people can tell me is it was sold to a fire apparatus museum in south New Jersey. I thought I might turn to my Protection from the Past crew for any ideas on how to track her down.

Thank You

JBJ

Nice to see Engine 239 and Utility 65 (previously Rescue 30) next to each other again.

10 Days for FFI & FFII...................... Thats the same certifications that the career accademy takes 60 Days to get (yes they get a few more certs.....but lets be real here). I wonder are they leaving something out, or does anyone think the career accademy is 50 Days too long?

I believe he is saying the Firefighter I Daytime is a 10 day course. Firefighter II Daytime is a 3 day course. That would leave 47 days in the Career Academy for a few more certs...

JBJ

Had an opportunity to use them briefly while we were getting a demo of the high pressure tools. Really liked them, didn't feel like I was losing much force. Almost identical in size to the hydraulic models. Seems to hold a charge for more than a few cuts. Looking to add one next year, but theyre expensive.

Croton Command, let me know when Stateline comes for the demo... I'll break out the map and take a ride.

JBJ

I'd like to thank Loopy31 for posting an accurate account of what happened on Saturday. Sometimes people are so desperate for information that they take the first thing they see and run with it. Incredible how a person listening to transmissions on a scanner is cited before members who were at the scene. Not saying that people listening and posting were being malicious, just saying its easy to miss something or misinterpret transmissions.

JBJ

Armonk FD: Car 2021 (IC), Car 2022, Car 2023, Tanker 9, UTV

Chappaqua FD:

Greenwich FD:

Purchase FD: Car 2411, Car 2412, Rescue 30, Utility 10, Engine 238, Engine 240

Hawthorne FD:

Banksville FD: Stand-by in HQ

West Harrison FD: Stand-by in HQ

Port Chester FD: 2393, Tower Ladder 2, Engine 29, Engine 62, Engine 64

Valhalla FD: Car 2482, County Gators

Rye Brook FD: Engine 14 Armonk EMS: 51B3

Westchester EMS: 45-Medic-1

Port Chester-Rye Brook EMS: 77A2

Harrison EMS: 66A4

White Plains EMS:

Greenwich EMS:

WCDES: Car 1, Field Communication 1, EMS Battalion 10, EMS Battalion 11, Fire Battalion 11, Fire Battalion 19

Westchester County PD: Aviation 2, Airport Patrols, Road Patrols, K-9, Intel Sgt.

North Castle PD: ESU, Patrol, Lieutenant, Detectives DEP PD: Patrol, Detectives, Air 6

NYSP Troop K: Patrol Units

HPN OPS: Airport 7, 11 (ARFF Units)

Mount Pleasant PD: Patrol

While I understand that a large commercial airplane will require a major response. This was basicly a mini van that crashed off the road.

Barry,

This was dispatched as a level two response (medium size). The type of aircraft that was involved falls under the level 1 plan. Resources that were added included additional EMS and Banksvilles tanker. The rundown above is incorrect and does not reflect the time certain units were on scene. Having the airport response dispatched outside the property and the unknown location of the aircraft made the beginning a little frustrating.

The guys at work had informed me there were some questions about this incident Tuesday at Harmon Yards, so I figure I'll give a little insight.

17:44 - 60 Control dispatched Croton EMS, 36M1, R18 & E120 for a party hit by a train.

17:45 - 2082 & 2641 responding. 2082 asking if party is still under train, 60 advising he is, E119 added to the run.

17:48 - 2641 & 2082 on locaton, confirming one male under a locomotive car. Requesting power and train traffic shut down.

17:49 - 2082 assuming command, requesting Montrose R51 for additional air bags & euipment.

17:51 - 60 advising command that R51 not available, Command requested R16 from Yorktown.

17:52 - Command requesting availability of Medevac, 60 Control reports they are at WMC and available.

17:54 - Air 2 launching, 10 minute ETA. E119 ground contact, landing at Croton Point ballfield.

18:01 - Command reports all hands working, request E225 from Montrose VA on any additional Croton calls.

18:02 - Command reports one male patient, about 55 years old, Level 1 Trauma, extensive injuries, but conscious per 36M1.

18:06 - Command requesting 2nd Ambulance, 55B1 blocked in by FD units.

18:08 - Air 2 on the ground, E119 transporting crew to the scene.

18:14 - Command reports patient extricated from under train, being packaged and in care of EMS.

18:17 - Command placing incident under control.

18:27 - Yorktown units in service.

18:28 - E120 released from the scene, resume normal dispatch of CFD.

18:50 - 2082 reports all CFD units clear of the scene, command terminated and turned over to MTA PD.

As far as the Fire Brigade, they're mostly there for fire incidents (usually normal business hours) and will work with us, normally telling us what we can and can't do on the rails and with the trains. They're a great asset when it comes to that.

Extra training - I wouldn't call it "extra" training, but we routinely do training with the air bags like all of our other equipment, and we usually do an annual or biennial training with Metro-North.

Hope that answers some questions for you.

Welcome back sucka!!! What's the status on baby roundhead?

JBJ

Attended this training last year and hope to do the same this year.

JBJ:

Thanks for the info and a good topic. We put together a roof simulater a few years back but after using it allowed it to fall into disrepair probably since our area had a number of houses scheduled for teardown that we were able to work roof ops on. It was very well made but should have been made a little larger.

Question on the Multi Force simulator; there are a few forcible entry simulators out there now and I am wondering what made the Purchase FD go with the Multi Force. Just watched a video on it and it looks like a pretty good product. Did you do much comparison with other simulators?

Thanks

We felt that the Multi Force was a very durable and realistic simulator that could be used for different types of forces. We are able to force inward and outward on both sides of the simulator which some doors aren't capable of. You are able to control the resistance on the door based on the wood and chocks used. Also wood frame doors can be simulated with the "baseball swing" method as demonstrated in the video. It is portable and easy to assemble. We have used it at the Westchester FTC during a multi-department drill and were able to add a forcible entry evolution to the live burn, which worked out great. While not the cheapest option compared to other simulators or building a door simulator in-house, we felt it was a safe investment.

In recent years we haven't used our pitched roof as much. A neighboring departments training facility has a pitched roof simulator on top of the three story building. I would be interested in constructing a flat roof in the near future though.

JBJ

What kinds of training props are in your department? Forcible entry, pitched and flat roof cutting, mask confidence, through the lock, and wall breach are some of the first props that come to mind.

Whether homemade or manufactured, training props are a great way to keep your members sharp in skills that aren't performed in the field every day. Manufactured items seem to be hit or miss. You need to do your research on a product before spending potentially thousands of dollars on it. Homemade props are a great way for fire fighters to be involved from the beginning. They are also pretty inexpensive to put together most of the time and can last a while. Also having these props in and around your firehouse makes the training frequently available and easy to schedule and execute.

My department purchased the Multi-Force door from Firehouse Innovations Corp last summer and have had been very pleased with it. We also made our own pitched roof simulator about four years ago. It was a first generation for us and the next roof should be made this spring/summer.

Thoughts?

JBJ

I listened to this come over on the Bronx North frequency. After they transmitted the 10-32 (ground transport incident) it was switched to Citywide. While monitoring for almost a hour it was clear that a major challenge for Westchester County EMS agencies at a similar incident would be EMS command. The initial response had the Division Captain and a lieutenant on it, with two additional lieutenants special called immediately upon arrival. The EMS command structure at MCIs is pretty set with it's designations (medical branch, treatment, transport, staging.. Etc) You just dont have that in most if not all other places in the area. How many EMS Supervisors are working at 6 am on a Saturday in Westchester? Until those officers can get on the scene you'd have to utilize on scene EMTs and Paramedics for those those positions, on top of patient care. FD would most likely assist with filling in the blanks until EMS could handle. Tremendous tasks at hands for all PD, EMS, and FD agencies.

Ive looked at this incident from the fire and EMS side and have discussed the potential for this to happen in my district specifically.

The fire response to this would include regular mutual aid departments for manpower and equipment, but multiple special units would be needed as well to performed the tasks stated above. Knowing who and what is available to you is key.

EMS would need a major mobilization to fulfill the needs for the incident. Maybe that means five ALS ambulances initially in my case, with additional BLS and ALS coming from secondary agencies. As stated above I feel the command side of EMS would be slow to develop simply because the resources just aren't available.

Just some thoughts...

JBJ