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Here's Cliffside Park's 2012 E340 Bruan Unit ID CPA1 One of 3 Braun's in thier fleet Cliffside Park EMS is staffed by full time EMT's they  sometimes run 2 crews to staff 2 buses  

Caught  Unit 5159 down at work last week sporting a new look I believe it’s a wheeled coach  It was donated  by a long time donor  Joseph Sanzari a local construction  Icon  in New Jersey 

Fort Lee Nj 2018 Ford Explorer  Chiefs Suv assigned to deputy chief  unit Id FL8

Dual membership is happening in some departments in Bergen County also with members that work for borough such as Dpw Some departments have the 10 mile radius rule too

A few more pictures  Englewood Cliffs Engine 1 Flowing water from  the back parking lot  And Ridgefield Engine/Ladder 1 Ladder pipe up front Also Cliffside Park Engine 5 feeding a ladder pipe unsure witch one



 

All 4 companies of the Fort Lee Fire Dept were dispatched for Reported Heavy Smoke condition though out a large 5 story building located at 3011 Edwin Ave  Alittle after 4pm on 2/14/19 First Unit  on scene FL Squad 6 (onduty company)Reported heavy smoke from the front of  building Numerous Mutual Aid was called to the scene as well as to cover fort lee during the fire 3 Ladder pipes & 2 Tower Ladders & Numerous Hand Lines were set up and flowed master streams fire originated in the basement of the building and traveled the voids and elevator shaft  and went though the roof Trench cut failed but a brick fire wall kept it from spreading to the other wing Here are just a few pictures I took at the scene

I guess the LOSAP thing makes sense. In Michigan we don't have many agencies with retirement for on call/volunteer members so that's less of an issue here. 

F550 4x4, 300 gal tank, 500gpm pump

I think you are more likely to get volunteers for a specialized team, at least in the initial recruitment stages. When it has the new shiny team feel. Then when the refresher training requirements come to light and the lack of call volume comes up membership either dwindles away of just gets apathetic. 
 
I have seen a local dive team and a local hazmat team both go away, thankfully to be replaced by other agencies. However it happens. 

I've never heard of it called mutual aid membership, but times do change. I had to read the question twice. What I have always heard it referred to is dual membership status. It was very lax when it started back in the day, but I suppose with legal ramifications so prevalent that policies and procedures need to be in place. I'll be interested to see some of the responses. 

Fort Lee Nj 2018 Ford Explorer  Chiefs Suv assigned to deputy chief  unit Id FL8

I agree, NO

Had a light hearted debate the other day and figured I would spread it over here. I know we will likely not reach a consensus at all. Then again this is a largely meaningless topic for debate. 
 
On a standard job shirt with the embroidered logo on the chest, do you add patches to the sleeve or not? I went with no, but some others were telling me they do. 

Concepts like this often don't gain the traction they should or could. This is because you can assemble the best personnel & equipment, get the best training, and tell people you are out there as a resource. However you can't make departments call you even if they get one of the relatively rare calls you planned for.

 
 
Do they carry any extra like equipment like tools or are they just manpower units??

Sorry for the absence, but I finally decided to check back in on EMTB after too long....
 
Up here in Western NY a squad is generally a pickup chassis with some sort of utility body on it (think brush truck without a pump or hose, or a utility for those of you in Westchester).  Usually, these trucks are equipped with EMS, pump-out, and salvage equipment.  Most departments throw in a couple of SCBA and extra brush fire gear.  Some departments will throw on eDraulics or spare hydraulic tools.  And almost every department just throws a bunch of random crap on them when they can't find another or useful spot for it.  These "squads" come to be extremely useful for the mass of EMS runs and the BS calls that we don't want to burn an engine or ladder for.  They're also useful for when you need a few extra people on scene or need to get yourself a distance from the paved road.

Excellent concept plus Riding Heavy (more then 4 people)is good too

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I would agree that the word squad may designate anything, anywhere. I would say that the word is the most commonly used word in the fire service with multiple, multiple definitions. 

I think the most common is the enhanced engine, but I have seen everything from SUV's to Heavy Rescues called Squads. In dispatch we use the term squad for the group of people who work together the way some fire departments use platoon or group.
 
One nearby department has a heavy rescue and has small extrication tools on their two engines. We just purchased a large amount of extrication equipment but only have a small amount of cribbing and air bags. We also don't carry struts or jacks. As we have no rescue, we are putting all of this on the second due engine. Some members wanted to call it a squad, but I argued that meant that those riding it had to be better at extrication than those riding the other engine. 
 
I am not sure that outside of a given department or region there is a traditional answer. Even FDNY started out differently than they currently operate. Even the squad numbers are all over the place. Squad 1 & Squad 8 replaced engines but got new numbers, the others retained the numbers of the engines they replaced. 
 
In NJ where my friend is chief, because the term squad also referred to his agency, they used to use Squad 1-5 as the officer ID's. So he would sign on as Squad 2 from home or in his POV, while going to get the squad (ambulance). They have since changed to a car number system as they share a channel with other agencies (some of them squads) and didn't want to have conflicting numbers. 

 
Haven't listened to their dispatch in quite awhile but they usually had assigned a squad as Ric company on a reported fire.

As an add on to "bad box" comment. Last month FDNY put another squad into service. It's Squad 8 on Staten Island. It's in the quarters of E154. E154 was disbanded when Squad 8 went into service. FDNY now has a total of 8 squads. As eluded to in most of these responses, FDNY squads are enhanced engine companies. They run with an engine and carry a full-assortment of extrication and rescue equipment. Each squad has a 2nd Piece called a Haz-Mat Tech unit. Whenever there is Haz-Mat call anywhere in the city, a squad (with their second piece), Haz-Mat Company 1, and the Haz-Mat Battalion are assigned. Manning on the FDNY squads is 6 (1 officer & 5 firefighters).

In the early 1940's, FDNY had a couple of Squad companies. They were manpower units only. They reported to incidents and were utilized for whatever was needed. In the 1950's through the late 1960's FDNY Squad Companies were equipped with step vans. They carried basic truck company tools and were again utilized for whatever functions were needed. In the late 1960's, The squads were assigned pumpers and responded as engine companies. Eventually the Squads were disbanded. In 1977, Squad Company 1 was reestablished in the former quarters of Engine 269 which had been disbanded. They were assigned a pumper and also carried Truck Company Tools. They were used for whatever the Chief needed when they arrived at a fire scene. In 1990, Squad 41 was established in the former quarters of Engine 41 in the Bronx. They were assigned a pumper and they along with Squad 1 were part of Special Operations Command. in addition to engine company equipment, they carried truck company tools as well as Hurst Tools, Air Bags and some other rescue related gear. In the late 1990's Engine 18, 61, 252, 270 and 288 became Squad Companies and all squad personnel were trained to the Haz Mat and Rescue Technician level. All Squads were then assigned a second rig (step van) designated as Haz Mat Support Units.

Englewood Cliffs EC-2 is a Rescue Pumper It’s ID is a Engine  It has all the equipment for auto accidents  plus Venting & chain saws I am surprised They never wanted it identified as a Squad There’s quite a few towns in Bergen County that run Squad’s as well Dumont Squad 1 Oradell Squad 22 & Fort Lee Squad 6  are some of the Units That I. Know of 

A traditional fire service squad is a rescue pumper. 
 
Typically, a fully functional engine company with a tank, pump and full compliment of supply and attack line. In addition, a squad will be equipped with rescue tools, struts, cribbing, ropes/hardware, etc.
 
Essentially it's an engine that can be detailed as a 2nd rescue if needed.