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You got that right. Now I'm hungry.

If I had good information to help dispel myth, yes. We really need to remember that we're not dealing with a Fire Department here. We don't really know what we're dealing with. All we know is that there is some guy named Romero who's 28 and calls himself "chief" and says he has 60 active qualified members. There's no firehouse, only an office with a phone number that no one answers. There are a few pieces of apparatus, but no equipment. These are guys who show up at emergency scenes and operate, but don't belong. If you check, I'm sure you won't find that this happens with Edgewater, ect. They have an organization with a command structure of some sort, ect. Aviation does not exist, they had trouble years ago and went out of service permanently. This is a few people who've resurrected a name only.

The 1980 XFDNY Amercain Lafrance From the closed down Aviation [2009?] was giving to the Catskill Fire Cats. We have it in the warehouse and show it at events. it was reparied after the 9/11 event and was left outside after that. the 2001[new] Luverne that was donaited by a wall street company was sold to Beech Island South Carolina for profit and the E-ONE[used] that was donated to Aviation by Franconia VFD in Va was also sold for profit to Brindlee Fire Appartus witch sold it to Banid IL Fire Dept. All of this was post 9/11 and they took advantage of a lot of good people and companys that wanted to help New York City and there people. What a disgrace !

The 1980 XFDNY Amercain Lafrance From the closed down Aviation [2009?] was giving to the Catskill Fire Cats. We have it in the warehouse and show it at events. it was reparied after the 9/11 event and was left outside after that. the 2001[new] Luverne that was donaited by a wall street company was sold to Beech Island South Carolina for profit and the E-ONE[used] that was donated to Aviation by Franconia VFD in Va was also sold for profit to Brindlee Fire Appartus witch sold it to Banid IL Fire Dept. All of this was post 9/11 and they took advantage of a lot of good people and companys that wanted to help New York City and there people. What a disgrace !

To clarify in return; I completely agree with your post as well. I was in no way looking to belittle FF1 or FF2 ect. I took them and a great deal more of the State Curriculum. Well designed and much comprehensive than Essentials was. I used FF1 as an example because all I've read with regard to Aviation's training is, "I've seen them in FF1 before". That's a spot on beginning to fire training, but I wouldn't call a department full of FF1 certificate holders adequate. Really though, from the sound of things, that group would probably have a difficult time showing even that amount of training. I've seen these guys at incidents closing streets and directing traffic near me and I'm no where near the Clason Point area. Any time a guy from this job goes to confront them, they hop in their SUV and drive off. I haven't worked in Soundview or Castle Hill recently, but I'm sure I will and I'll have to inquire about them with the units that are 1st due in that area.

Like I said..same page brother. Couldn't agree with you more.

The 1980 XFDNY Amercain Lafrance From the closed down Aviation [2009?] was giving to the Catskill Fire Cats. We have it in the warehouse and show it at events. it was reparied after the 9/11 event and was left outside after that. the 2001[new] Luverne that was donaited by a wall street company was sold to Beech Island South Carolina for profit and the E-ONE[used] that was donated to Aviation by Franconia VFD in Va was also sold for profit to Brindlee Fire Appartus witch sold it to Banid IL Fire Dept. All of this was post 9/11 and they took advantage of a lot of good people and companys that wanted to help New York City and there people. What a disgrace !

The 1980 XFDNY Amercain Lafrance From the closed down Aviation [2009?] was giving to the Catskill Fire Cats. We have it in the warehouse and show it at events. it was reparied after the 9/11 event and was left outside after that. the 2001[new] Luverne that was donaited by a wall street company was sold to Beech Island South Carolina for profit and the E-ONE[used] that was donated to Aviation by Franconia VFD in Va was also sold for profit to Brindlee Fire Appartus witch sold it to Banid IL Fire Dept. All of this was post 9/11 and they took advantage of a lot of good people and companys that wanted to help New York City and there people. What a disgrace !

The 1980 XFDNY Amercain Lafrance From the closed down Aviation [2009?] was giving to the Catskill Fire Cats. We have it in the warehouse and show it at events. it was reparied after the 9/11 event and was left outside after that. the 2001[new] Luverne that was donaited by a wall street company was sold to Beech Island South Carolina for profit and the E-ONE[used] that was donated to Aviation by Franconia VFD in Va was also sold for profit to Brindlee Fire Appartus witch sold it to Banid IL Fire Dept. All of this was post 9/11 and they took advantage of a lot of good people and companys that wanted to help New York City and there people. What a disgrace !

40 years ago today New York City Police Officers Rocco Laurie and Gregory Foster were walking a foot post at Avenue B and E. 11th street in Manhattan. Without warning, 4 cowardly members of the BLA ambushed them from behind and shot both officers multiple times in the back. After these officers fell, these animals stood over the officers and continued to shoot. These officers were both marines who had served in Vietnam and wanted to continue their service as NYPD officers. Today we honor these brave officers for their service and sacrafice. These Officers may be gone but they will never be forgotten. Rest In Peace My Brothers.
NEVER FORGET, NEVER FORGIVE

Perhaps. It would again depend on the circumstances and conduct of the parties involved.
Depending on how the vehicles are (or are not) registered, there could be VTL charges for the operators and perhaps the owners. Like I said before, there are many potential issues associated with this situation.
Recognized by who? FASNY is a fraternal organization, isn't it? They don't regulate anything. The "chief" asserts that he will only respond to a directive from OFPC or the mayor but OFPC doesn't regulate departments, the municipality does. The Fire Commissioner, an agent of the mayor, directed them to cease and desist so I would think that he has the backing of the mayor's office but that's just me. I think their standing will come into question now if they were "disbanded" and reformed. The legal case in 1995 was based largely on an implied contract. I think the city's order to stop responding to their calls will eliminate that contract and they'll be on their own if someone else gets hurt/killed. Not a desirable position to be in.
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How in the world could a Fire truck, Fire engine comply in the state of New York. For the purpose of Firefighting owned by a municipality it carrys a offical plate from the state of New York. Fire trucks or engines when bought new by a city ,town, village, Fire distrct get a certificate of orgin not a title. 99% of fire trucks or engines don't even have a state plate on it . I have been buying and selling and donating fire trucks in this state for many years! The state of New York motor vehicle dept does not recognize a fire truck as a motor vehicle when owned by a municipality. Now if they [aviation] have it registered as a commercal vehicle then that comes under a whole new set of guide lines ! Who has a CDL, Haz mat[tank water], air brakes, and so on ! helicopper what do you think about this ?

So from what I gather, it would be fine with you if these 'Aviation' guys leave NYC and start operating in your VFD's district instead?

Because Warden is a word older than you!!!
I had too! Sorry Ang!!! Hahahaha!
The only time I have heard the term Fire Warden used was pre-organized fire protection, basically they were the fire marshals during the colonial era enforcing fire protection rules and for forest fire coordination.

We live for another two weeks and I didn't say that before! We own Green Bay, we own San Fransico and now we are going to own New England! GO BIG BLUE!

We live for another week! did'nt I say that last week ! GO BIG BLUE

In my 40 years here never heard the word Warden !

We live for another two weeks and I didn't say that before! We own Green Bay, we own San Fransico and now we are going to own New England! GO BIG BLUE!

New Rochelle FD apparatus and Greenville Engine 150 in this Fire Safety video for Kids.

"Get"da"off"fa"da"boat"!, "You som ma b****"

"Get"da"off"fa"da"boat"!, "You som ma b****"

We live for another week! did'nt I say that last week ! GO BIG BLUE

The little atom came home crying "Mommy I lost my electron."
"Are you sure?" Said the Mother>
"Yes,I'm Positive."

The Stellamare. That was one hell of a boat accident!

Not sure and I can't find it online. Im sure EMTBravo member billwiegelman can help answer some of your questions, since he's the captain of Playland EMS.