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I have a different spin on this incident.  Lets forget who called who   and I am asking this of anyone at the scene,  what did you do?  Was it readily obvious that it was refrigerant that was leaking,  or had already leaked (puddle on the floor),  was the area metered by a 3 or 4 gas meter prior to hfd arrival?  and what were the results of that.  (decreased o2 levels), was the erg book used asap?  what did the HFD meters tell you when they were used?  And what did you do to mitigate the incident?  Lets learn from a haz-mat call   thanks. 

, Date: 1-31-16
Time: 1205hrs
Location: 203 Mamaroneck Ave C/S Maple Ave
District: White Plains FD
Battalion: 19
Channel: White Plains FD
Weather: 29F, snow
Units:        White Plains FD   Engine 65, Engine 66, Engine 67, Engine 70,  Engine 71, Ladder 32, Tower Ladder 6, Rescue 88, Car 2512 (IC), Car 2513, Car 2514
                 Fairview FD          Engine 175 (Relocate White Plains Station 2), Car 2121
                 Hartsdale FD        Tower Ladder 15 (Relocate White Plains HQ, redirected to the scene), Car 2171
                 Empress EMS       A-1, A-2, Supervisor
                 White Plains PD   Car 9, Car 11, Car 9, ESU Truck 1
                 WCDES                County Car 4
Writer:  x635

Description: Working Fire in a 4 story occupied multiple dwelling (located directly behind a taxpayer) with rear located adjacent to municipal parking lot
 
12:04  Car 2513 reporting smoke showing from the area prior to dispatch, investigating. Dispatch advising receiving multiple calls
 
12:08 Car 2512 on scene smoke showing, working fire on the 4th story of 4 story OMD. Car 2512 requesting 2 additional engines, an additional truck, Rescue 88 be added to the assignment and mutual aid relocate 1 Engine and 1 truck.
 
12:09 Car 2512 requesting Ladder 32 position and set ladder up to the rear of the building, Tower Ladder 6 to take the front of the building and set up. Chief Nichols will have command of the front of the building
 
12:11 Engine 67 has the hydrant at Maple and Waller.
 
12:12 Car 2512 requesting Engine 70 take the attack from the rear of the building
 
12:15 Car 2514 advising he will be covering all other calls within the city
 
12:17 Car 2512 requesting additional Engine (71) and Truck to the scene. Car 2514 stating Ladder 34 is not in service, need firefighters to put it into service. Tower Ladder 15 currently on a relocate at HQ to respond and set up in front of the building.
 
12:18 Car 2512 reporting initial knockdown, 1 line working in the attic area of a 60x100 4 story brick multiple occupancy,  still have fire and smoke showing from the rear, exposure #3one company working on the roof, one Ladder set up in the front and one in the rear, second line being placed into service, independent hydrant secured
 
14:30 Fairview Engine 175 released from standby, Hartsdale Tower Ladder 15 in service from the scene and returning
 
Notes: Ladder 34 out of service due to lack of manpower

 

 
 
Firstdue...while I understand where you're coming from, you must think rationally. 
Why call Fairview (or any other career dept)? Because you know exactly what you're getting. No matter what you request (Eng, truck, rescue), you'll get it with a full compliment of QUALIFIED FF's.
Call a volunteer Dept (especially on a weekday), you may get "uncle Joe" the 70 year old chauffeur with an 18 year old "officer" and god knows who else on the back step. 
There may be 1 or 2 vol FDs "closer," but a career dept may get there much faster even if they are "farther" away.
Look, I'm a volly and know where your thought process is. But you have to think logically and choose M/A wisely.
We have Newburgh on our run cards because we know exactly what we're getting when we call them. That is a very reassuring feeling. 
 
Stay safe 
 

Date: 01/31/17
Time: 0620hrs (approx)
Location: 3199 Albany Post Rd - Westchester Industrial Complex
District: Buchanan 
Battalion: 10
Channel: 
Weather: Clear/cold
Units: Buchanan, Montrose (TL8), Verplanck (E128), Montrose VAFD (FAST), Croton, Batt-17, others
Writer:  BFD1054
Description: Working Fire in a large industrial complex 
0645hrs-Car 2552 advising they've located the seat of the fire, working on extinguishment, holding all units. Requesting the rehab unit from Peekskill EMS.
 
0655hrs-Car 2552 advising fire knocked down, extensive overhaul, holding all units. 
 
0704hrs-C&O Zone-4 paged out for the response.
 
0714hrs-Battalion-17 advising situation under control, Command releasing Montrose VA FAST.
 
0743hrs-Command releasing the Verplanck Engine and Montrose Truck.
 
0746hrs-Peekskill EMS 7513 and 7506 (Rehab) in service.
 
*I literally drove past this coming into work, so I have limited info.

Date: 01/31/17
Time: 0620hrs (approx)
Location: 3199 Albany Post Rd - Westchester Industrial Complex
District: Buchanan 
Battalion: 10
Channel: 
Weather: Clear/cold
Units: Buchanan, Montrose (TL8), Verplanck (E128), Montrose VAFD (FAST), Croton, Batt-17, others
Writer:  BFD1054
Description: Working Fire in a large industrial complex 
0645hrs-Car 2552 advising they've located the seat of the fire, working on extinguishment, holding all units. Requesting the rehab unit from Peekskill EMS.
 
0655hrs-Car 2552 advising fire knocked down, extensive overhaul, holding all units. 
 
0704hrs-C&O Zone-4 paged out for the response.
 
0714hrs-Battalion-17 advising situation under control, Command releasing Montrose VA FAST.
 
0743hrs-Command releasing the Verplanck Engine and Montrose Truck.
 
0746hrs-Peekskill EMS 7513 and 7506 (Rehab) in service.
 
*I literally drove past this coming into work, so I have limited info.

Date: 01/31/17
Time: 0620hrs (approx)
Location: 3199 Albany Post Rd - Westchester Industrial Complex
District: Buchanan 
Battalion: 10
Channel: 
Weather: Clear/cold
Units: Buchanan, Montrose (TL8), Verplanck (E128), Montrose VAFD (FAST), Croton, Batt-17, others
Writer:  BFD1054
Description: Working Fire in a large industrial complex 
0645hrs-Car 2552 advising they've located the seat of the fire, working on extinguishment, holding all units. Requesting the rehab unit from Peekskill EMS.
 
0655hrs-Car 2552 advising fire knocked down, extensive overhaul, holding all units. 
 
0704hrs-C&O Zone-4 paged out for the response.
 
0714hrs-Battalion-17 advising situation under control, Command releasing Montrose VA FAST.
 
0743hrs-Command releasing the Verplanck Engine and Montrose Truck.
 
0746hrs-Peekskill EMS 7513 and 7506 (Rehab) in service.
 
*I literally drove past this coming into work, so I have limited info.

 
 
Firstdue...while I understand where you're coming from, you must think rationally. 
Why call Fairview (or any other career dept)? Because you know exactly what you're getting. No matter what you request (Eng, truck, rescue), you'll get it with a full compliment of QUALIFIED FF's.
Call a volunteer Dept (especially on a weekday), you may get "uncle Joe" the 70 year old chauffeur with an 18 year old "officer" and god knows who else on the back step. 
There may be 1 or 2 vol FDs "closer," but a career dept may get there much faster even if they are "farther" away.
Look, I'm a volly and know where your thought process is. But you have to think logically and choose M/A wisely.
We have Newburgh on our run cards because we know exactly what we're getting when we call them. That is a very reassuring feeling. 
 
Stay safe 
 

 
 
Firstdue...while I understand where you're coming from, you must think rationally. 
Why call Fairview (or any other career dept)? Because you know exactly what you're getting. No matter what you request (Eng, truck, rescue), you'll get it with a full compliment of QUALIFIED FF's.
Call a volunteer Dept (especially on a weekday), you may get "uncle Joe" the 70 year old chauffeur with an 18 year old "officer" and god knows who else on the back step. 
There may be 1 or 2 vol FDs "closer," but a career dept may get there much faster even if they are "farther" away.
Look, I'm a volly and know where your thought process is. But you have to think logically and choose M/A wisely.
We have Newburgh on our run cards because we know exactly what we're getting when we call them. That is a very reassuring feeling. 
 
Stay safe 
 

 
 
Firstdue...while I understand where you're coming from, you must think rationally. 
Why call Fairview (or any other career dept)? Because you know exactly what you're getting. No matter what you request (Eng, truck, rescue), you'll get it with a full compliment of QUALIFIED FF's.
Call a volunteer Dept (especially on a weekday), you may get "uncle Joe" the 70 year old chauffeur with an 18 year old "officer" and god knows who else on the back step. 
There may be 1 or 2 vol FDs "closer," but a career dept may get there much faster even if they are "farther" away.
Look, I'm a volly and know where your thought process is. But you have to think logically and choose M/A wisely.
We have Newburgh on our run cards because we know exactly what we're getting when we call them. That is a very reassuring feeling. 
 
Stay safe 
 

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We all have to stop acting like 5th graders and act like adults who know better , To not call an agency because they don't call you is stupid, foolish, and deadly. Sooner or later you will be called out and be held responsible for by passing agencies.  Boooohoooo they didn't call me. So I am not calling them waaawaaawaaa. Total stupidity 

 
 
Firstdue...while I understand where you're coming from, you must think rationally. 
Why call Fairview (or any other career dept)? Because you know exactly what you're getting. No matter what you request (Eng, truck, rescue), you'll get it with a full compliment of QUALIFIED FF's.
Call a volunteer Dept (especially on a weekday), you may get "uncle Joe" the 70 year old chauffeur with an 18 year old "officer" and god knows who else on the back step. 
There may be 1 or 2 vol FDs "closer," but a career dept may get there much faster even if they are "farther" away.
Look, I'm a volly and know where your thought process is. But you have to think logically and choose M/A wisely.
We have Newburgh on our run cards because we know exactly what we're getting when we call them. That is a very reassuring feeling. 
 
Stay safe 
 

 
 
Firstdue...while I understand where you're coming from, you must think rationally. 
Why call Fairview (or any other career dept)? Because you know exactly what you're getting. No matter what you request (Eng, truck, rescue), you'll get it with a full compliment of QUALIFIED FF's.
Call a volunteer Dept (especially on a weekday), you may get "uncle Joe" the 70 year old chauffeur with an 18 year old "officer" and god knows who else on the back step. 
There may be 1 or 2 vol FDs "closer," but a career dept may get there much faster even if they are "farther" away.
Look, I'm a volly and know where your thought process is. But you have to think logically and choose M/A wisely.
We have Newburgh on our run cards because we know exactly what we're getting when we call them. That is a very reassuring feeling. 
 
Stay safe 
 

 
 
Firstdue...while I understand where you're coming from, you must think rationally. 
Why call Fairview (or any other career dept)? Because you know exactly what you're getting. No matter what you request (Eng, truck, rescue), you'll get it with a full compliment of QUALIFIED FF's.
Call a volunteer Dept (especially on a weekday), you may get "uncle Joe" the 70 year old chauffeur with an 18 year old "officer" and god knows who else on the back step. 
There may be 1 or 2 vol FDs "closer," but a career dept may get there much faster even if they are "farther" away.
Look, I'm a volly and know where your thought process is. But you have to think logically and choose M/A wisely.
We have Newburgh on our run cards because we know exactly what we're getting when we call them. That is a very reassuring feeling. 
 
Stay safe 
 

 
 
Firstdue...while I understand where you're coming from, you must think rationally. 
Why call Fairview (or any other career dept)? Because you know exactly what you're getting. No matter what you request (Eng, truck, rescue), you'll get it with a full compliment of QUALIFIED FF's.
Call a volunteer Dept (especially on a weekday), you may get "uncle Joe" the 70 year old chauffeur with an 18 year old "officer" and god knows who else on the back step. 
There may be 1 or 2 vol FDs "closer," but a career dept may get there much faster even if they are "farther" away.
Look, I'm a volly and know where your thought process is. But you have to think logically and choose M/A wisely.
We have Newburgh on our run cards because we know exactly what we're getting when we call them. That is a very reassuring feeling. 
 
Stay safe 
 

If I am correct the year is 2017, not the 1960's when "brownouts" were so common in the FDNY! It's time the politicians in White Plains showed more interest in public safety that "vote getting" for their individual campaigns. I believe that Local 274 should start marching at City Hall and at the home of the Mayor, Tom Roach. He claims to care about public protection but certainly doesn't show it by putting the ladder oos so often. One civilian death due to a fire will cost the City 100 times more than it would ever cost to staff that ladder. I am fortunate to work in a City where we operate 9 engines, 3 ladders, 1 heavy rescue and a Deputy Chief with an aide,  and our contract mandates ALL APPARATUS be staffed with a minimum of 4 firefighters each. It's inherently un-safe for your members to be operating at such reduced staffing levels. Fight for what you want and most of all need!

WPFD right now has 134 firefighters on the line compared to 169 about 10 years ago. The rescue at headquarters is in service 24/7/365, and is one of only two fully staffed rescue companies in Westchester County, the other being Yonkers. Right now we run bare bones across the board, 3 men on each rig (engines, ladders & the rescue) with a fourth man going to the ladders or rescue depending on availability. That means if Ladder 34 is open and one man calls in sick, has a personal day or comp day/vacation, then the rig is shut down and the 2 remaining FF's (or LT) are sent to be the fourth man on either L-32, TL-6, or R-88 at the DC's discretion.  During the summer months especially, L-34 is shut down entirely and we ride 3 across the board, filling vacancies with OT. The city will not fill vacancies on 34 with OT, they brown it out, leaving the entire south side of the city without a ladder. The next nearest ladder is 32 and if that is tied up at an alarm, it's TL-6 which is about 10-12 minutes from L-34's first due area. If they were to shut down the rescue and man L-34, you'd just be shuffling responsibility mainly on L-32's shoulders which would pick up about 1,300 alarms per year on top of the 1,500 it already takes. 

First, your question could be raised RIGHT NOW about the 2nd alarm in Valhalla.  They skipped over a staffed tower ladder in White Plains and Fairview to call a tower ladder in West Harrison.
 
If you have such an issue that the county team that takes over 40 mins to get out and on location ... And we all know that 2001 responds by himself to check and verify (regardless of what the IC states or requests [EDIT: This JUST happened at the Valhalla fire...]) and then an unknown response of unknown number and unknown trained personnel respond... Wasn't utilized, call the Assistant Chief of the department and ask him himself.
 
Better yet, because you know exactly who he is, why not ask him face to face of why he made that call, rather than anonymously and blindly question every facet of his decision made yesterday. Figure out exactly why he did, then come back and with facts, explain it to us.

Because they'd be ridiculed by people on this site for not calling a closer department that has the capabilities. 

@Anesti do you have any interior or compartment shots of this rig? Just wondering what they changed around after buying it.  
 
This rig originally served as Rescue 6 in Park Ridge, NJ before being bought by Walden, NY in 1997 as their first rescue. 

Ex Walden,NY
1987 Chevrolet/Swab

should have been done ages ago

 
By all accounts, KME could be an excellent company. They have plenty of talented workers, who have the ability to produce a product that could rival any of the other more reputable manufacturers.
 
KME has suffered from years of mismanagement by a ruling family that had failed to invest in their people or infrastructure. Many of their senior managers were relatives or buddies and did not possess the ability to follow the industry trends. 
 
The REV group may have temporarily saved the company from financial ruin and has removed many of the management problems, but the company has a big hill to climb in being retrained and retooled to compete with the likes of other products. 
 
Without knowing the specifics, the Horry County story is probably the results of the old mentality toward the product. The new owner has big plans and made big promises. Only time will tell if they can deliver on those promises.
 
I for one, would be very reluctant to recommend their product until the product and culture improves.
 
 
 
 

Date: 01/19/17
Time: 0830hrs
Location: Route 747 & Little Britain Rd.
District: Vails Gate/Town of New Windsor 
Battalion: 4
Channel:
Weather:
Units: VGFD, New Windsor EMS/ALS, New Windsor PD, NYSP, OC Haz-Mat Team, Quality Towing/Recovery 
Writer: BFD1054
Description: Tractor-Trailer vs SUV w/(1) pinned 
OC Haz Mat Team requested for ruptured diesel saddle tank.
 
Link to TWC News:
 
http://www.twcnews.com/nys/hudson-valley/news/2017/01/19/new-windsor-head-on-crash-route-747.html
 
 
Link to 1stResponder News:
 
http://www.1strespondernews.com/webpages/news/displaynews.aspx?ID=26640191-4139-4530-b57d-7b0347390d50
 

This picture shows the Snorkel, along with the rest of the in service ( at the time) American LaFrances.