velcroMedic1987

They still need to get a CON to operate. Transcares may get auctioned to the highest bidder.

 
That didn't last long though.  Wasn't it Affiliated in 86/87 when the FD stopped doing the BLS?
 

When MV went ALS in 84/85'? Amb #1 was Abbey with ALS and Amb #2 was Mvfd with BLS

 
When did they buy you hot sticks?  I thought they didn't want us messing with them and actually recalled them all?
 

 
 
They go on calls as supervisors, serve as liaison to other agencies and deal with hospital back-logs when EMS units are stacked up waiting for ER stretchers.  They manage schedules, equipment, training, time off, and perform other duties.

To minimize the importance of that in a city like NY is unfair.

I can see why this is an issue for NYC, and I can sort of see how the individual may not be dealing with the first department completely ethically. However many people looking for a career take multiple tests. Very often you have no real idea when your are going to come up on someone's list. So a department calls you and offers you the job, you take it. Then a short time later another department offers you a better job and you take that. Outside of public safety we would just call that climbing the ladder of success. Here we call it poaching.

Many would argue that it doesn't work consistently in all areas.

How about the EMS PROFESSION to be respected rather than abused? It shouldn't matter whether you're collecting a paycheck or volunteering. The system is broken and there is nobody on a high level doing much of anything about it.
I HATE when people seek special consideration because they're volunteers. Either be an EMS PROFESSIONAL (paid or not) or rethink your choice of avocation.

How about the EMS PROFESSION to be respected rather than abused? It shouldn't matter whether you're collecting a paycheck or volunteering. The system is broken and there is nobody on a high level doing much of anything about it.
I HATE when people seek special consideration because they're volunteers. Either be an EMS PROFESSIONAL (paid or not) or rethink your choice of avocation.

Many would argue that it doesn't work consistently in all areas.

How about the EMS PROFESSION to be respected rather than abused? It shouldn't matter whether you're collecting a paycheck or volunteering. The system is broken and there is nobody on a high level doing much of anything about it.
I HATE when people seek special consideration because they're volunteers. Either be an EMS PROFESSIONAL (paid or not) or rethink your choice of avocation.

Many would argue that it doesn't work consistently in all areas.

Many would argue that it doesn't work consistently in all areas.

Date: 020516
Time: 0827
Location: IFO 40 Worth Street, NY
Units: 4th Alarm Equivalent plus 10-60 SOC response
NYPD Level 1 Mobilization plus division units, ESU, Crime Scene Unit, Traffic
Con Edison with Electric, Gas, Steam, Transmission Ops, Emergency response group, emergency management, PublicAffairs,
Environment Health and Safety
NYCEM
NYC Dept of Buildings
NYC DEP
US Coast Guard
Department of Labor
OSHA
NYC Medical Examiner

Description: Approximately 560 foot crawler crane toppled over in windy conditions crushing one car, killing the occupant. FD BC-1 reported all hands shortly after arrival and Division 1 transmitted the 10-60 and 3rd Alarm shortly after arriving. Rescue medics pronounced occupant in crushed vehicle and transported one red tag patient (possibly downgraded to orange). NYPD level 1 mobilization for crowd/traffic control. Multiple street closures in area.
Concussion caused rupture to gas main, oil filled 345,000 volt electric feeder, and water main. Gas main shut down and Con Ed working to control feeder leak but it is located under the crane. About 5000 gallons of oil released into manholes and other underground structures.
DEP shut down water main controlling the water leak.

US Coast Guard has contractors patrolling river to insure oil is not reaching the river.

NYC interagency meetings scheduled for tomorrow and mayor will hold another press conference at 1330.

Date: 020516
Time: 0827
Location: IFO 40 Worth Street, NY
Units: 4th Alarm Equivalent plus 10-60 SOC response
NYPD Level 1 Mobilization plus division units, ESU, Crime Scene Unit, Traffic
Con Edison with Electric, Gas, Steam, Transmission Ops, Emergency response group, emergency management, PublicAffairs,
Environment Health and Safety
NYCEM
NYC Dept of Buildings
NYC DEP
US Coast Guard
Department of Labor
OSHA
NYC Medical Examiner

Description: Approximately 560 foot crawler crane toppled over in windy conditions crushing one car, killing the occupant. FD BC-1 reported all hands shortly after arrival and Division 1 transmitted the 10-60 and 3rd Alarm shortly after arriving. Rescue medics pronounced occupant in crushed vehicle and transported one red tag patient (possibly downgraded to orange). NYPD level 1 mobilization for crowd/traffic control. Multiple street closures in area.
Concussion caused rupture to gas main, oil filled 345,000 volt electric feeder, and water main. Gas main shut down and Con Ed working to control feeder leak but it is located under the crane. About 5000 gallons of oil released into manholes and other underground structures.
DEP shut down water main controlling the water leak.

US Coast Guard has contractors patrolling river to insure oil is not reaching the river.

NYC interagency meetings scheduled for tomorrow and mayor will hold another press conference at 1330.

Once again, I get a similar picture painted. In the city I am referring to, it's total population is about 40,000 people. About 35 square miles with SIX, totally separately, independently run, fire departments. A total of seven firehouses. One career fire department consisting of two firehouses, with five volunteer firehouses within the city.
Apparatus by my count, because there's just so many here I may be off somewhat. But here is my own Unofficial count:
15 Pumpers
3 Ladder Trucks (confirmed)
3 Heavy Rescues (confirmed)
5 Mini Rescues (confirmed)
2 Tankers
2 Brush Units
Plus various other special units such as Hose Tender Unit, Water Rescue Unit, etc.
Find this hard to believe. You're not alone. So come on up and see for yourself. We are located about 120 miles east of NYC, off I-395. Make it a weekend trip and enjoy one of the two nearby Connecticut Casinos while you're here (Foxwoods or Mohegan Sun). Great food, shows and entertainment included.
I am talking of The Rose City, also known as Norwich, Ct. And when you stop by those firehouses, tell them "Willy D sent you". They all know me.
We may not be a Westchester County, NY, but we can all share similar stories. I think you'll find it an interesting place to visit.

I've been a volunteer and career firefighter too. I often work along side of volunteers. I agree that we should be more united and respectful than we are.
From my experience and perspective, the volunteers oftentimes are more of an obstacle in getting to that place than the career folks. I often hear claims about how we're all doing the same job, have the same training, etc., but the fact is we aren't and we don't. Unfortunately, when you try to discuss this, the only thing too many on the volunteer side seem to take from it is that career guys are great and volunteers suck rather than understanding that career guys can be "better" by virtue of those differences in training and experience, but that doesn't mean that the volunteers are automatically inadequate. It's a lot like comparing pro athletes to college/high school athletes. The pros are typically better, which one would expect, but a lot of the non-pro athletes are pretty darn good, if not just as good in some cases. And in some cases, their best just isn't good enough.
We hear claims about how fires don't care if you're career or volunteer or that the person who's house is on fire doesn't care if you're career or volunteer, but who yells the most about training mandates or being held to any sort of standard? Who thinks it's perfectly ok to give a person a few dozen hours of basic introductory training (or none at all) and then turn that new person loose to respond and actively participate on calls? Who thinks it's appropriate to make a teenager with little actual experience a line officer?
IMO, these are the things that are at the very heart of the animosity between career and volunteer from the career side. Too many in the volunteer ranks want to be viewed as equal to the career guys without putting in the work necessary to truly be equal. Yes, there are places where truly providing services on the same level are not realistic (rural areas for one) and they do the best they can under tough circumstances, but there are others where the departments are just not being honest with themselves or their communities regarding the level of service they can realistically provide as a department or as an individual.
It's also frustrating to see comments about how career guys only care about the paycheck and don't have the pride in the job because we don't work fundraisers to pay the bills or in some cases don't live in the community that we work in. While there are career guys that are like that, the majority aren't and you'll find people like that in any career and you know there are plenty of volunteers that are all about the t-shirts and image rather than the work and service to the community.
Like you said, career and volunteer share a lot in common.
Personally, I try to be respectful of the volunteers in my area, but it's very hard at times to view some of them as peers when they do some of the stuff that they do and that includes burning down buildings that should not have burned to the extent that they did.

That's certainly subject to debate.

At risk of unintentionally insulting volunteers, I might ask if the FASNY study took into account how much money would be saved in property/insurance losses if a paid staffed FD was there to effect more positive outcomes sooner? Not a knock on the potential quality of work that a VFD can accomplish, but a realistic view of how much different a fire looks at minute 4 vs. minute 12. Take the same firefighters put them in the station when the call comes in nearly every time, and see how that affects the outcomes.

So many unanswered questions about this tragedy. First and foremost my condolences to the family of the victim and the agency suffering through this loss.

Trying to learn from the incident may be valuable to others in the future so I have the following thoughts- and we probably don't have any answers relating to the Arkansas shooting but may be able to discuss it generally.

Where was the wife and why didn't she warn Adams that there was a gun in the room?
Why don't we wear uniforms to properly identify us? Being a volunteer is not an excuse and, as evidenced by this incident, it can have tragic results.

How can we prevent something like this from happening again in the future?



The person who shot Adams has been arrested and charged with manslaughter too.

Are you sure about that? I was told if they go off the residence list they are stuck with it to the end.

Best bet would be to call Peekskil HR yourself and find out for sure where you stand.

IT'S WINTER IN THE NORTHEAST!!!
IT'S GOING TO SNOW!!!
Everybody needs to get over it and stop buying all the toilet paper!!!

IT'S WINTER IN THE NORTHEAST!!!
IT'S GOING TO SNOW!!!
Everybody needs to get over it and stop buying all the toilet paper!!!

IT'S WINTER IN THE NORTHEAST!!!
IT'S GOING TO SNOW!!!
Everybody needs to get over it and stop buying all the toilet paper!!!