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always two sides to a story and in the case negotiation. As its been for some time now its the unions fault. Just look at whats going on around Westhester. Yonkers, white plains New Ro and CSEA with the county. For all you guys saying you would work for less to keep your jobs, Well how much less? $4.00 an hour? pay for your health care work 80 hours a week.What next. If you give in to one thing it may never stop. I dont know what the unions turned down or what the CEO was prosposing. You cant judge from a one minute clip from the today show.

always two sides to a story and in the case negotiation. As its been for some time now its the unions fault. Just look at whats going on around Westhester. Yonkers, white plains New Ro and CSEA with the county. For all you guys saying you would work for less to keep your jobs, Well how much less? $4.00 an hour? pay for your health care work 80 hours a week.What next. If you give in to one thing it may never stop. I dont know what the unions turned down or what the CEO was prosposing. You cant judge from a one minute clip from the today show.

always two sides to a story and in the case negotiation. As its been for some time now its the unions fault. Just look at whats going on around Westhester. Yonkers, white plains New Ro and CSEA with the county. For all you guys saying you would work for less to keep your jobs, Well how much less? $4.00 an hour? pay for your health care work 80 hours a week.What next. If you give in to one thing it may never stop. I dont know what the unions turned down or what the CEO was prosposing. You cant judge from a one minute clip from the today show.

WHITE PLAINS PROFESSIONAL FIREFIGHTERS LOCAL 274 ARE WEARING AND SELLING PINK T SHIRTS FOR THE MONTH OF OCTOBER FOR BREAST CANCER AWARENESS. SHIRTS ARE $20 AND CAN BE PURCHASE ANY TIME AT FIRE HQ ST 6 MAMARONECK AVE AND MAPLE ST. 100% OF PROCEEDS GO TO SOLE RYEDERS AND FRIENDS OF RYE A NON PROFIT ORGANIZATION. XL,L,M,S. XXL SOLD OUT. SO STOP BY FIRE HQ AND BUY A SHIRT!! WEAR WHAT THE FIREFIGHTERS OF WHITE PLAINS ARE AND HELP FIGHT BREAST CANCER. THANK YOU
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WHITE PLAINS PROFESSIONAL FIREFIGHTERS LOCAL 274 ARE WEARING AND SELLING PINK T SHIRTS FOR THE MONTH OF OCTOBER FOR BREAST CANCER AWARENESS. SHIRTS ARE $20 AND CAN BE PURCHASE ANY TIME AT FIRE HQ ST 6 MAMARONECK AVE AND MAPLE ST. 100% OF PROCEEDS GO TO SOLE RYEDERS AND FRIENDS OF RYE A NON PROFIT ORGANIZATION. XL,L,M,S. XXL SOLD OUT. SO STOP BY FIRE HQ AND BUY A SHIRT!! WEAR WHAT THE FIREFIGHTERS OF WHITE PLAINS ARE AND HELP FIGHT BREAST CANCER. THANK YOU
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You are going to tell me they dont have another rig in the house to take the call. Have you seen the firehouse in Westcherster county? they all have more then one rig in them.For the screw it part, for anybody to think like that they should just quit!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!(but make sure they do it after the free trip to lake george)

You are going to tell me they dont have another rig in the house to take the call. Have you seen the firehouse in Westcherster county? they all have more then one rig in them.For the screw it part, for anybody to think like that they should just quit!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!(but make sure they do it after the free trip to lake george)

You are going to tell me they dont have another rig in the house to take the call. Have you seen the firehouse in Westcherster county? they all have more then one rig in them.For the screw it part, for anybody to think like that they should just quit!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!(but make sure they do it after the free trip to lake george)

You are going to tell me they dont have another rig in the house to take the call. Have you seen the firehouse in Westcherster county? they all have more then one rig in them.For the screw it part, for anybody to think like that they should just quit!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!(but make sure they do it after the free trip to lake george)

wounder if it was the same guy I seen down the jersey shore some 222 miles(one way) and four hours away, driving around in his chief truck.

wounder if it was the same guy I seen down the jersey shore some 222 miles(one way) and four hours away, driving around in his chief truck.

ladder would have been no good. power lines.(look at Picture # 1 #2 and # 4) like tglass said fire went out nobody got hurt and the house is still standing. WPFD did a great job making a great stop and preventing the fire from getting to the attic with little man power and one truck comp OOS. Also was a delay in calling FD,

ladder would have been no good. power lines.(look at Picture # 1 #2 and # 4) like tglass said fire went out nobody got hurt and the house is still standing. WPFD did a great job making a great stop and preventing the fire from getting to the attic with little man power and one truck comp OOS. Also was a delay in calling FD,

ladder would have been no good. power lines.(look at Picture # 1 #2 and # 4) like tglass said fire went out nobody got hurt and the house is still standing. WPFD did a great job making a great stop and preventing the fire from getting to the attic with little man power and one truck comp OOS. Also was a delay in calling FD,

I love the monday morning qb's on this site. bottom line is fire went out, everybody went home and the structure is still there.

Yellow coats are the Lieutenant, tan coats are theDeputy Chiefs or the Chief of the dept, Black are the firefighters

Yellow coats are the Lieutenant, tan coats are theDeputy Chiefs or the Chief of the dept, Black are the firefighters

I give the PD credit for not shooting this guy dead on the spot!!! They should not alow people to wear costums or dress up to these movie screening and stop the midnight showings, i know it could have happened at any time of day/night. Now we are going to have metal detectors
at the movies.

good to see some that would rather use there time to train then march in a parade! goodd job to all involved!

"the presumption that the biggest contributing factor to the accident was the firefighters level of compensation shouldn't really be a factor."-
This is absolutely correct! Compensation has absolutely nothing to do with this issue. As I have said previously, the huge differences between career and volunteer firefighters in New York State are ones of selection standards, training standards, physical fitness standards, accountability standards, promotion standards, etc. Basically we are talking about qualifications here. The overwhelming majority of career Firefighters who must by necessity live up to these standards should not suffer blows or be discredited by the actions of a volunteer firefighter or volunteer firefighters who are not required to live up to the same standards.
Particularly in these times, when career Firefighters are under attack in regard to levels of personnel, compensation and benefits, and whether or not we are worth the investment the community is making in our services, it is important that the vast differences between standards for volunteer and career firefighters be emphasized, especially in instances such as the one in Harrison, which are fairly common in the volunteer fire service, and extremely rare on the career side.
Volunteer Firefighters go to great lengths to emphasize to their communities that they are "VOLUNTEER", and are providing a vital service which saves the community oodles and oodles of money. OK, fair enough. Why then, would there be a problem when career Firefighters choose to say, "wait, first of all there are many hidden costs with volunteer fire departments- (pensions, health insurance, tax breaks and other perks and incentives, higher insurance premiums, annual solicitations), and furthermore, career Firefighers must live up to much more stringent standards than do volunteers?"
This is in no way advocating for careeer Firefighters everywhere, nor is it a bash on the many good, dedicated people who serve as volunteer Firefighters in their communities.
I realize I won't convince the poster I am responding to here, or certain other members of this site. They will most likely choose to make a personal attack, or to accuse me of making a personal attack. I expect and accept that. I do realize however, that continuing to calmly explain the differences between career and volunteer Firefighters in New York State, in this forum and elsewhere, will open up the eyes of many in our community. If people have this information, hopefully more will begin to realize the difference, and understand why, in certain communities, career Firefighters are a necessity and worth every penny spent. Perhaps many who read these postings and are open minded will also realize that in certain communities served by volunteers (not all) there are many hidden costs and inneficences. With this realization by the community, maybe, over time, through consolidation and regionalization, more stringent training standards and accountability, things everywhere in the fire service can get better.
Again, thank you for keeping this thread going and thus giving me additional opportunities to discuss these important issues in the Fire Service.

The flaw in that arguement lies in the fact that career firefighters who make up somewhere between 20 and 25% of the firefighters in the US protect 75-80% of the population. They in turn respond to a greater number of responses than volunteers.
For the most part driving on the career side is usually done by more senior members. These members drive apparatus for a living and most of them drive the same rig everyday. They are older and much more familiar with the apparatus they drive. On the volunteer side it is much more common for younger members to drive apparatus and like it or not they do not get much time behind the wheel compared to their career counterparts. It's not hard to see why the statistics are what they are. The big question is how do you change them?

This guy is an embarrassment to the fire service. He put his own agenda ahead of public safety. Maybe he should have followed the actions of the chief in front of him and not like some careless idiot. It was an abuse of the towns vehicle and the privilege of driving an emergency vehicle. I think the major difference here being that he is a volunteer, is that had he been a career chief he would probably have been fired. In this case he carries on with his life, while this woman had to suffer because of his recklessness. Hopefully this has taught him a valuable lesson. None of us are exempt from negligence when it comes to driving to an emergency. Slow and steady wins the race.

Hi guys. I had a chance to pop back in here quickly and the responses have just about been what I expected. In response to those who state that my statistics are oversimplified or misleading, I would perhaps agree that stats can be used to mislead and that the stats I posted were not a comprehensive statistical analysis of the problem. However, they were not misleading.
When I post on here about obvious problems like reckless driving in the volunteer fire service, I am not posting to reach those of you whose heads are in the sand, who see this as a career vs. volunteer battle, and who take these things personally. I fully realize that you are not open minded and that you will feel that your best defense is a good offense and you will attack me personally or the career fire service in general. It is what it is.
The people I am trying to reach are the reasonable, open minded members of this forum- career, volunteer, and other. Any member of the fire service who has been paying attention over the course of several years or more would realize that this issue is what it is...there are reckless drivers in both the career and volunteer fire service. However, this is a minor issue on the career side, and a rampant one on the volunteer side.
Those who will dispute this, make excuses, or attack career Firefighters to deflect from the issue at hand, rather than make some attempt to solve this serious problem, do a disservice to those whom they are sworn to protect.

Something is up. District serves 24,000 dosnt seem like alot
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Palos Fire Protection District operates 2 fully staffed fire stations, 24 hours a day. Each day there are 5 paramedic/firefighters on duty at each station, responding to over 2400 requests for service each year. Palos Fire Protection District serves approximately 24,000 residents in Palos Township.
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We idolized and memorialized Whitney Houston, yet looked the other way concerning her well known substance abuse and tumultuous life with singer Bobby Brown.
Charlie Sheen is 45 and his story is all over the news because he is a
substance abuser, an adulterer, sexually promiscuous and obnoxious.
Lindsay Lohan is 24 and her story is all over the news because she is a
celebrity drug addict and thief.
Something as frivolous as Kim Kardashian's stupid wedding [and
short-lived marriage] was shoved down our throats, While........
Justin Allen 23
Brett Linley 29
Matthew Weikert 29
Justus Bartett 27
Dave Santos 21
Jesse Reed 26
Matthew Johnson 21
Zachary Fisher 24
Brandon King 23
Christopher Goeke 23
and Sheldon Tate 27...
Are all Marines who gave their lives last month for you. There is no
media for them; not even a mention of their names.
Young Men who most likely came from rural America seeking a chance
to better themselves and to serve this county.
Rest In Peace, and THANK YOU,TROOPS.
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