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One of the interesting points of this fire was the statement that the union president made and antiquefirelt touched on.   PFD has a protocol that if the members are suffering from smoke inhalation they automatically receive the cyanid antidote.   They felt that too many times members and the public, that have smoke inhalation, may very well have been exposed to cyanid as a product of combustion. 

Cyanid can do more harm faster than the  diagnosis can be made in larger doses.  

News reports that the Capt was being seen in the ER and his vitals crashed.   If not for the fact he was in the ER, there may have been a different outcome.   

This may explain some of the sudden deaths of healthy individuals after fires.  I have never heard of anyone job related having cyanid in their system at autopsy, but is it ever looked for?  

The building the Capt was in was the attic of college off campus housing.  I don't think there would be much hazardous materials in that attic.  

Yesterday the Providence FD had a 4th alarm fire when a triple decker caught fire with 45mph winds.  Exposers 2 & 4 became well involved on arrival of first due companies.  The second alarm was struck by the first due engine.   The third alarm was struck on arrival of the battalion chief. 

Both exposures 2 & 4 are houses rented by Providence College students. This has displaced 19 students.  All are seniors that will be graduating in 6 weeks. 

During the interior attack of the attic of exposure 4, a PFD Capt sustained a leg injury.   He was transported to an area hospital where during the evaluation of his leg the Capt's blood pressure bottomed out.  He was admitted to the ICU in critical condition.  He was intubated.  He was diagnosed as suffering from cyanid poisoning.   

Of the 21 firefighters injured at this and one other multiple alarm fire just as the first was winding down, one other was diagnosed with cyanid poisoning.   8 firefighters who were working in the same area as the Capt are being monitored for cyanid exposure. 

http://m.wcvb.com/news/firefighter-critically-injured-battling-heavy-fire-in-providence/38794022

36 minutes ago, dwcfireman said:

 

 

And, yes, you are correct, you can fly a registered drone at the airport.  Airport Operations and the Control Tower must agree, and if the Control Tower agrees you must have an aviation radio to remain in constant contact with the Tower (you must also obey ALL of their instructions).  But, I don't know of many airport operators and controllers that would allow you to fly a quadcopter or other R/C aerial device AT an airport....you could probably get away with it at a remote uncontrolled field upstate, or just go to a certified Radio Control "Airport."  I know for a fact that if you try to fly anything at Westchester (at least for recreational purposes) you're going to be told no.  We've already had a handful of incidents with drones.

I know of a few other quadcopter operators that have notified towers when they are in the vicinity of an airport and the towers asked them are you flying over the airport or on the approach/departure path.  They were just in the area (about a mile away).  The tower said don't bother them unless the quadcopter is in the direct flight path of the airport.

Many people have the wrong impression of these small UAS.  I was told by a county sheriff that I couldn't fly mine over public property.  He could not tell why why just he didn't want me to.  I had another experience where the location said I couldn't fly because I was video taping my flight.  I would be violating peoples privacy.  This was a public place.  As I was told this, there were many parents taking pics of their kids.  How does my quadcopter video tapping up at 300-400 feet up in the air violate someone's privacy and the parents at ground level doesn't.

Most operators are responsible flyers.  They better be unless they are willing to waste $2,500-7,500.  That's what these things cost for the average operator.  Some are over $10,000.

Here is one of my short videos.  It was shot at about 100-125 feet up.  You will see at the half way mark 2 people on the pier.  You can't I.D. these people so there really isn't any privacy violation as people claim.  

As Seth mentioned it could be used for immediate water surveillance.  If the quadcopter went up to 400 feet you could see a body in shallow water that is on the bottom.  

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On March 20, 2016 at 0:50 PM, dwcfireman said:

 

If the drone is registered, the "pilot" has taken the online course and done the proper paperwork, 

No online course is needed.  You just register your info and pay $5.

On March 20, 2016 at 0:50 PM, dwcfireman said:

 

 and the drone is flown at less than 400 feet above the ground greater than 5 miles of an airport, 

You can fly the quadcopter AT THE AIRPORT, if you contact air traffic control and airport authorities ( and the both says yes).  You have to keep it under 400 feet.  Most good quadcopters have built in software that will not let you fly it more than 400 feet higher then the starting point elevation of the quadcopter's flight.

When Empress lost the NR contract about 20 years or so ago, only ONE medic and ONE EMT changed over to the new vendor. Everyone else stayed, no one got laid off.

I can't speak for the labor history of Empress. I can only speak from my personal experience in N.R. Abbey Richmond had the New Rochelle contract from when N.R. Hospital stopped ambulance service Jan. 1, 1975 until around 1983-84 when Affiliated Ambulance was awarded the contract with a much lower bid then Abbey. Affiliated was able to do this because they had only a few EMTs and 1-2 paramedics. Once Abbey lost the contract there were more EMTs and Paramedics then Abbey could use so many of us jumped over with the promise of working only in N.R.. When we jumped we lost all our seniority, vacation pay, sick time and went to Affiliated starting pay, which was much lower then Abbey's for both EMTs and Paramedics. Most of us didn't want to leave our comfort zone, many had worked in N.R. for over 5 years. This was also good for the N.R. system. The police and fire knew us, the E.R. staff knew us, we knew N.R. and at that time the Pelham's also.

Affiliated systematically rotated in new EMTs and Paramedics into N.R. and then started to mess with the old timers,(they actually scheduled paramedics to do ambulette runs) to a point 80% of the old timers left Affiliated. It wasn't soon after the old timers left that Affiliated could not meet the contract and N.R. abruptly cancelled it. The City of N.R. then handed the contract to Empress who at the time had their own problems, but was the only remaining ambulance company that able to operate in Westchester. This was the jump start that Empress needed to grow.

Then the system cycled again and again to this point where Empress is the 6th contracted provider in N.R. When I spoke of stability in the EMS, I was also referring to the system itself, not just the employees. Every time a new provider enters the system, everyone has to adapt. However it is easier nowadays to have a smoother transition do to technology. CAD, GPS, cell phones, radios with talk-a-bout channels, etc.

that it make all the sense in the world to have a Consolidated County Run Fire and EMT Service, just like other MAJOR (and Populated) Counties throughout the United States have successfully in place today, that has saved taxpayers a tremendous amounts of money annually (Look at Montgomery County Maryland and Gwinnett County Georgia

Again no one has shown any financials as to the "tremendous savings" a Westchester County run fire department would save the tax payers. All the buzz words and phrases sound good, but the bottom line is MONEY.....What is the cost for this great service to the citizens. Show me where I will at least maintain the same level of fire protection and not cost me any more money. I will even say you can raise my taxes if the savings to my homeowners insurance goes down by the same amount.

It is simply a "Political" battle between politicians who continue to fight to save the "Good Old System" that has been broken for over 100 years, because they don't want to upset certain groups that could impact their political position within their local municipality; as well as Unions, who rather keep 100% controls over their small piece of the pie, rather than having a UNIFIED COUNTY PROFESSIONAL FIREFIGHTERS ASSOCIATION UNION, who would have more to gain, by having a larger SINGLE group to ensure equal rights and a single negotiated contract, which would benefit the firefighters individually more than what they have today (but these local Union Leaders are fearful that if there is only 1 single union, that these Union Leaders would lose their jobs (because you would only need to have 1 head of the County Professional Firefighters Union and 1 head of the County Professional Firefighters Officers Union).

The three career fire districts in the Town of Greenburgh have formed 1 union, and they can't get the powers to be to make it 1 fire district because of the inequality of taxables in the district. The areas with a lower tax rate due to more properties that pay their fair share don't want to subsidies the areas that have a greater amount of tax exempt properties.

Again all the great models in the U.S. of consolidated fire or EMS systems have a different property tax situation. You are comparing apples to pineapples, they sound similar, but are two totally different items.

The bottom line is the bottom line.....Show me the money.

So, by your argument, county run systems like those in Maryland, Virginia, Florida and California are failures due to costs and subsidies of smaller communities. Hmmm. Really?

You wouldn't be paying for larchmont to have fire protection equal to that of Yonkers, you would be paying to have your fire protection. All pay the same for the same coverage. That's like saying one neighborhood in Boston should pull out of the BFD because they don't like that from time to time their engine leaves to cover calls in another district.

That's why the mess that exists now, exists. If you consolidate all the resources, the system becomes more efficient. Is it THAT hard to see? It's managed and run as a SYSTEM, not a bunch of independent entities.

If you live on the border of say Yonkers and what used to be a volunteer town, you may just get your second engine or ladder WAY faster than you used to, because it's not coming from the other side of Yonkers, but from the next CLOSEST fire house.

How exactly is this bad? Uniform training, uniform standards and staffed fire stations. None of those are bad.

I never said that departments like the ones in Fla., MD.,Va., etc are failures. Departments like those were establish due to a lack of any fire protection or not enough due to a growing community. Most were due to post WWII development, not to consolidate existing departments. They were able to plan and construct fire stations in ideal locations for timely responses to the entire area. These were areas that had little or no community services to start with so the counties were providing most of these services so the tax rates were equal across the board. In Westchester there are communities that have been around (providing services) for over 100 years. It would be easy to do what those other counties are doing if Westchester was a new developing county. Palm Beach County F.D. (Fla) was organized in the mid 1980's due to massive development in Palm Beach County west of I-95 where there was little or no fire protection. Fairfax County F.D. (Va) was organized in 1949 to assist the existing vol. depts. and didn't really grow until the post WWII development exploded in the late 1950's and it wasn't until the 1970's that they built new stations to handle the growth of the county.

The Pace study on consolidation talks about how to consolidate and how many personal are needed, but they have not done a comprehensive financial study to see who pays what. That question has been asked on these forums many times without any answers.

My point to my previous post was asking 61MACKBR1 why he is so worried about what is going on in Westchester. He seems to have a dog in this fight. And I say the same to you from Derry, N.H., It seems more out of county people on here have a strong opinions how Westchester should be run. When you can tell me that you were part of a new county consolidation program in YOUR state, and it worked, then please jump in and gives us some insight as to how we can make it work. Not just jump on these forums and say CONSOLIDATE IS THE BEST.

The "SMART MOVE" would be to do what a very large percentage of COUNTIES do throughout this country. And that is to have a COUNTY RUN EMS and FIRE SERVICE (Consolidated) and everything run by the County, with the Operations 100% controlled out of Valhalla (60 Control) and the heck with all of the City/Town/Village Run Fire and EMS Services. Until such time as everyone in Westchester County wakes up and realizes that the HOME RUN and BACK ROOM POLITICS (tied to individual UNIONS) are causing 99.99% of the headaches in each and every municipality here in Westchester County, all of this "Yo-Yo'ing" of quality of service, complaints about Mutual Aid and other nonsense, will continue to happen.

ONE SYSTEM, ONE OPERATION, ONE EMERGENCY SERVICE OPERATION (County Run), ONE SET OF UNIFORM TRAINING REQUIREMENTS FOR ALL FIREFIGHTERS, EMT's and PARAMEDICS, AND ONE COUNTY RUN OPERATION (with one 'set' of Officers and Command Personnel, overseeing all Fire and EMS Operations throughout the County)

Until then, this county will continue to be in CHAOS

For someone from the State of Rhode Island, you always seem to have a strong opinion on how we should run things down here in Westchester. Not every location is broke down here. Yes many areas would benefit from a merger/consolidation. But at what cost? If Larchmont was to be merged with N.R. who would pay for the extra firefighters needed to man the Larchmont station?? Larchmont could only man 1 rig with their current manpower. Is N.R. suppose to provide the extra manpower? My taxes are high enough and I'm not willing to subsidize Larchmont so they can have adequate fire protection. I want MY dept to be available for My family and MY property. Not Larchmont's or Mount Vernon's or Eastchester's, etc. They can have assistances every now and then for the major stuff, but for everyday stuff I want my first and second due engine and truck available for MY house.

30A15 went out on an FD smoke in the structure call. 60-Control didn't assign him, and he said he would landline 60. Anybody know what's up with this?

The smoke in the structure call was at the McDonalds next to Sta #3. If that was the unit assigned to stay #3, they would have had to move the ambulance so Eng 23 could respond. Thus putting them basically on the scene anyway.

This is what is wrong with the step child of emergency services. When any municipality puts EMS out to bid you do not get stability in service. Over the years every system goes through a cycle. The lowest bidder. Now most of the current EMS employees of TransCare NR will be looking to switch over to Empress. Thus losing seniority and pay grade. This is no way to maintain quality EMS personal.

EMS must be part of the municipality just as Police and Fire is. EMS must be the third service.

There will never be stability in EMS when there is a profit to be made.

Congrats Empress! Didn't they hold the New Rochelle contract in the past as well?

This is the 6th change of providers to the City of New Rochelle for ambulance coverage after N.R. Hospital discontinued ambulance service in 1975. Empress had the contract in the mid 1980's.

the answer to this problem is simple CONSOLIDATION

New Rochelle needs to get the New Rochelle City Counsel agree to fund a minimum number of firefighters per shift. Back in the 1980's there were 31 firefighters per shift

5 engines X 4 firefighters = 20

3 ladders. X 3 firefighters = 9

D C and his aid = 2

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31 Total

NRFD needs to go back to this level of manning plus 1 additional firefighter on each ladder and 2 firefighters to man to rescue every shift. NRFD needs to be funded for a minimum of 36 firefighters per shift,

There are tons of other threads on this subject of but I think it does boil down to that. There's two disparate classes of training in NYS and absolutely no requirement for the volunteer sector to comply with it so there is no guarantee you're getting apples when you order apples. When a truck of oranges shows up what are you supposed to do?

What do you do when you call for a department and they send ALL of the career staff on the engine, leaving no one to man the remaining apparatus. Then 5 minutes later a call comes in for their department. No one is in town to cover the call and the call gets given to the neighboring department. Should that department have been called in the first place ? Should they have refused to respond to the mutual aid fire ?

Lets take it one step farther. The town of Pelham is 2.2 square miles. Approximately 1/2 is the village of Pelham and the other half is the village of Pelham Manor. They have an elected town supervisor and four Town Board members. plus Assistant to the Supervisor, Comptroller and ten departments: Town Clerk, Receiver of Taxes, Assessor, Courts, Town Engineer, Buildings, Senior Advocate, Historian, and Controller/Bookkeeper all in one town hall,

Then the villages have 2 of everything:

2 village managers

2 village clerks

2 village Police Departments

2 village Fire Departments

2 village Department of public works,

2 village Building Inspectors.

2 village attorneys

2 village Mayors and Boards

1 ALS flycar

AND is the only community in Westchester county with NO AMBULANCES.

Barry the Town of Pelham is taking great strides to consolidate. Back in the late 70's the village of Pelham did absorb the Village of North Pelham's police department. Things can't happen overnight.

heres a good one when i was new at the TMFD back before the fire house was remodled and 2 bays added on we would hang out down in the club room when an alarm would come in you would run for the sairs which were right next to the kitchen on the left side of the door well in 1995 the fire house renovations were finished and to the members old habits were hard to break well when the alarm would sound everyone would run for the stairs and for a long time months probably we would forget they were moved to the back side of the room no longer next to the kitchen that was now a wall well you can guess the rest "bang"

I have to admit I ran into the wall a few times.

Back in the 80's, NRFD was considered a, 2 fire, fire department. NRFD could handle 2 different room and content fires. Today NRFD can only handle 1 R&C fire before having to call for help. In NRFD case what has changed? 1 less man per engine? New rules on staffing? Lack of dedication? Harder fires to fight? Lack of understanding by management (city council ) as to the needs of a fire dept.? I think you asked a complex question and there is no easy answer.

As I said NRFD was a 2 fire fire dept. It has always been one of the best around, but today if there is a room and content fire in the north end what can I expect if I have a fire at my house 10 minutes later? A 1 & 1 response when the first fire gets a 4 & 2 response. Like I said there is no easy answer.

Retiring when you want to is a good thing. Stay healthy, wealthy and wise.

Nor do you park over a storm drain or sewer cover.

Again, Silverman is a tool, used by the municipalities to weasel out of their obligations. And don't get me started on that Mary Lou.

You forgot Paula Tiner........The case worker for 207 Resolutions that can take up to 2-3 days to return the employees phone calls but gets back to the city manager in under 5 minutes.......

I was examined by "Dr Silverman" and his report was all fabercated lies. During the exam he popped my hip out causing me to seek out medical aid. He claims that I set him up b/c I was video recording the exam. He even accessed medical reports of mine that had nothing to do with my case and used the smallest bits of info from those reports against me. He only used the parts that would support his claim and not the whole part that would reject his claims.

I guess my school Taxes will double in the coming years, Anyone want to buy a house in New Rochelle???

I never said that the pulmonary function was required. I said that they refused to do anything but that (Pulmonary function and fit test). It was agreed upon by all the labor lawyers on "their" interpretation of the standard. The Career firefighters involved refused other components that seemed to be the standard when I was on the job (EKG, blood work, X-ray, pulmonary function, med Hx, etc).

Can you tell me where it says they only have to do a pulmonary function test?

Nowhere in the law does the term "pulmonary function test" come up.

29CFR 1910.134 Medical evaluation. Using a respirator may place a physiological burden on employees that varies with the type of respirator worn, the job and workplace conditions in which the respirator is used, and the medical status of the employee. Accordingly, this paragraph specifies the minimum requirements for medical evaluation that employers must implement to determine the employee's ability to use a respirator.

What it goes on to say is that a medical professional must make the determination if the employee may where a respirator. The pulmonary function test maybe a component of that.

Like many other volunteer fire around the region, state and nation, they are gone.

The volunteers in many combo depts. have no say because they refused to meet the most minimum of standards as set by law. I know of at least 5 depts. where the volunteers refused to have medicals and refused to meet the OSHA minimum training standards. So the depts. changed their status from volunteer to civilian.

I know of career firefighters that refused to take any sort of medical and did not have to because of the interpretation of how the medical standard was written. They were only required to do a pulmonary function and fit test.

Here is a short video of when I was trying out my quad copter. This video was at between 300-400 feet. What you are looking at is a southern direction. In the back ground you can see L.I. Sound and beyond that is L.I.

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The drone ( Quad Copter) in the video by what is described and the shadow in the video, it looks like it's a DJI Phantom II. With GoPro camera it will run you about $2K. The down side to using it at a large op is that it only has about 15-20 minute flight time. Depending on how you are operating the quad copter and prevailing winds. Then you have to change out the battery. Which only takes a minute , but then you have to preflight the quad and launch it again.

It can give you a live video feed, but with the GoPro no camera zoom.