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If that was a attic fire then it was a good move.  What ever that was it wasn't really well attached to the rest of the house.  Imeadiate results too.

8 hours ago, x152 said:

 

No interior stairs? Really? Is that the best you can come up with?

 

You did notice the members that were seen in the video walking inside on the second floor with hand lights (at the same time that someone was arbitrarily taking out a window from a ladder).

 

Looked good for Mommy or your Istantgram profile pic, could have just as easily been opened up by hand from the guy standing inside.

 

The attic space on a house like this is relatively small. Fires in attics such as this work best when water actually comes in contact with the fire.

 

Given that the roof is designed to shed water, a couple of holes from below and some application of water and we can save the numerous tones, air horn extravaganza, and epic battle poses for a fire that may actually be deserving of such.

 

The more videos like this that appear, I really wonder if the fire service of today is about production for social media or about effectiveness of tactics and extinguishment.

 

Flame on.

 

 

 

 

I guess I wasn't sarcastic enough.  

Do the Citizens that pay to have a career fire department want to pay to supplement they're neighbors who don't want to pay for a career department?  Does this fit into the equation anywhere?

Maybe there were no interior stairs, leaving them no choice but to extend a ground ladder with a new technique and put a stream from a Hand line through a attack window?

Is the safety issue for the residents of Norwich ct the fact that they're fire department isn't  called for mutual aid?  Or is it that they're department isn't adequately trained of staffed?

Will they be taking over in Mt Vernon as well?  I hear they're looking to make changes there

On 10/28/2016 at 0:07 PM, sueg said:

Thank you very much for the information - it helps us be prepared.  I will pass it along.

How does this affect your organization?  What preparation needs to be done in advance?  Is this a negative or a positive?

If I'm not mistaken I believe its the other way around?

The Mayor of mt vernon figured out a way to save money. Instead of putting money into his fire budget he uses other town's or city's fire budget. He's ahead of his time and he thanks all.

http://pix11.com/2015/04/27/yonkers-fire-department-says-mt-vernon-is-taking-advantage-of-aid/

Couple of roll overs and a gas leak and guys want to pat themselves on the back. Everybody made home safe?

It was a stretch comparing E82 to spring valley and 6 fires a year. As Far as the building code violations? It sounds pretty bad in spring valley but this sort of thing happens everywhere.

Whats the ballpark number not including mutual aid? Stay safe!!

It sounds like there are a lot of building code violations in spring valley. This could lead to many dangers for firefighters in spring valley. How many structure fires did spring valley have last year? In spring valley?

How many structure fires did Spring Valley have last year? In Spring Valley?

A Good lesson. I'm glad everyone is ok. Equipment can always be replaced.

http://www.lohud.com/story/news/crime/2014/12/06/greenburgh-cops-probe-possible-insurance-fraud-fire-department/20015099/

Ham, roast beef, assorted cheese's etc etc.....

Its obvious to me that the trooper only wanted to help this man. Why he wouldn't want his help is beyond me. Good job he got what he deserved for refusing the troopers help.

It does look like the trooper was trying to kick the hat out the way. That hat was making it difficult for the troopers to subdue that guy.

Somebody filming a police interaction could in some cases aid the police against somebody else's edited video. I know if i had video footage that disputed a edited video that made the cops look bad I would give it to them. Thats one of the reasons dash cam video camaras were placed in many patrol cars.

I think most would agree that if you're sticking your body parts into the melee you're too close and we've all seen those videos lately. If you are close enough to reach out and touch the cop, you're close enough for him to be worried about someone reaching out and trying to take his gun.

So you think just out arms reach? Thats sounds reasonable. I would agree with you as well as most would.

As far as staying back far enough as to not interfere? Who decides whats "far enough"? The cop who might be trying to keep you from filming him? Some cops might think a good distance is three blocks away. Now what?

Where's the money going? Not to the fd

Times are changing. Whenever there is a budget shortfall the fire department is where they make their cuts.

This is right out of the Westchester County Fire Mutual AId Plan, Section 1 Purpose

"It is expected that Plan participants shall first expend and exhaust all of their own resources prior to placing a Mutual Aid request. Mutual Aid is intended to be reserved for extreme circumstances. It is not intended to be routine, nor should it become abusive or an unreasonable burden to the Fire Agencies providing assistance."

That's all well and good Barry but when the bell rings and the guys in eastchester need help what are you gonna do? Copy and paste something that was written 20+ years ago. Times are changing.

But I thought M/A was the answer? Especially when guys come back on OT of an undermanned and ill equipped Dept. to help their neighboring struggling "Brothers" out next door who have been fighting the same issue for yrs. That's all Ive ever heard from my fellow Union Brothers, "Hey we're there for you guys just give us a call." LMAO! The chickens are coming home to roost!!! Gotta love the "Union Solidarity!" It's all bullshit fellows!

But isn't mutual aid about helping neighboring departments out when they need help? Thats what I was under the impression it was for.