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The question about Echo responses is really up to the department. The thing about non traditional resources responding is really for paid departments that have a lot of staffed apparatus. This way if there was a CPR call across the street from a rescue company or Hazmat company they would respond along with the assigned box. 

I never got the BLS hot / ALS cold thing on the Charlie responses either, but that is thr model in the EMD training guides. Again it is probably designed for paid systems that have many more BLS units than ALS.  This way the closer BLS unit responds hot and assesses the patient and can make a decision on cancelling the ALS unit or upgrading them to an emergency response. 

Charlie level calls are most ALS calls that are not imminently life threading. (I.e.  Diabetics but conscious, Abdominal pain over age 35, Difficulty breathing but still alert and able to speak in full sentences; Stroke symptoms without airway compromise; Chest pain without altered mental status or severe diff. Breathing )

Every agency will have this system set up different. But the basic version is:

A - BLS unit non emergency 

B- BLS unit emergency

C- BLS unit emergency and ALS unit non emergency 

D - BLS and ALS emergency

E- BLS and ALS emergency + closest unit (like Hazmat, fire marshals etc)

E is basically for what they call ineffective breathing and only a few calls are E (CPR, Hanging, Drowning/Submerged Vehicle occupied)

Now the agencies can change things. For example in Orange County it basically is

A - BLS non emergency

B - BLS emergency

C/D/E - BLS and ALS emergency

Date: 2/19/17
Time: 2055
Location: 70 Carol Drive 
District: Monroe Joint Fire District 

Battalion: 5

Channel:

Weather:
Units: Monroe, Warwick (FAST T633), Greenwood Lake (TA621), Chester (Engine, TA919), Woodbury (E525, Tanker), Tuxedo (Engine), South Blooming Grove (LZ)
Writer:  v85

Description:

2nd alarm structure fire with Medivac called

2105: Goshen 1 Engine to Monroe Station 3

2110: ALS unit arriving on scene 

TBTA is the Triboro Bridge and Tunnel Authority. They are a part of the MTA that maintains several crossings including the RFK bridge, Brooklyn Battery Tunnel and Midtown Tunnel

there is a rumor that their law enforcement was to be absorbed into the NYSP but given the truck, they may try to split them off from MTA into their own agency, hence why no agency markings 

that is  TBTAs new color scheme

All NYC firefighters are NYS peace officers by law. 

I wonder what DCJS will say when they get the peace officer forms with the yes, I have been convicted of a felony box marked off

How do they deal with the paperwork?  Or is that when they jump. I can't imagine anyone wanting to see hours of report writing 

Did Mobile Life get Transcare's CON?

No I agree with you. I would not run a fire department like that if I ever got the chance, and I believe it has changed in my area as well. 

I believe the historical reason was that by leaving some local companies back, they could guide the farther away companies about local knowledge and hazards.  Of course now with GPS and CAD and computerized preplans that isn't needed as much or at all anymore

as far as the fast team thing, I don't know about FDNY but when I was dispatching in Maryland the fast was always the 1st arriving ambulance served as the OSHA two out until the fourth due engine arrived and was the fast. 

Not saying this is the reason but I know there is still a train of thought among some departments that you need to play hopscotch when calling mutual aid. He line of reasoning I have heard is so that you don't deplete an entire side of the county for one incident. Also for fast teams I have heard that some chiefs will not call neighboring departments because they could get too emotionally involved if they had to make a rescue and make unsafe decisions

not saying that is what is going on here or that it is right, but it is a potential explanation

Would any department really respond a first due piece with no interior members?  Has that happened or is this a hypothetical

As far as the leadership issue goes. Commissioners are elected by the general public. So if anything it is the public who needs to pick better leaders. Although the fire service doesn't often inform the public that there are commissioners elections

I have many of the same questions. Does the fire chief believe his members/ employees were making the comments ?  Or that they are related to her death?  Why is the fire chief and not LE investigating? 

It looks like scene support will no longer exist. Those classes can be given in house by the local fire department on a flexible schedule. There also will be no FFI class, there will be instead a live fire and SCBA add on module given at the training center that when combined with the first part equals FFI certification 

I think everyone is missing the point

The point is that pre- dosed medication the same that are being used by haztac medics are already filtering down to the EMT level and thus there is really no reason. For haztac medics if that is all they are administering 

I'm guessing it is because of the meds but that must be a NYC protocol thing. EMTs have atropine of organophosphate poisoning and nerve agent response in the Hudson Valley region, and I heard something about (rectal) Valium in the collaborative protocols as an assistive medication in refractory seizures

So  not to much differnce there

I thought they already had BLS HazTac units ?

Date: 12/19/2015
Time: 1022
Location: Interstate 84/ Exit 4E Offramp
District: Mechanicstown
Units: Mechanicstown FD, New Hampton FD, Wallkill EMS(193), Wallkill PD (82, 84), New York State Police (2F59, 3F8), Orange County SO (21)

Description: 2 Car MVA//Rollover//People laying in roadway

SP Sgt. en route to scene, Wallkill 84 cancelled

Date: December 19, 2015
Time: 1000
Location: Dollar Power, 470 State Route 211 E
District: Silver Lake Fire Department
Units: Silver Lake FD, Mechanicstown FD(1 Engine to Scene, FAST), Circleville FD (1 Engine to Scene, FAST, Fire Police SBIQ), Goshen FD (1 Truck to Scene), Middletown FD( 1 Engine SBIQ, Fire Police SBIQ), Washington Heights (1 Engine -> Silver Lake FD), Mobile Life (241, 251), OC Fire Investigator (36-101), OC Fire Coordinator(36-11), Wallkill Police (77, 78)

Description: AFA at Dollar Power, quickly upgraded to structure fire.

**Mechanicstown just toned for rollover on 84 in addition to this assignment** 1023 hrs

I think it makes a lot of sense when used appropriately but the question becomes, what is appropriate. For example, if the fire is a room and contents fire on the 2nd floor rear side of a house, would lobbing in water from the front side of the 1st floor, yards away from the fire really make that much of a difference? Same thing with set back houses and any time you have a long stretch. By the time you pull all that hose how "immediate" is the "immediate water"? (although a transitional attack might still be indicated, which I believe is a different thing, because this seems more about speed of water to fire, transitional to me is more about making a situation too dangerous for interior more safe) The other issue would be of possible overkill. If the fire is so small a can could handle, but you decide to shoot a 2.5 inch line through a window without checking, I can imagine the homeowner might get upset when the water damage bill comes in.

On the other hand, I see plenty of times where this would be a great strategy. For example, pretty much anything other than those few times above. In fact I believe FDNY does something similar regularly, using a deck gun immediately on arrival of storefront type fires

I haven't seen any new 2015 cars around this area (Troop F).

Right now it looks like they are running mostly Tahoes and CVPIs with some 2013-2014 Chargers mixed in

How is that necessarily related to volunteer agencies though? I have seen paid emergency services that are just as toxic or hostile environments as anything in the volunteer services.

I know the county fire investigator van was there as well. I know they have used that for command in the past too. But I don't know if that was what it was being used for here.

I mapped out the response from the fire scene to the nearby agencies with trucks this is what I found

1. Chester Fire 17 minutes

2. Goshen Fire Department 19 minutes

3. Slate Hill Fire Department 19 minutes * FAST

4. Greenville Fire Department 22 minutes

5. Mechanicstown Fire Department 25 minutes * FAST

6. Monroe Fire Department 27 minutes *FAST

7. Middletown Fire Department 28 minutes

8. Washingtonville Fire Department 29 minutes *FAST

9. Circleville Fire Department 29 minutes* FAST

Depending on what was going on in the rest of the county with calls and apparatus out of service, Washingtonville FAST might not be such an unusual occurrence. Slate Hill as FAST is pretty common, even to calls on the other side of town where it is a 30+ min eta

Along with the above, does anyone know how many structure fires 60 can handle at one time? Are they adequately staffed to pick up more departments going away from police dispatch?