JohnnyOV

Date: 1/11/12
Time:13:28
Location: 17 Heritage Dr
Frequency: 46.26, Fire 11, Fire ground 5
Units Operating:
Pleasantville FD: E-91, E-259, TL-5, R-47, T-57 - Car 2371,2372
Thornwood FD TL-1, E-89 for manpower - Car 2471, 2472
Valhalla FD - R9 - FAST - Car 2482
Millwood FD - R-36 - Cascade Car 2252
Chappaqua FD - E 146 - Car 2061, 2062
Batt 11
Armonk FD - E-287 to take up hydrant on Crest view and lay in for the TL operating
Relocate:
Potantico Hills FD: T-12 -Relocated, then requested to the scene, feeding TL-5
Sleepy Hollow FD: E-85 Relocated to PHFD
Briarcliff Manor FD: E-91 relocated PFD HQ
Mount Kisco FD: E-106 - relocated to Chappaqua
Weather Conditions: Cool and sunny
Description Of Incident:
13:28 - Dispatch for possible fire, caller sees house fire behind her house
13:31 - Re dispatch - MPPD relaying that DPW on scene with fully involved house
13:32 - Engine 91 enroute 10-75 transmitted
13:34 - Rescue 47 enroute
13:36 - 2371 ascertaining if anyone on scene yet - negative
13:37 - TL 5 enroute
13:38 - 2371 on scene establishing command - 2 story fully involved wood structure
13:39 - Coned electric and PVAC to the scene
13:57 - Command requesting tanker to the scene to feed the tower ladder - PHFD Tanker 12 enroute from PFD HQ
14:02 - Command updating 2.5 wood story 25x100, 4 hand lines in operation, fire throughout and through the roof, TL in operation as well, exterior operations, fire beginning to darken down
14:15 - Batt 11 requesting one Engine from Armonk to Scene - locate hydrant on Crestview before the scene to feed TL, one engine from Mt. Kisco to Stand by in Chappaqua
14:19 - Armonk HQ inquiring if request if for source pumper or attack engine
14:21 - Armonk toning out for Driver - E-287
14:25 - E-287 responding
14:26 - Batt 11 per command, 1 engine from Thornwood to the scene for manpower
14:27: CC1 - 4 hand lines, (inaudible), 1 Tower Ladder in operation, all hands working, structures integrity compromised.
13:32: Hawthorne to standby for Thornwood
14:35 - E-287 proceed up Heritage Dr, make a right on crestview, and hit the hydrant next to E-259
14:38 - 60-control advising CC1 operating time of 1 hour
14:39 - E-89 enroute
15:00 - CC1 - All visible fire is knocked down, checking for hot spots
photos: http://pleasantville...ulfed-in-flames
video: http://www.lohud.com/article/20120111/NEWS02/120111004/Pleasantville-home-engulfed-flames?odyssey=tab|topnews|text|Frontpage
Reporters:JohnnyOV, IzzyEng4, peterose313, Firedude
Writers: Johnny - has the can, so someone else take the - OV

What benefit is gained from an emergency ride to go and hang out at another station? If your reasoning is that, "well we MIGHT get called to the fire on an upgraded alarm, so we need to get their as quickly as possible," is exactly the same as saying "lets drive around town between calls with our lights and sirens going, because at some point, the tones are going to drop for something." I'm surprised that insurance companies even allow this to occur.

What benefit is gained from an emergency ride to go and hang out at another station? If your reasoning is that, "well we MIGHT get called to the fire on an upgraded alarm, so we need to get their as quickly as possible," is exactly the same as saying "lets drive around town between calls with our lights and sirens going, because at some point, the tones are going to drop for something." I'm surprised that insurance companies even allow this to occur.

Reminds me of this.

and for the light hearted...

EXCLUDING the use of a turbo draft...
In order to draft out of a body of water, hard (in reality its flexible, non-collapsible) suction must be used. The angle of hard suction used has no bearing on the drafting operations, rather it's based off the height of lift, the atmospheric pressure and the vacuum that the pump can create to "pull" the water into the pump. Theoretically, a fire engine's pump, under perfect conditions, can lift water about 33' above the water level. Due to limitations, imperfect seals, and other factors, the actual lift of the pump is actually closer to 20-24 feet. If the barometric pressure was reading low that day, you're looking at a lift of maybe 15 feet.
If I remember correctly, for the South Salem Fire the size up was given as a 3 or 4 story structure, with 2 in the front and the remainder in the rear... that right there is a huge difference in height to draft from those sources.
INCLUDING the use of a turbo draft....
The turbo draft works by using a simple physics process known as the Venturi effect. A 2.5" hose line is stretched from a discharge on the source pumper, to the turbo draft and a 5" supply line is returned into the intake of the engine. Water is pumped from the engine's tank, down to the turbo draft, and then the venturi effect forces more water back up and into the supply hose. Priming the pump is not required.
According to the specs of the turbo draft, you're maximum effective height is a 30 foot lift, with a 250' length of 5" being used. At the maximum distance and height, with a 150 psi 2.5. supply pressure, you're looking at a flow of about 150 gallons a minute. If' you're on flat ground and using 50' of 5', you should be getting a flow of 670gpm. http://www.turbodraft.com/products_01.html

and for the light hearted...

Similar situation in a rural area of North Carolina this week. Listen to the audio. Calm,cool and polite all at the same time. Someone taught this young man two things.
1.How to use a gun
2.Manners
Another win for the good guys.
My link

EXCLUDING the use of a turbo draft...
In order to draft out of a body of water, hard (in reality its flexible, non-collapsible) suction must be used. The angle of hard suction used has no bearing on the drafting operations, rather it's based off the height of lift, the atmospheric pressure and the vacuum that the pump can create to "pull" the water into the pump. Theoretically, a fire engine's pump, under perfect conditions, can lift water about 33' above the water level. Due to limitations, imperfect seals, and other factors, the actual lift of the pump is actually closer to 20-24 feet. If the barometric pressure was reading low that day, you're looking at a lift of maybe 15 feet.
If I remember correctly, for the South Salem Fire the size up was given as a 3 or 4 story structure, with 2 in the front and the remainder in the rear... that right there is a huge difference in height to draft from those sources.
INCLUDING the use of a turbo draft....
The turbo draft works by using a simple physics process known as the Venturi effect. A 2.5" hose line is stretched from a discharge on the source pumper, to the turbo draft and a 5" supply line is returned into the intake of the engine. Water is pumped from the engine's tank, down to the turbo draft, and then the venturi effect forces more water back up and into the supply hose. Priming the pump is not required.
According to the specs of the turbo draft, you're maximum effective height is a 30 foot lift, with a 250' length of 5" being used. At the maximum distance and height, with a 150 psi 2.5. supply pressure, you're looking at a flow of about 150 gallons a minute. If' you're on flat ground and using 50' of 5', you should be getting a flow of 670gpm. http://www.turbodraft.com/products_01.html

and for the light hearted...

EXCLUDING the use of a turbo draft...
In order to draft out of a body of water, hard (in reality its flexible, non-collapsible) suction must be used. The angle of hard suction used has no bearing on the drafting operations, rather it's based off the height of lift, the atmospheric pressure and the vacuum that the pump can create to "pull" the water into the pump. Theoretically, a fire engine's pump, under perfect conditions, can lift water about 33' above the water level. Due to limitations, imperfect seals, and other factors, the actual lift of the pump is actually closer to 20-24 feet. If the barometric pressure was reading low that day, you're looking at a lift of maybe 15 feet.
If I remember correctly, for the South Salem Fire the size up was given as a 3 or 4 story structure, with 2 in the front and the remainder in the rear... that right there is a huge difference in height to draft from those sources.
INCLUDING the use of a turbo draft....
The turbo draft works by using a simple physics process known as the Venturi effect. A 2.5" hose line is stretched from a discharge on the source pumper, to the turbo draft and a 5" supply line is returned into the intake of the engine. Water is pumped from the engine's tank, down to the turbo draft, and then the venturi effect forces more water back up and into the supply hose. Priming the pump is not required.
According to the specs of the turbo draft, you're maximum effective height is a 30 foot lift, with a 250' length of 5" being used. At the maximum distance and height, with a 150 psi 2.5. supply pressure, you're looking at a flow of about 150 gallons a minute. If' you're on flat ground and using 50' of 5', you should be getting a flow of 670gpm. http://www.turbodraft.com/products_01.html

EXCLUDING the use of a turbo draft...
In order to draft out of a body of water, hard (in reality its flexible, non-collapsible) suction must be used. The angle of hard suction used has no bearing on the drafting operations, rather it's based off the height of lift, the atmospheric pressure and the vacuum that the pump can create to "pull" the water into the pump. Theoretically, a fire engine's pump, under perfect conditions, can lift water about 33' above the water level. Due to limitations, imperfect seals, and other factors, the actual lift of the pump is actually closer to 20-24 feet. If the barometric pressure was reading low that day, you're looking at a lift of maybe 15 feet.
If I remember correctly, for the South Salem Fire the size up was given as a 3 or 4 story structure, with 2 in the front and the remainder in the rear... that right there is a huge difference in height to draft from those sources.
INCLUDING the use of a turbo draft....
The turbo draft works by using a simple physics process known as the Venturi effect. A 2.5" hose line is stretched from a discharge on the source pumper, to the turbo draft and a 5" supply line is returned into the intake of the engine. Water is pumped from the engine's tank, down to the turbo draft, and then the venturi effect forces more water back up and into the supply hose. Priming the pump is not required.
According to the specs of the turbo draft, you're maximum effective height is a 30 foot lift, with a 250' length of 5" being used. At the maximum distance and height, with a 150 psi 2.5. supply pressure, you're looking at a flow of about 150 gallons a minute. If' you're on flat ground and using 50' of 5', you should be getting a flow of 670gpm. http://www.turbodraft.com/products_01.html

EXCLUDING the use of a turbo draft...
In order to draft out of a body of water, hard (in reality its flexible, non-collapsible) suction must be used. The angle of hard suction used has no bearing on the drafting operations, rather it's based off the height of lift, the atmospheric pressure and the vacuum that the pump can create to "pull" the water into the pump. Theoretically, a fire engine's pump, under perfect conditions, can lift water about 33' above the water level. Due to limitations, imperfect seals, and other factors, the actual lift of the pump is actually closer to 20-24 feet. If the barometric pressure was reading low that day, you're looking at a lift of maybe 15 feet.
If I remember correctly, for the South Salem Fire the size up was given as a 3 or 4 story structure, with 2 in the front and the remainder in the rear... that right there is a huge difference in height to draft from those sources.
INCLUDING the use of a turbo draft....
The turbo draft works by using a simple physics process known as the Venturi effect. A 2.5" hose line is stretched from a discharge on the source pumper, to the turbo draft and a 5" supply line is returned into the intake of the engine. Water is pumped from the engine's tank, down to the turbo draft, and then the venturi effect forces more water back up and into the supply hose. Priming the pump is not required.
According to the specs of the turbo draft, you're maximum effective height is a 30 foot lift, with a 250' length of 5" being used. At the maximum distance and height, with a 150 psi 2.5. supply pressure, you're looking at a flow of about 150 gallons a minute. If' you're on flat ground and using 50' of 5', you should be getting a flow of 670gpm. http://www.turbodraft.com/products_01.html

Had an instructor in the academy who always said...there's no such thing as a "rekindle"....only bad overhaul. Always stuck with me.
Just a question in one of the photos there is heavy fire showing from the roof on the right side...can't see much on the left side of the house but I noticed that all 3 or 4 of the skylights on that side were taken out...just wondering from a tactical viewpoint what was the decision making thinking of taking them out at that point?
Also what does "low pressure" mean when it was noted that a mile and a half (?) of hose was put down?

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/45881535/ns/us_news-crime_and_courts/#.TwWnT6lwjow



RIP Agent Francom. Speedy recovery to all other affected in this heinous crime

Date: 1/4/2012
Time: approx 1400
Location: 9 N High Street
Frequency: Elmsford, Fire 14
Units: Elmsford Engine 237, ladder 55, tower ladder 21, Vallhalla FAST - rescue 9, Fairview engine 174, Hartsdale Engine 171, Hawthorne ladder 26
Weather Conditions: Cool
Description Of Incident: Fire in the basement of a 1.5 story 40 x 20 residence. 2 lines stretched and operating, Con Ed Gas/Electric to the scene.
14:15 - Fire appears to be extinguished, 1 engine from Hartsdale x 1 ladder from Hawthorne to back fill at Elmsford ladder Co's quarters, Batt 14 requested to the scene.
14:20 - 10-75 transmitted, Fire has extended to the 1st floor. Fairview Engine 174 and Valhalla FAST to the scene
14:25 - Command requesting E174's manpower
Hartsdale Engine 171 was relocating, and was requested to the scene as well for manpower.

Having mapped out the 1,500 hydrants in my city I can tell you there are ones that you will never find if you do not have a map (and a few that even with the map and the water company engineer you will still not find).
I also found 3 hydrants that are ornimental and do not function (one was plumbed with a 5/8" garden hose oulet that worked).
What Eastchester, Fairview, Greenville, Hartsdale, Larchmont, New Rochelle, Pelham, Pelham Manor and Scarsdale have done is added rig laptop computers with mapping software

Lots to see here, hydrants: red, orange, green & blue are NFPA flows. Blue with a red ring is unknown flow.
Marked with a "P" are private, "T" are out of town (normally they would be tank, but we do not have any of those) they can also list dry ones & yard ones. If you click on the hydrant the yellow box pops up, gives some info, then if you hit "open" gives specs, inspection history etc. on the hydrant.
Out of service Hydrants (none here) get a big X over the top of them and that can be set on our master PC at HQ and it pushes that info out to the fleet every 15 minutes.

In this map if you hit a button (distanse to 3 closest hydrants) you get the above on the rig map. Note the distances are direct to the house not via roads, so they are approx and they are color coded by flow.

Date: 4/25/2011
Time: 22:47
Location: TSP NB, 1/8m N of Rt 134
Frequency: 46.26, Fire 17, Fireground 7
Units Operating: Engine 270, Rescue 16, Engine 273, YVAC, 34-Medics, NYSP
Weather Conditions: light mist / fog
Description Of Incident:
Single Car into the median, down the embankment. 911 Caller was the driver, no other calls. Car was not visible from the road.
22:47 - Dispatched to incident
22:48 - 2532, 2533 Responding
22:50 - Engine 270, Rescue 16, Engine 273 responding
22:51 - 2531 responding
22:55 - 2533 on location, confirming entrapment, center median, 20 feet down the embankment
23:50 - Victim extricated (55 min extrication time), handed over to EMS, transported ALS to WMC
- Car was a new Subaru legacy with extremely strong frame work (boron and ultra high strength steel). Car wrecked at an extremely high rate of speed, causing the engine/dash to roll onto the driver, pinning the victim's right leg completely under the dash. During the incident, Multiple hydraulic cutting/spreading tools, 3 hydraulic rams, 1 sawsall and 1 steering wheel cutter were put to work. Precautionary hand line was also stretched. Units preformed a drivers side removal of the front door, and a full roof removal. The dash was then rolled as much as possible without further injuring the patient, and it was determined the victim's leg was pinned under the clutch and brake. The steering wheel cutter was used to cut the brake pedal out, and remove the victim. The victim was alert and conscious the duration of the incident, and suffered minor injuries. Without a doubt, this car saved this victim's life.
http://www.yorktownf...cfm?News_ID=305

Remember that story from a year ago about the TN department that watched a home burn, well it happened again and the community is up in arms about it again....
http://www.wpsdlocal...-135069773.html
The way the law is written seems pretty simple to me, and I've only briefly read up on TN's law. You have two different tax agencies, the city of South Fulton, and the unincorporated county tax regions. The City of South Fulton has a fire tax associated with it, and it's residents are required to pay. This ensures adequate fire protection for the city limits, and ensures a prompt and guaranteed effort to extinguish the fire. The unincorporated areas of the county (meaning they do not fall under any town or city limit lines) have 0 fire tax to pay. There are no fire departments, or other services in that area, unless there is a specific county tax for that service. People choose to live there because it is considerably cheaper, but do so knowing that many of the services the cities and towns have, they will not receive. As strictly a courtesy, the City of South Fulton has put a program in place, that for a nominal fee of $75 a year ($6.25 a month [less then a 6 pack of your finest canned beverage]) your home will be protected under their fire department. The department has no legal responsibility to respond or provide any type of service otherwise. Apparently, however, if there is a severe life safety issue of someone trapped, they will actually attempt rescue and suppression.
The people down there know about the fee, but feel that fire protection is a right, and not a privilege. Not being from the area, and never having to deal with this, I'm not sure how I feel about the entire situation.
On the one hand, it simply comes down to fire protection being a service. Service costs money, and that money is needed to be collected somehow. If you fight just one fire where the property owner didn't pay, it sets a precedent for the other owners of "Well if Mr. Jones didn't pay and still received the service, why should my family pay if they're still going to come out and do it for free? Sure you can suggest an "after service fee" of some amount that would cover costs, but if a homeowner isn't willing, or is unable to pay $75 a year, why / how would they then pay to cover the more exorbitant amount?
On the other hand, I signed up to perform a service to my community, and those who truly need help. It's what I enjoy doing, and want to be able to ensure the trust of those who we protect. I have serious doubts if I could respond to someone's home burning, and not set up something that at least gave the appearance we were doing anything to assist the situation. Luckily we're never going to have to deal with this in our county, and it's quite clear who gets fire protection... everyone. I understand why most of the people are upset at the situation, you dial 911 and expect someone to arrive and help you, and it is a real disheartening feeling when they arrive and only standby and watch.
I have to lean more towards my original thought though. These people knew, which was clearly stated in the article, about the service fee and refused to pay it. TECHNICALLY speaking, this home fell out of the jurisdiction of South Fulton, and is not part of their community, but what really makes a community? Town lines, common factors among people, school rivalries, fire tax lines?
Obviously I'm torn between the two lines, hence my wishy/washy last paragraph. I have no right answer on the situation.
What's your take on it?
Edit: POLL UP... Thanks Mods

Too soon?

Sounds like a great system when there aren't dedicated members to each function at every call... i.e. the volunteer realm.
The volunteers, and I say that by means of unstaffed departments where it is a crap shoot as to who shows up, are in need a system that can adapt and change with the number of personnel on scene. What was designed for FDNY is fantastic, but in all seriousness, can only work when there is down time during roll call to update who is actually working, and what position they're riding in. It is basically impossible for this system to work in a volunteer department, especially when you have guys showing up in POV's, ect ect.
Sitting here right now, I've thought of a few idea's that could incorporate the system that NRFD will be testing out, that could work for a volunteer department. However, It would require a lot of upgraded radios, and a small upgrade to gear.
Based off the system that the Capt stated above, what if each FF was issued an RFID tag (http://en.wikipedia...._identification) that was stitched into either his coat's radio pocket, or his radio strap or both. That RFID would label all the normal accountability information of who it is, what department they're from, age, gender, blood type, medical history, all the important personal stuff. The great thing about the RFID tag is that is requires no batteries to operate. It's the same thing that are placed into pets between their shoulder blades for identification if they're ever lost.
The radio itself, would then also double as an extremely low powered RFID reader, so when it's placed in either the radio pocket or the holster, it reads who it is, and transfers all the information to the base station. This could be coupled with the assignment that the FF is completing that the Capt. was referring to.
I'm sure they must already be looking into something like this though.

Date: 12/28/2011
Time: 0323
Location: 15 Lake Rd Cortlandt
Frequency: 46.26, Mohegan District Wide, Fire 17
Units Operating: E258 E252 L 35, Peekskill Fast, Buchanan Cascade, MVAC, Batt 17, CO z4
Weather Conditions: cold
Description Of Incident:
0323 - Dispatched to possible Structure Fire
0328 - 10-75 transmitted, PFD FAST, BFD Cascade, MVAC and Batt 17 dispatched
0408 - Per Batt 17 fire in a 35x25 2 story wood frame, heavy fire in the attic from the D side of the building.
0408 - ....Fire appears to be k/d at this time ....
0743 - situation under control ATT
0801 - all units in service
Reporters: to the left and up
Writer: my left and right hand

Date: 12/28/2011
Time: 0323
Location: 15 Lake Rd Cortlandt
Frequency: 46.26, Mohegan District Wide, Fire 17
Units Operating: E258 E252 L 35, Peekskill Fast, Buchanan Cascade, MVAC, Batt 17, CO z4
Weather Conditions: cold
Description Of Incident:
0323 - Dispatched to possible Structure Fire
0328 - 10-75 transmitted, PFD FAST, BFD Cascade, MVAC and Batt 17 dispatched
0408 - Per Batt 17 fire in a 35x25 2 story wood frame, heavy fire in the attic from the D side of the building.
0408 - ....Fire appears to be k/d at this time ....
0743 - situation under control ATT
0801 - all units in service
Reporters: to the left and up
Writer: my left and right hand

During a snow stand-by...
Base to utility: how are the conditions out there?
utility to base: wet and slippery
unknown source: YEHAHHHHH! THATS HOW WE LIKE IT!

I hereby surrender all previous posts. This thread should be deleted with the exception of this video.