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Large smoke plume visible from NYC.

Reminds me of this.

Reminds me of this.

I think you are right, some people SHOULD get a grip. I merely stated facts, you sir, read too far into it.

Actually I would consider it professionals having discussions about their trade. I'm sure you would comment if it is something on whatever it is you do for a living.
If anyone wants cake..go to the bakery. You can get rose colored glasses at sunglass hut. Crying towels at Bed, Bath and Beyond. Their is always use for pats on the back..and always time to discuss things for learning later. How many more times do we need to say..we need to get over ourselves and stop the crying when anyone discusses something different.

Hey probie, you seem to have it all figured out. Do you have any idea how a fire should go?
Just remember All the critics include the entire insurance industry. They told this home owner that because the FD score 10% on an open book test they get to pay an extra 40-50% for insurance every year since 1981 (actually on the previous home back to the 1920's) compared to depts that are within 25 miles of them.
You should be amazed, I am stunned at how backwards we really are. There is more water than you could ever need 50' off the road, less than 400' from the front door. But more than a half dozen departments have no idea how to use it.
When I was a probie, every instructor I had said, "if you want to be a good fire fighter, then shut your mouth and open yours ears....maybe, just maybe you will learn something"
We did not have the internet then...so now its fingers & eyes instead of mouth and ears.

Here's one, was there any thought about calling county FieldCom? This event is going on 8 hours in subfreezing temperatures, with a lot of manpower, departments, and chiefs/coordinators on scene. Especially with different frequencies and different departments from other counties(states) being used. Wouldnt it be nice to have a big whiteboard and plenty of room to "set up shop", not to mention its warm....
Isn't that what this truck is for?
On another note, stay safe everyone involved. No injuries is good, especially with the ice and cold.

Date: 1/2/2012
Time: 1150hrs
Location: 22 Eastern Ave (Between Linden and Churchill St.) - across from St. Ann's School
Frequency: 46.26, Fire 12, EMS 12, Fire 11, EMS 11, FG 3, 154.115 (OPD), 460.6125 (Fire-Police), 453.075 (OVAC), 156.225 (TFD), 453.200 (BMFD)
Units Operating on Scene: [Ossining FD: 2331 (IC), 2332, 2334, E96, E97, E98, E99, E100, E101, L41, TL42, R14], [Croton FD: 2081, E119 (FASTeam)], [briarcliff FD: 2052, R37 (Cascade)], [Ossining VAC: 74A1, 74B1, 36M1, 74-05 (EMS Command)], [Croton EMS: 55B1], [WCDES: Bat 12, Bat 11], Ossining PD, Con Ed (Electric and Gas)
Unints on Standby at OFD HQ: [Millwood FD: 2251, 2253, E247], [sleep Hollow FD: 2311, 2313, TL38]
Unints on Standby at SHFD HQ: [Tarrytown FD: 2461, 2462, L37]
Units on Stanby at OVAC HQ: [briarcliff FD: 53B1]
Description Of Incident: Working Fire in residential Structure. 4 L/S/O, 2 story wood frame
Reporters: Bigbuff, peterose313
Writer: firedude
Ossining Patch Article
Lohud Article
1146hrs: Ossining dispatched to a reported structure fire
1150hrs: Ossiing Command confirming 10-75, requesting Croton FAST to sceve via 60 control
1152hrs: Croton FAST Dispatched
1153hrs: 2081 reporting crew is assembling
1159hrs: Bat 12 Dispatched
1202hrs: 2081, E119 responding
1205hrs: Bat 11 dispatched
1206hrs: Ossining Command requesting E119 set up in St. Ann’s School Parking lot
1208hrs: 2081, E199 on scene
1210hrs: 74A1 and 36M1 reporting they are treating homeowner, requesting Croton ambulance to standby in OVAC HQ
1212hrs: Croton EMS dispatched for 1 Ambulance to standby at OVAC HQ
1218hrs: Ossining Command requesting Millwood Engine, Sleepy Hollow Ladder to Standby at OFD HQ, Con Ed to scene
1220hrs: Millwood Engine, Sleepy Hollow Ladder dispatched
1223hrs: 74-05 requesting Croton EMS to respond to scene, Briarcliff EMS to standby at OVAC HQ, 74A1 transporting homeowner ALS to Phelps Hospital
1224hrs: 55B1 responding to scene
1225hrs: Briarcliff Dispatched for 1 Ambulance to standby at OVAC HQ
1226hrs: 55B1 on scne
1225hrs: TL38 relocating to OFD HQ
1227hrs: E247 awaitng crew, retone for additional manpower
1228hrs: Bat 12 requesting Con ed Gas
1230hrs: 2253 out at OFD HQ
1220hrs: 2311 relocating to OFD HQ
1231hrs: Bat 12 reports 4lines, all units operating, 2 story wood frame, continuing to operate
1231hrs: 2461, L27 responding to Sleepy Hollow to standby
1239hrs: TL38 out at OFD HQ
1241hrs: E247 out at OFD HQ
1241hrs: Bat 11 reporting fire under control, checking for extension
1243hrs: 2461, L37 out at SHFD HQ
1245hrs: Bat 12 reporting Con Ed Gas on scene, requesting ETA on electric, 60 reports they are enroute from Yorktown
1254hrs: Bat 12 reporting IC requesting Briarcliff rescue-cascade (R37) to scene, set up in St. Ann’s School Parking lot
1300hrs: R37 awaiting crew
1302hrs: R37 responding
1304hrs: 2313 responding
1311hrs: 2312 out at OFD HQ
1359hrs: 74-05 reporting Briarcliff ambulance can go back in service
1400hrs: 53B1 back in service
1401hrs: 2081 reporting all Croton FD units back in service, FASTeam released
1424hrs: Bat 11 reporting Croton EMS ambulance can go back in service from scene
1427hrs: 55B1 back in serice, returning to croton
1428hrs: 74B1 back in service, 74-05 still on scene with 74A1
1429hrs: Bat 11 reporting Briarcliff R37 released from scene
1434hrs: 2052, R37 clear from scene. R37 going to St. 2 Millwood to fill up
1435hrs: Bat 11 requesting Red Cross, 1 family displaced
1436hrs: Bat 11 reports IC releasing SHFD & MFD units from standby
1437hrs: 2311, 2312, TL38 back in service
1440hrs: 2251, 2253, E247 back in service
1442hrs: Bat 11 back in service
1447hrs: 2311 reporting TL38 back in Sleepy Hollow, releasing tarrytown from standby
1447hrs: 2461, 2462, L37 back in service
1448hrs: E97 back in service
1449hrs: E98 back in service
1452hrs: TL42 back in service
1452hrs: 74-05, 74A1 back in service, all EMS units clear
1453hrs: E98 back in quarters
Please PM me if you have any info to add. Happy New Year!

It's like the old saying, you get what you pay for. If we(public services) start doing things for free because it's what's morally right, we won't be around very long. The people will fight and say, as was stated above, he didn't pay and still got protection, so im not going to pay. Our money will dry up faster than you can blink an eye.

Maybe the solution is to use stagging. If you approach the IC for an assignment (and he didnt request you), he should say: "go over to staging to check in". Now we find out who you are, what dept., etc. and we can assign you as needed...or not.
Its perfect, just like our staffing, response times, training, resource utilization and our mutual aid.

Thank you for being openminded enough to reconsider your original position after being presented with a differing opinion. Your manly ability to not take these things personally and to acknowedge that others have correctly pointed out a flaw in your original reasoning is admirable and unfortunately, all too rare in these parts.
These are life and death issues to those of us who have dedicated our lives to the Fire Service profession. A young man such as yourself with passion and an open mind will likely go far and be a credit to our vocation.
Please be careful who you listen to in regard to these matters and don't fall for the typical false accusations of volunteer bashing, which is not at all what this is all about.
It is bashing though of course. It is bashing of misleading information, misplaced priorities, and failed leaders.

Kid, just listen to the chief.
I appreciate that you like fire trucks. I like fire trucks too. I like getting paid to ride on them and I like looking at pictures of them on Emtbravo. I also appreciate that you're new. I was once new as well, in fact it wasn't that long ago. Someday, you might be sitting in a fire truck and look around the cab of the big fancy engine they bought you and see a 65 year old man driving and a 80 year old fire police in the back. Or you might be fortunate enough to get on a paid job and have one other guy with you or you might even be by yourself. And you will not care how many red trucks are coming but rather what the hell are you going to do with what you've got.

This is an interesting thread. IMO it really does a lot to demonstrate the mindset held by many members of the Fire Service in this region which is such a disservice to those we are sworn to protect and to our own fellow Firefighters....with the exception of helicoppers question regarding manpower (and he is a cop, not a Firefighter), and one other question and answer in regard to White Plains manpower, the whole thread so far is all about how many apparatus respond, with no mention of personnel.
Guys, Firefighters put out fires...Firefighters who are adequately trained and certified for interior firefighting and physically capable. A certain amount and type of apparatus, of course, is necessary, however, listing how many apparatus respond to structure fires is not only worthless in terms of assessing a department's capabilities, it is misleading.

I thought it was just a bunch of Truckies who are afraid of heights.

LOL. Do you really think if it was a MCI that radios wouldn't have been lighting up everywhere? Although I experienced a problem where I had to sit on a penetrating trauma because I couldn't get an ambulance...some things still hold true..hot jobs will get covered.

Right about now, Con Ed needs all the "goodwill" and community brownie points, after being hit hard from the past few storms.

It's the news....they post what people want to hear.

Right about now, Con Ed needs all the "goodwill" and community brownie points, after being hit hard from the past few storms.

I've known you for a long time..so with that said...you know I'm open and honest with communication so here it goes.
Hate to tell you..but you're the one that is dead wrong. You just called someone out that you have no idea who they are..which I do...and you couldn't have missed the boat more on that one my friend. I have to wonder..I pretty much say the same thing he just did all the time...so why not call me out?
Now moving along...I always like when cute little quips come out. First...professional providers bust their rear just as hard...which by the way if I remember correctly you work as a professional in the field. Second...by raising awareness of issues that many other won't for the lack of a better term "man up" to, he is being part of the solution by using facts and caring about service. The public and those of us who are forced to wait for ambulances don't give a damn (sorry but that's the word I feel needs to be used) that you or anyone else feels they are busing their rear to do the best you can. This isn't making a delivery or service call to get cable installed or fixed...this is public safety which their are standards that should be adhered to. Most of us are understanding that mutual aid at times will take place...but to me this should be 1% or less of total call volume. So yes...I often do have a problem with substandard inconsistent service. So know what? Is it too bad for me? Or too bad for the public when there are agencies who can find money in budgets and have billing opportunities to have a more consistent service? But what do I know...I'm a professional who when I wake up tomorrow I will be focused on nothing more then my profession and as part of the solution raising awareness of coverage issues..will be labelled anti volunteer, and apparently now unknowing of the hardships of those volunteers trying to cover calls with limited manpower.... Oh wait..be part of the solution right? Here's a solution...stop worrying about control, pride or whatever else holds up progress and hire staffing.

You seem to be taking this a little too personal. Let me clarify by saying that no one said the Mofire390 didn't do his part, if thats the truth that you go above and beyond, I applaude your efforts. I also feel for you if you are one of the few in your agency that actually do. Was my statement bold, yes, irrational or inaccurate, I don't think so. For your info as well, just because my current affiliation says "Career" doesn't mean I haven't spent time in the volunteer ranks, I spent several years as a volunteer. My feeling has always been that if we didn't have sufficient manpower to carry out our tasks, hire people to do the job. Like I said, there has to be a point where we put public service before our pride and make something happen.

On Sunday December 11th at approximately 11:16 PM Continental Village Fire Department and Peekskill Ambulance were dispatched to the Bear Mountain Bridge Road for a report of a motor vehicle accident with injuries. Upon arrival it was discovered that a BMW was traveling westbound on the road when it left the roadway and went over a 20 foot embankment coming to rest on its roof in a stream. Firefighters and EMS personnel removed the driver from the vehicle, strapped him into a stokes basket and carried him up the slope to an awaiting ambulance. The driver was transported to Westchester Medical Center with a State Trooper riding along in the Ambulance. Fire units remained on scene until around 1 AM when the vehicle was safely removed from the woods.

Right about now, Con Ed needs all the "goodwill" and community brownie points, after being hit hard from the past few storms.

Right about now, Con Ed needs all the "goodwill" and community brownie points, after being hit hard from the past few storms.