peterose313

Well, you can always call and ask. Why speculate when you can get the information straight from the horse's mouth?

Not really. Those of us who care about the info we post in I/A's will take our time and make it as informative as possible. Those who don't and just want to get it up and only put a brief description will get it up faster. The one thing I would suggest is to remove the district and or maybe the weather tabs in the the template. I don't see the need for it.

Sorry folks, but I have to make this statement. As being a long time member of EMTBravo. The somewhat "Cult Like" Inner-Sectums, Local Politicis, and what appears to be by many in the public as the "Good Old Boys' Club, among many many Paid, Combo and All Volunteer Fire Departments, not only in Westchester County, but throughout the county, makes many people sick to their stomachs.
One set of rules for one, another set of rules for others and god forbid if the two should cross. Then you get the "VERY UNPROFESSIONAL" jabs, pokes, barbs, and in some cases downright cruel bullying by many, some of which are either current long time Firefighting Professionals/Officers or retired Firefighting Professionals/Officers.
People would much rather read about and see a harmonious collaboroation between "Brothers" and others outside of the rank n' file, who love and respect the profession, rather than read about people accusing others of making false statements and/or assuming things that may be true or may not be true. These back n' forth cross jabbing on various posts here on EMTBravo.net, is starting to turn many many long time members away from this site.
We all, as members of EMTBravo, have a responsibility to everyone on this site to make it Educational, Informatiive and most importantly FUN !!! AND, "Check Your Egos At The Door"
Finally, as the late Jack Webb once said "Just the Facts, Just the Facts"

Going by the pictures, it was E119 blocking the road. Not the PD!!!
(before anyone loses their mind and takes me seriously this was a JOKE!)

Nice job at being critical of the police. You want us to be supportive of volunteers and a statement like that?

Agreed. No need to apologize. This thread, like so many others, went off on a little bit of a tangent. But because of the kind of response about the PD most members are reluctant (or under orders) to post details about strategies and tactics here because of the criticism. Instead of treating it like an opportunity to learn how someone else handled a serious job, it almost always devolves into antagonistic banter.

No need to appologize. I hindsight this should have been a topic for a separate thread and if anything you are the one owed an apology for having your topic detailed and I appologize for being part of it.

When I started this topic, I was looking to hear about the rescue. "The man's legs were stuck under 50 tons of truck, caught between the blah, blah, blah....and we did this and did that and sent for the surgical team,etc. etc. etc."
BUT,
Instead I got to read a pissing match between "adults" about whether the police handled the traffic duties correctly.
Sorry I asked a question and got everybody upset!

1. With the TSP northbound closed during this incident due to a serious MVA, that doesn't help things.
2. People should know alternate routes and/or how to use a map/GPS.
3. There's a plethora of those nifty message boards out there. In instances like this, coordination of agencies (PD, OEM, etc.) should get them out there to help assist people. It's 2013, there's no reason why we can't get these now and not keep everyone in the blind.
4. The main alternative route was through Crotonville, down Quaker Bridge Road out to Route 129. This road isn't the best for the trucks that were detoured and I am amazed none of them got into any accidents.
5. Can you all imagine what things will be like should we ever need to evacuate... that s*** ain't happening!

Yes, it is part of the job. Unfortunately the reality is that we are all still human and can get frustrated, too. I don't know if that's the case here but it contributes. As it does in other services where I've heard "screw 'em, let 'em wait in traffic" and "I can close the road so I'm gonna close the road F@(*$% 'em". But that's a discussion for another thread.
Traffic direction and control does not equal information booth and the traffic would be worse if every car stopped to ask for their own personal set of directions. Follow everyone else and you can probably figure it out. Almost everyone has a cell phone/smart phone/GPS/map and can obtain their own directions. Laziness and stupidity are not excuses. An unoccupied police car blocking the road probably indicated that the officer was needed elsewhere on the scene for something else. Not much you can do about that when you have limited resources available to you. Any officer sitting in his car may be writing a report or performing some other duties that you're not aware of.
I often ask questions and post comments in fire or EMS topics. That's very different than specifically bashing an agency here (which IS a violation of the forum rules by the way) for their conduct at a job. When I comment in a topic, I seldom tell people how to do their job whereas many here think that it is perfectly fine to do so about law enforcement. There IS an anti-law enforcement sentiment on this site and many have complained about it in the past.
I'm not dismissing any members "complaint". I made a comment equally obnoxious though not directed at any one agency. Mind you that I'm not the complaint department for any agency. If the member has a "complaint" there are official channels to lodge it and EMTBravo ain't it. Now, if you don't think that drivers education is virtually non-existent today and that people drive like morons (that is different than calling everyone a moron) I don't know where you drive.

Helicopper, to answer your question, no PD should not should the full blame. There is plenty of blame to go around on this one. Various news agencies reported that "9A was closed at Cedar" - usual spot for the famous "can't keep the shiny side up drivers". No news agency that I heard ever stated that route 9 north was also closed. The traffic was allowed to go through the route 134 intersection for hours and forced off at Cedar - again no issue, been done before except that Route 9 north was closed. In turn traffic then went south to make its way back north to 9A south to get to Rt 134 where they were met with hot tempers and traffic running the red light as they tried to navigate RT 134 toward the Taconic. Compound this with CBS 880 reporting the Taconic north closed at Underhill for a fatal MVA investigation causing more drivers that normal heading toward 9A north to opt for a detour as opposed to a closed highway. Put this together and you have a perfect storm so to speak. So did some proactive or reactive planning need to be done - yes. Remember, I said plenty to go around - we have blamed PD, DOT, and the news media, lets not leave the county without a piece of the pie. Remember CENS - the Community Emergency Notification System, that they wanted everyone to sign up for so they could communicate information to the general public. The system that comes alive and sends a message about every leap year. Use of such a system would have gotten timely accurate information to the public about roads that were open and closed and suggested detours. Remember with the Taconic closed just south of the Am-Vet Bridge and 9a and 9 both closed at the merge and traffic refusing to allow people to turn or merge left or right in some cases people were placed in what felt like a never ending loop. This could have become a public health or safety issue rapidly as buses were stuck with children on board, let alone in cars with parents and emergency vehicle would have been hampered responding through this gridlock.

Helicopper,
While I understand serving the public can be a little frustrating, isnt that part of the job? I was nowhere near the accident, do not know the area that well, but...
If roads are closed down, and it is the PD closing those roads or at the point where the road is closed to keep the public out, is it too much to expect them to be at least a little bit courteous or helpful? I doubt everyone who got caught in the traffic knew a back way around it or had GPS to help them.
I know you and many othe LEO's feel there is an anti cop bias here (maybe there is), but to dismiss the complaint of the member above as the public are morons and poor drivers is a little disingenuous. You are not shy about jumping in on fire topics, so here is my first jumping in to an LEO topic: If you are at a barricade of a closed road, at least be outside of your car and try to be helpful to the public. If at such time you feel the need to draw your revolver, ask for another car to relieve you.

Pelham Engine & New Rochelle L12 and MSU3 to the scene. NR E22 covering Sta #3

3 alarms now http://www.lohud.com/article/20130423/NEWS/304230115/3-alarm-Mount-Vernon-blaze-spreads-other-buildings?odyssey=mod|breaking|text|Frontpage
Update 00:23: White Plains ladder and other m/a being released. Mt. Vernon is going back in service.

I know a bunch of people who do it, it's a pretty brutal workout. It most definitely works but you have to stick with it.

Boston Police just tweeted suspect is in custody. Multiple sources confirming as well. Suspect is alive but in need of medical.
Boston Police Dept. ‏@Boston_Police Suspect in custody. Officers sweeping the area. Stand by for further info.



Cambridge Police ‏@CambridgePolice Proposing #HeroesInBlue to thank officers who worked for days to successfully capture suspect & for those injured/killed in line of duty

I have depended on "sfrd.." for much information regarding many depts. He is a buff and a volunteer firefighter. I don't think it is in his nature to try and impress you. He has a wealth of knowledge about many departments throughout the northeast. Is he right 100 % ? Maybe not. Maybe he wasn't right this time, But if I was a gambling man, I'd put my money on what he says. And at 22 years old, or there abouts, "I think he's a Credit to his generation".
I hope he isn't discouraged from posting on here because of some misunderstanding. I'm sure there's more than a few of us who sometimes have our stories or facts somewhat distorted on various occussions.
If I thought he was some cocky, know-it-all kid, I'd never posting here in his defense.

Today's/This Evening's Job 3rd Alarm Working House Fire in New Ro.

Here are some more pics of the same incident:

Not really but you have to remember fire apparatus age doesn't really go by "road miles". We are more concerned with "engine hours of operation". Since all apparatus have some sort of power take off from the engine to operate a ladder's components, a fire pump, or a generator, those engine hours can translate into road miles for the engine and transmission.
For example my old pumper at my vollie house, a 1981 American LaFrance Century 1250 pumper had only 9800 road miles on it when it went out of service in 2006 (25 years of operation). Its engine hours was up over 20,000 and the pump hours of running was about 18,000. So if you do some calculations, basically you have a truck that ran an equivilant of 20,000+ road miles just by figuring in the pump and engine hours. I know this is not the best explination but I hope it somewhat makes sense.

The Home Page, Portal, whatever you want to call the EMTBravo.com part of the site, is low on the priority list since the forums need to be working 100% internally right for that to work.
Font sizes are being adjusted and so is the look.

And that's exactly where we are with the issue now.....getting it to actually display on the threads.

Date: Tuesday, April 9th, 2013 - Squad 4 On Duty.
Time: 1528 Hours (3:28 P.M.)
Incident Type: House Fire
District: East End of N.R.
Location: 78 Lincoln Street
Units: NRFD Engines 21, 25, 24, 23 Tower Ladder 11 Ladder 12 Car 2302 30-Alpha-2
Frequency:
Weather Conditions: 77 Degress Clear Warm
Reporters: EFD1883
Description: Working Fire on the Top Floor of a 2 1/2 Story House.
1528 Hrs: NRFD Engines 21 25 24 Tower Ladder 11 Ladder 12 Car 2302 Dispatch to the Above Address for Smoke in the House.
1533 Hrs: E-21 On-Scene Nothing Showing Investigating.
1534 Hrs: Car 2302 Confirming and Transmitt the 10-75 Full Assignment Box.
1535 Hrs: E-22 L-13 Re-Locate Station # 1 Harrison Street.
1541 Hrs: Visible Fire K/D. Checking for Extension.

1552 Hrs: Negative Extension and Under Control Per Car 2302.

Well, as you may have noticed, EMTBravo has been down for over a week, while I was in the hospital for 10 days. Came home to this, and losing 10 years of work brought tears and did not help my recovery. But, after a week, here we are, still crossing my fingers.
The most recent backup we had was corrupt, so we had to back up, salvage this one, and will have to build on from here.
What I need from you is patience, and give us a chance to work out the kinks and bring the forum back, and please post,post,post any current events and IA's to kind of bring us back to today forward.
Stay tuned to this page for status.
Thanks!
Seth

Now - admit it - wouldn't you like to see a 2013 remake in a Suburban, same streets, same sidewalks?