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On 1/26/2017 at 7:56 AM, Morningjoe said:

First, your question could be raised RIGHT NOW about the 2nd alarm in Valhalla.  They skipped over a staffed tower ladder in White Plains and Fairview to call a tower ladder in West Harrison.

 

If you have such an issue that the county team that takes over 40 mins to get out and on location ... And we all know that 2001 responds by himself to check and verify (regardless of what the IC states or requests [EDIT: This JUST happened at the Valhalla fire...]) and then an unknown response of unknown number and unknown trained personnel respond... Wasn't utilized, call the Assistant Chief of the department and ask him himself.

 

Better yet, because you know exactly who he is, why not ask him face to face of why he made that call, rather than anonymously and blindly question every facet of his decision made yesterday. Figure out exactly why he did, then come back and with facts, explain it to us.

Since you brought up what happened in Valhalla I am going to put in my 2 cents. You mention why not call Fairview or White Plains. This happens constantly especially in districts which volunteer/career departments border each other. Why should Valhalla call Fairview? If Fairview had a fire would they call Valhalla even if it was 1 block outside of the Valhalla fire district? The answer is no. Rather, Valhalla stands by in Fairview headquarters (this is a fact). So, I don't blame Valhalla for having West Harrison being next up on their card.

It is very evident and happens constantly, another example being when Greenville had a fire that was 3 blocks out of the Ardsley fire district that went to a multiple alarm. Some of the departments that responded - Larchmont, White Plains, New Rochelle, Pelham. Not to mention, Eastchester and Pelham Manor stood by in Greenville headquarters. Need I say how ridiculous that is? I can name about 5-10 departments off the top of my head that are closer.

3 minutes ago, BIGRED1 said:

You can still be picked by another town or village. If NYC don't pick you, you have to wait till next test. Also those aren't "points", if you score a 90, you don;t go to 95 on the county list. You are most likely competing with other people in your town. your score is compared against them. Your not getting a advantage.

I understand what you're saying but yes you do have a better advantage if you live in a town that goes off their resident list. There are many people that get passed over even with a high score because very few departments in Westchester hire off the county list. I agree with you it shouldn't be that you get an extra 5 points, in my opinion there should be no 5 points for residency and there shouldn't be town residency lists.

3 hours ago, BIGRED1 said:

I was thinking the same thing. Why give extra points for living somewhere? I can see veteran credits, but just living in the biggest city around? come on.

How is it any different than most towns in Westchester hiring off resident list? 

Does anyone know when the next class might be? I deferred for the May class and have been waiting since then. I contacted my investigator and all of my paperwork is in line so I am just waiting. 

I heard a rumor that they are unable to get a Pierce due to weight and looked at E-One but same issue and are leaning towards Rosenbauer but this rumor is unconfirmed so anyone with more info that knows better please post.

Based upon the assignment of FDMV units at yesterdays' multiple alarm fire in the City of Mount Vernon, am I correct in reading that the FDMV is currently only running the following units as front line apparatus:

Engine 3

Engine 4

Engine 5

Engine 6

Ladder 1

Ladder 3

And that Rescue 1 is only manned by Engine 5/Ladder 3 staffing out of the Fulton Avenue Fire Station, on an "As Needed Basis" (which would put either Engine 5 or Ladder 3 out of service, should Rescue 1 be needed)?

And that Engine 2 and Ladder 2 are no longer part of the Front Line staffing (only manned by recalled personnel in the case of a major fire in the City of Mount Vernon.

If this is the case, for a city, whose infrastructure is as 'Old' as the City of Mount Vernon's is, and whose population is as large as it is, this is truly INSANE !!!

Yes and you are right it is insane.

Wow! Is it in service yet? Looks amazing! Does it only have the Q2B, or another siren?

It's in service as of 16:00 today

I got my packet. Anybody that went through the process that can give some advice?

Pound Ridge - 292

Dobbs Ferry - 362

Somers:

Fire calls - 542

EMS calls - 1,688

Yorktown - 602

Elmsford:

Fire calls - 642

EMS calls - 513

First, no hoseline because the Truck company arrived first and no Engine was on scene yet in the video. Secondly, as "M' Ave" pointed out they took a dash inside, save your air for when you need it. I don't have a issue with what they did (as far as masks) if they felt they were good to go in then so be it whats it matter to the rest of us? Personal choice.

I do agree that this tactic has it's place. With that said i am not a proponent of it. As FFPCogs and BBBMF stated, the scary part is that there are departments out there that are using this tactic at every fire they go to and are in fact not going interior and are standing outside shooting water through a window. You can not look at this as a one size fits all. IMO, you can push fire despite what is suggested with these studies. I also think that when we debate about this there are too many variables involved. Is the structure so involved that hitting it from the exterior for a few seconds necessary just to enter? Or are we talking about a one or two room fire and are hitting it from outside just because it is too hot that you don't want to enter or whatever the excuse may be? If its the latter, you should think about doing something else because being a fireman isn't for you.

In fact I believe FDNY does something similar regularly, using a deck gun immediately on arrival of storefront type fires

FDNY does not regularly do this. The FDNY prides itself on aggressive interior attack.

As far as the discussion goes, making conditions more tenable sounds great except, 75% of fire victims die from smoke inhalation. Flowing water through a window to make conditions more "tenable" for firefighters to enter won't save victims. Getting them out of the building will. Since when does a firefighter put the rescue of a civilian at the bottom of the list? The training of firefighters is about developing skills. Firefighters are taught to put out fires from the interior advancing through a structure a certain way. These are just the basics and the basics take time and is not something that is taught in 5 minutes. Firefighters who have battled fires from the inside learn from experience and repetition how to do it better and more effective which allows firefighters to have the skill levels to extinguish fires from inside. When a firefighter shoots a stream through a window all of the skill development is over. There is no skill level to that and only lowers our skills and is a fire service failure. Another example of fire service failure is that we still have firefighters who cannot operate a 2.5 inch line due to poor technique and education.

"A fire department that writes off civilians faster than an express line of 6 reasons or less is not progressive, it's dangerous, because it's run by fear. Fear does not save lives, it endangers them." -- Lt. Ray McCormack FDNY

http://www.firehouse.com/blog/10631380/transitional-attack-is-whack

List has been certified. Scores should be sent out Monday.

Anyone have a run down of what departments/ units responded to this?

Also do the combination departments in Westchester have a policy against calling volunteer departments for mutual aid? I'd imagine Arsdley would have gotten to this quicker with more manpower than Larchmont or Pelham.

Original assignment:

Greenville - Sq-15, L-4

Hartsdale - E-171

10-75:

Fairview - E-175

Yonkers - Sq-11, L-70, B-2

White Plains - TL-6

WCDES - Battalion 18

2nd Alarm:

White Plains - E-66

New Rochelle - L-12

Pelham - E-5

Scarsdale - L-28

Relocations:

White Plains - E-66 (redirected to scene on 2nd Alarm)

New Rochelle - L-12 (redirected to scene on 2nd Alarm)

Larchmont - E-34 (redirected to scene on 2nd Alarm)

Pelham Manor - TL-3

Eastchester - E-31

To answer your question, i will let the rundown speak for itself. And you are correct i say the same thing, there are many department's closer than Larchmont or Pelham.

Rescue is going to 8

I didn't get anything

Call DCAS if you passed the automated machine will tell you your list # and score

Got my list number…. list #7x

I still have not received my results, I am assuming the same with everyone else?