highwaybuff

Its a joke, and the way you all stand up for these incompetent people is also a joke. No one here can ever just agree when someone criticizes, it is always the person with the complaint who is wrong. This is the same apathy that many people deal with when dealing with municipal workers, always the reason when people ask me for help or a stupid question I take the time to answer it or help them get the information they want. This lazy POS was sitting in a chair in an office not doing 55 mph on a highway in a 4k pound missle.
I am so glad I don't have to work with many of you, cause you would have a miserable time.

This has to be one of the most asinine threads on Bravo in a long time. Way to hit rock bottom!

heyyyyyyyyyyy
I don't blame anybody for being lost in the area of the TMC. when you're southbound on the Taconic and approach the split, 2 different signs seem to indicate that you're getting on the bronx river parkway. There is a sign (very popular with vandals, thieves, spinning cars, and/or overzealous DOT lawnmowers) that is occasionally displayed in the first half mile or so indicating that you are still on the TSP after following the signs for the BRP. A further source of confusion occurs because the sprain brook and the Bronx river parkways eventually do interchange - in Yonkers.
The DOT has a history of misleading signs; a number of years ago they were written up in the paper for some crazy mileage quotes. Did you ever go east on route 35 from route 100 and try to follow the very large sign telling you that your second left turn takes you to 684 north? try taking that second left....
Now that I mentioned route 35 (in somers?) I recall an incident a few years ago where a 60 control dispatcher had a different name for that road that they are required to use.
I like 60-control dispatchers, for about the first 90 seconds of a telephone call. their required list of questions gets a little annoying.
I have a friend that worked at the TMC who is competent, able to communicate, and has good local knowledge.(possibly the only such person) I enjoy telling this person some of the funnier episodes from dealing with them, like when they were trying to tell me that a call was in my jurisdiction because their caller thought so ( I kept transferring it back to TMC, they kept trying to give it back)even though it was miles away. I suggested that they could try calling their state senator or assemblyman to explain their uh, joy. I also enjoyed having to tell a TMC dispatcher that a traffic circle is round.......
I was speculating once about what their personnel problem stemmed from, and it was confirmed to me that the following scenario is not too far off:
A welfare momma in ?Queens? comes across a job announcement for a state job. minimal qualifications, maybe a test? they apply and get the job.Great! One more taxpayer. They end up getting assigned to ?Manage Transportation?! at the TMC in hawthorne, despite having no local knowledge,no polce experience, no car, no driving experience or license, and they take trains and buses (which don't use the parkway system) to get to work.
I can also relate to the comments about mile markers, but I had a bad experience a few weeks ago.
I was driving west on route 119 leaving white plains and entering Greenburgh and got on the ramp from 119 to 287, west. A car in front of me suddenly veered into the curb as the front suspension of the car collapsed as one or more of those "arms" things broke -pittman, idler, rocker? The female operator then had one of her young children get out of the car to look at the front end.
Knowing that the "service by permit only" sign 200 yards back was going to make this a Thruway problem, I called TMC to get connected to nysp troop t. I reached a dispatcher for troop T who apparently did not know where the above location was, had never heard of white plains or greenburgh, refused to acknowledge that she might have access to a map, refused to dispatch anybody to help and refused to believe that there are no mile posts on the exit or entrance ramp. she refused to state where she was, which was a topic that came up when i pointed out that these were state highways in new york and I thought I had called a new york agency. you can only hand some people so much.....

Im not admitting I was wrong cause I wasn't. I am driving a car, reporting a dangerous situation, not sitting in an office. I am attempting to do something much more important for my own safety than someone else's. Sorry for my selfishness. The van was about a quarter mile south from the 9A entrance to the Taconic in the Southbound lane, how much more exact can I be? The road is three lanes wide and the mile marker is in the right lane. Had I called and spoke to a Trooper they would have said no problem as they would actually know where I was talking about. I guess all of you just assume you should get the bottom of the barrel and when you don't you should be pleasantly surprised. When you call an FDNY dispatcher and report anything they know what you are talking about, cause they know the area, streets, companies, pct's, probably even know the CON ED supervisor that covers the area. This person was useless. And please identify where it is you work that you have such superior dispatching. Half the time I listen to the radio locally the only good ones I hear are ones that do it in house, not out of some central unit with the exception of the Putnam County Sheriff.

Date: 01-28-12
Time: 20:15hrs.(Approx.)
Box: 1024
Area: Upper West Side
Location: 205 West End Ave.(Bing Maps)
Frequency: FDNY Manhattan
Weather Conditions: Cool and Clear
Description Of Incident: Companies o/s w/fire showing from the 17th floor of a 29-story 243x64 OMD. 10-77(High-Rise Fire) Assignment transmitted. All-Hands Working. 3 L/S/O's w/standpipe system charged. Ladder Companies opening up. Originally reported as smoke on the 17th floor. All searches negative w/no injuries reported.
Reporters/Writer: sfrd18
Units Operating: FDNY Manhattan; NYPD Manhattan North
Box Assignment:
Engine 40, Engine 74, Engine 23
Ladder 35, Ladder 25
Battalion 11
10-77(High-Rise Fire) Assignment:
Engine 54, Engine 47(High-Rise Nozzle), Engine 22(CFRD), Engine 39(High-Rise Unit/Vent Support)
Ladder 4, Ladder 16, Ladder 22(F.A.S.T.)
Battalion 9, Battalion 8, Battalion 10(Safety)
Division 3
Rescue 1
Squad 18
R.A.C. 1
High-Rise 2
Rescue Battalion
Safety Battalion
Field Comm. Unit 1

Kudos to the Bloomberg Administration for taking a stance to the Vulcans. At least he won't back down to them like others. Those Societies have single handidly destroyed what was once a prestigious Job. Oh that's right, they're nothing more then a Fraternal Organization, I forgot. "F" them and the horse they rode in on!

AFD does not stay in their own neighborhood, I have seen them all over the East Bronx, from top to bottom, in the South Bronx, and I have seen them up on the Hutch by the Westchester line, they just hop in their rig and ride around the Bronx, buffing jobs.
I heard from several people, that when AFD shut down after 9/11, it seems a couple of them banded together and formed the "Volunteer Bronx Fire Patrol". They would ride around and buff jobs in an privately registered SUV (not any volley rig, but a personal car)) that had flashing lights and cheap stickers marking it as the "Bronx Volunteer Fire Patrol". I encountered two of them at a vehicle accident, maybe five years ago or so- ( I am NYPD and was operating at the accident) and, never having heard of the "Bronx Fire Patrol" ( I am also a former member of the New York Fire Patrol,) so l wondered who they were. They got out of the rig, and without asking the NYPD or FDNY what was happening, they just started directing traffic. The did this without asking NYPD or FDNY, or even telling us so that we might coordinate efforts. I asked them a couple of simple questions, like "who are you guys-who sent you here? and I received no satifactory answer, other than ...."Uhh"..."who" "what"...."daba daba"... and related comments. I went over to a Battalion aide and asked if he knew who they were, he said he had seen them at jobs before, but did not know who they were. With that, it seemed that as soon as I turned my back, they hopped into their SUV and left the scene before I could ask any more questions.. I said to myself that the next time I saw them, I would make it so that they would receive many summones (or arrest) and impound the car. I was transferred shortly after that to another assignment that took me out of the area, I regret not taking the time out that day to go track down the SUV and put it on paper.

People are injured/killed intervening in law enforcement incidents all the time. However, and these are just a couple of examples, good samaritans saved countless lives when they retook control of Flight 93 on 9/11 and train riders subdued Colin Ferguson during his shooting rampage on the LIRR so there are examples.
These humans were trying to save other humans trapped in a burning building. They were not professionals nor were they probably aware of the hazards associated with their actions but they did try to do something when others routinely stand idly by. I won't be so quick to condemn them.

That certainly may be the case. But I personally won't vilify these bystanders for doing what they thought was right. They followed their instincts and a certain degree of human nature and attempted to help those in need, when no others could. I'm willing to bet that good Samaritans, over time, have done far, far more good than harm.

Date: 1/17/12
Time: 08:20 hours
Location: 368 Himrod St x Wyckoff Ave
Frequency: FDNY Brooklyn
Weather Conditions: cold, overcast
Description Of Incident: fire on the 2nd floor extended to the 3rd floor and cockloft of a 3-story row-frame
Reporters/Writer: ryang
Additional Info:
Bushwick, Brooklyn, NY, 1/17/12
Address: 368 Himrod St between Wyckoff and St Nicholas Aves
08:22 hours
Box 751
Engs. 271, 277, 218
TL124, L112
Battalion 37
08:22 hours
Battalion 28 available replacing Battalion 37

10-75-751 - 08:22 hours
L124: 10-75 the Box, 3 story frame, 1st floor
E291
L140 (FAST Truck)
Battalion 37
Division 11
Squad 252
Rescue 2
7-5-751 - 08:24 hours
E237, L176 S/C
RAC2
2-2-751 - 08:26 hours
Engs. 206, 222, 217
E207 w/ Satellite 6
TL135
Battalion 35 (Safety Officer)
Battalion 57 (Resource Unit Leader)
Safety, Rescue Battalions
Tactical Support 1
FieldCom 1, Command Tactical Unit
Car 7 (DAC James Leonard, Brooklyn Borough Commander)
08:26 hours
Receiving report of people on the rear fire escapes.
08:27 hours - Duration 7 minutes
Battalion 28: We have fire on the 2nd extended to the 3rd floor, 3 story row frame 20x40 multiple dwelling, occupied. 1 line stretched in operation, 2nd line being stretched, primary search being conducted, trucks are opening up, we have 2 10-45s at this moment. Exposure 1 is a street, exposure 2 is a similar attached, exposure 3 is a rear yard, exposure 4 is a 1-story commercial bodega-type building.
08:30 hours
The staging area is Bleecker St and Wyckoff Ave
08:32 hours
Car 17 (BC Michael F. Gala Jr., Chief of Personnel) is responding
08:46 hours - Duration 25 minutes
Division 11: Box 751, we have 3 lines stretched, 3 in operation, we have heavy fire on the 2nd and 3rd floors. 124 opening up from the bucket on the 3rd floor.
08:48 hours - Duration 27 minutes
FieldCom: Progress Report on Box 751, Division 11 reports 3 lines stretched and in operation, we have heavy fire still on the 2nd and 3rd floors and the cockloft. Members have been removed from the 3rd floor and the roof and they have a tower ladder operating on the 3rd floor. Fire is still Doubtful, k.
3-3-751 - 08:53 hours
Engs. 233, 214, 216, 286
L103 acting 112, TL111
Battalion 44
Battalion 51 (Staging Manager)
Battalion 33 (Air Recon Chief)
Mask Service Unit
08:57 hours
E286 was involved in an MVA and is unable to respond, E227 assigned.
09:01 hours
Car 23 (Press Officer) is responding
09:08 hours
L108, TL146 S/C
09:14 hours - Duration 54 minutes
FC: Progress Report on the 3rd Alarm Box 751, at this time Car 7, DAC Leonard reports: he has 5 lines stretched and in operation, searches are in progress, the main body of fire has been knocked down. The primary searches of exposure 2 are complete and negative, and the 2 previously reported 10-45s are both code 4 (Green Tag, Minor). He places the fire Probably Will Hold and would like to special call 1 additional Battalion Chief for relief.
Battalion 48 acting 35 S/C
09:20 hours
FC: At Box 751, Car 7 is going to close down the staging area. Any further units can respond directly to the Command Post.
09:28 hours - Duration 1 hour 7 minutes
FC: Box 751, can you special call 2 additional trucks. Also we have the exposures: exposure 1 is a street, exposure 2 is a similar attached, exposure 3 is a rear yard, exposure 4 is a 1-story attached
L102, T104 S/C
09:39 hours - Duration 1 hour 18 minutes
FC: Progress Report on the 3rd Alarm Box 751, at this time Car 7, DAC Leonard reports: he has 5 lines stretched, main body of fire has been knocked down, trucks are opening up and extinguishing pockets of fire, primaries in fire building are complete and negative. The unconscious male reported on the 1st floor is now accounted for. Secondary searches are delayed due to heavy debris. There was slight extension to exposure 4 which is 183 Wyckoff, that's been extinguished. Fire remains Probably Will Hold.
4-4-751 - 09:46 hours - Duration 1 hour 26 minutes
FC: At Box 751, by orders of Car 7, DAC Leonard, transmit a 4th Alarm for relief purposes. He would like the engines only, and places the fire Under Control.
Engs. 230, 299 acting 286, 229, 235
09:51 hours
FC: Car 7 would like to request Buildings Dept. to check the stability of the building, and make sure utilities are responding. Also transmit a 10-41 code 1 (Suspicious Fire, Occupied Structure) for heavy fire on arrival. Also notify incoming units that the rear fire escape has been compromised and is not to be used.
09:57 hours
FC: At Box 751, Car 7 reports that primary and secondary searches throughout the fire building are complete and negative.
10:10 hours
FC: At Box 751 we have an updated 10-45 count: it's going to be 3 10-45 code 4s and 1 10-45 code 3 (Yellow Tag, Delayed)
Relocations:
Engines: 33/211, 16/216, 220/222, 298/227, 255/233, 228/235, 332/277, 299/286
Ladders: 11/108, 131/111, 103/112, 151/112
Battalions: 48/35, 2/35

Date: 1/14/2012
Time: 13:56
Location: Box 8696 Queens 152-27 Rockaway Blvd
Frequency: 154.400, 154.430
Units Operating: multiple
Weather Conditions:
Description Of Incident: Heavy fire in commercial building
Reporters/Writer: Astrosaber

Date: 01-09-12
Time: 01:09hrs.
Box: 2576
Area: High Bridge
Location: 2 E. 167th St.(Bing Maps)
Frequency: FDNY Bronx
Weather Conditions: Cold
Description Of Incident: Heavy fire showing from the top floor and cockloft of a 6-story brick 100x70 Class 3 "H"-style commercial building w/OMD above. 2 L/S/O's w/Ladder Companies opening up. 2-2(2nd Alarm) transmitted above the 10-75(Working Fire), 7-5(All-Hands) by Division 6. All searches negative. Three firefighters transported to Lincoln Hospital w/minor injuries. No other injuries reported.
Reporters/Writer: sfrd18
Units Operating: FDNY Bronx; NYPD
Box Assignment:
Engine 92, Engine 68, Engine 50
Ladder 44, Ladder 49
Battalion 17
10-75(Working Fire) Assignment:
Engine 42
Ladder 55(F.A.S.T.)
Squad 41
Rescue 3
Battalion 26
Division 6
7-5(All-Hands) Assignment:
Engine 71(S/C)
Ladder 19(S/C)
2-2(2nd Alarm) Assignment:
Engine 93, Engine 46, Engine 43, Engine 72
Ladder 45
Battalion 13(Safety), Battalion 14(Resource Unit Leader)
Rescue Battalion
Safety Battalion
Satellite 2
Field Comm. 1
T.S.U. 1
Comm. Tac. Unit
01:09hrs. - Box 2576 transmitted. Numerous calls reporting fire on the 5th and 6th floors and victims trapped on the 4th floor.
01:12hrs. - 10-75(Working Fire) transmitted for Box 2576. Battalion 17 reporting fire building is a 6-story brick 100x70 Class 3 "H"-style commercial building w/OMD above: Exposure # 1 is the street; Exposure # 2 is a 1-story commercial taxpayer; Exposure # 3 is an alleyway and a 5-story OMD; Exposure # 4 is a street.
01:14hrs. - 7-5(All-Hands) transmitted for Box 2576 by Battalion 17. Battalion 17 requesting 1 & 1 S/C.
01:22hrs. - 2-2(2nd Alarm) transmitted for Box 2576 by Division 6.
01:25hrs. - Division 6 reporting 2 L/S/O's w/truck companies opening up. Heavy fire on the top floor, rear. Fire is D/W/H.
01:30hrs. - Division 6 reporting main body of fire is k/d. Searches underway. Fire is D/W/H.
01:46hrs. - Division 6 reporting fire is P/W/H.
01:56hrs. - Fire is u/c per Division 6.

That we should not get into this position bears repeating. Going into a dangerous situation without the resources to get the job done not professional. And depending on what kind of smoke it is, a little might kill you.
When working through an 'I'd risk my life if I had to...' scenario like this..... well of course we will all say, yes we'd risk our lives to save another person [preferably an adorable 3 year old and not a felonious, disease encrusted, drug dealer]. But on some level, allowing ourselves the luxury of considering our own heroism encourages the behavior.
Depending on how this scenario plays out, there are three dead people. Taking the approach that in the absence of adequate resources that the victim must be left behind may be useful in the long run. If we don't get to be the hero unless we are prepared, then maybe we will take the extra time to check the gear, switch out a low tank and to ask ourselves what will we do when this goes bad BEFORE we go into the building.
That said, if it's low probability of death and the victim is viable and just darling, then I'd take the chance. If the probability of none of us making it out is high, then the drug dealer is on his own until I can get a fresh tank of air. And then I'd find another line of work because making a mistake in an office is a whole lot different from making a mistake on the fireground.

Date: 12/19/11
Time: 09:05 hours
Location: Prospect Pl x Albany Ave
Frequency: FDNY Brooklyn
Weather Conditions: cold
Description Of Incident: fire on the top floor and cockloft of a 3 story brownstone, mayday transmitted. News reports confirms several FFs injured, at least one with serious burns.
Reporters/Writer: ryang
News Link: http://www.myfoxny.com/dpp/news/2-firefighters-inhured-in-brooklyn-blaze-20111219-APX
Additional Info:
Crown Heights, Brooklyn, NY, 12/19/11
Address: 1100 Prospect Pl @ Albany Ave
09:06 hours
Phone Box 920 - Report of fire in a multiple dwelling, possible people trapped.
Engs. 234, 214, 227
TL111, L132
Battalion 38
Rescue 2
10-75-920 - 09:09 hours
E235
L113 (FAST Truck)
Battalion 57
Division 15
Squad 252
7-5-920 - 09:13 hours
Battalion 38: Box 920, All-Hands, extra engine and truck, we have fire on the top floor of a 3 story 20x40 brownstone. Exposure 1 is a street, 2 is a similar attached, 3 is unknown, 4 is a similar attached.
E280, L176 S/C
RAC2
2-2-920 - 09:14 hours
BC38: 920, 2nd Alarm, we've got a MAYDAY.
Engs 217, 249, 222
E207 w/ Satellite 6
L174
TL120 (FAST Truck)
Battalion 37 (Safety Officer)
Battalion 41 (Resource Unit Leader)
Safety, Rescue Battalions
Tactical Support 2
FieldCom 1, Command Tactical Unit
Car 10 (DAC Kevin Butler, Bronx Borough Commander)

09:14 hours
BC38: Need EMS forthwith
09:17 hours
The staging area is Albany Ave and Bergen St
09:19 hours
EMS reports numerous units en-route
09:21 hours
Car 17 (BC Michael F. Gala Jr, Chief of Personnel) is responding

09:21 hours - Duration 16 minutes
Division 15: All members are accounted for, can I get a mixer off.
Note: Progress report relayed to Citywide that as per Division 15, there was fire in the cockloft with 2 lines stretched and in operation, all members were accounted for.
09:31 hours
By orders of Car 11D, Rescue Battalion is responding to the hospital, not the 2nd Alarm.
09:31 hours
Car 4G (DAC Edward Baggott, Deputy Assistant Chief of Operations) is responding

09:33 hours - Duration 28 minutes
L103, L102 S/C
09:43 hours - Duration 38 minutes
FieldCom: Progress Report on the 2nd Alarm at Box 920, at this time Division 15 reports: all visible fire has been extinguished, primary searches of the fire building and both exposure 2 and exposure 4 are complete and negative, secondaries are in progress, and the fire remains Doubtful. Also L113 is resuming the role of FAST truck, L120 has been put to work.
10:02 hours - Duration 57 minutes
FC: Progress Report on the 2nd Alarm at Box 920, at this time DAC Baggott, Car 4G reports: secondary searches in the fire building, exposure 2 and exposure 4 are complete and negative, and he's placing the fire at Probably Will Hold. Also can I get a mixer-off message.
10:06 hours
Car 14C (Fire Marshal) is responding
10:06 hours
FC: As per DAC Baggott, he would like a Battalion Chief on Staten Island to respond to the hospital where members are being transported, k.
Battalion 21 S/C to respond to the hospital
10:11 hours
FC: We have a correction on the address at 2nd Alarm Box 920, the address is 1100. 1102 is exposure 2.
10:16 hours - Duration 1 hour 11 minutes
FC: Progress Report #6 on the 2nd Alarm at Box 920, at this time DAC Baggott, Car 4G reports: he's placing the fire Under Control, k.
Relocations: E216/214, E236/222, E237/234, E205/235, L126/103, TL146/111, L156/113, TL107/120, L122/174

Reporting the operators of vehicles involved in serious accidents is not uncommon.
Noting the associations and/or relationships of those involved is also a common media tactic so we shouldn't be surprised that it was reported. Right, wrong, or indifferent that's how the media operates. Some would call it irony.
Finally, the accident was two days ago and is under investigation. Charges and/or fault has yet to be determined; summonses are rarely issued at the scene of such an accident and it is currently unknown if such action is appropriate.
After staff discussion, in light of the unusual nature of this incident and involved parties, this thread is being closed. It may be reopened at a future time if conditions warrant. Thank you for your understanding.

Date: 10/25/11
Time: 12:00 hours
Location: 430 East 8 st x Cortelyou Rd
Frequency: FDNY Brooklyn
Weather Conditions: fair
Description Of Incident: electrical fire at the panel in the basement. First due engine with a dead hydrant, companies initial unable to fight fire without power being cut. Fire extended to 2nd floor, PD requested due to residents denying FD entry into apartments.
Reporters/Writer: ryang
Additional Info:
Ditmas Park, Brooklyn, NY, 10/25/11
Address: 430 East 8 st between Ave C and Cortelyou Rd
12:01 hours
Phone Box 2485 - Report of fire in a multiple dwelling
Engs 281, 240, 250
T147, TL157
Battalion 48
10-75-2485 - 12:03 hours
E248
L148 (FAST Truck)
Battalion 41
Division 15
Squad 1
Rescue 2
12:04 hours
T147: Have the 2nd truck come in from Ave C, k
12:05 hours
E240: E281 transmitted a 10-70, bad hydrant.
E248 designated the "Water Resouce Co."

12:05 hours
T147: If it's not too late have TL157 come in off Cortelyou Rd please
12:06 hours
T147: Can you have ConEd respond to this Box, k
7-5-2485 - 12:08 hours
Battalion 48: Box 2485, using All-Hands. We have wires burning in the basement, your address 480 East 8 st, can we get a priority response from Con Edison, I'll get back to you with the particulars, k.
RAC2
12:10 hours - Duration 9 minutes
BC48: All-Hands Box 2485, size-up is as follows: we have 1 handline stretched and in operation, 2nd line being stretched. We have a fire in the basement of a 7 story occupied 100x100 multiple dwelling, your address 480 East 8 st, trucks are opening up, primary searches on the fire floor and the floor above in progress. Exposures as follows: 1 is a street, 2 is a detached 3-story private dwelling, 3 is unknown, 4 is a 2-story detached private dwelling. Status of this fire is Doubtful, k
12:14 hours
ConEd reports a crew en-route
12:16 hours
BC48: Start out a Purple-K Unit to 2485
E228 w/ Purple-K 228 S/C
2-2-2485 - 12:18 hours
Engs 255, 282, 247, 220
E284 w/ Satellite 3
L113, TL172
Battalion 40 (Safety Officer)
Battalion 33 (Resource Unit Leader)
Safety, Rescue Battalions
Tactical Support 2
FieldCom 1, Command Tactical Unit
Car 7 (DAC James Leonard, Brooklyn Borough Commander)
12:21 hours
E284/Satellite 3 are delayed due to BISP
12:24 hours
The staging area is Coney Island Ave between Cortelyou Rd and Ditmas Ave
12:26 hours - Duration 25 minutes
Division 15: Box 2485 at this time we've got 1 line stretched as a precautionary to the basement. We're using dry chem on the electical panel, it's having no effect, we need Con Ed on a priority, and primary searches are in progress, k.
12:29 hours
BC48: I know Con Edison is on the way, see if you can get them on a rush, we have serious arcing in the basement, we will not be able to extinguish the fire until power is cut to the building.
12:32 hours
BC48: Can you have PD respond to Box 2485 due to occupants refusing us entry into the upper floor apartments, k
12:33 hours
DC15: Can you get an ETA for ConEd on Box 2485, we cannot knock down the fire at the electrcial panel until they shut off power in the street.
12:33 hours
ConEd advises a 10 minute ETA
12:37 hours
DC15: For Box 2485, the Chief requests a special call for another Battalion Chief to come in.
Battalion 38 S/C
12:41 hours - Duration 41 minutes
DC15: Box 2485, at this time we have 2 lines stretched, 1 in operation, all visible fire has been knocked down, primaries are in progress at this time.
12:44 hours
The Citywide Foam Manager is responding
12:59 hours - Duration 59 minutes
FC: Progress report for your 2nd alarm Box 2485, at the address 430 East 8 st off Cortelyou Rd, fire in a 7 story occupied multiple dwelling 100x100. Chief Leonard, Car 7, reports we have 3 lines stretched, we have partial power shut down to the building - still have power on the 1st floor. Stil awaiting ConEd. We had fire extended up to the 2nd floor, apartment 205 which has been extinguished. The primary searches of the entire 5 line on all 7 story have been conducted, primaries are negative, still Doubtful Will Hold.
13:00 hours
FC: Be advised ConEd has arrived on the scene.
13:13 hours - Duration 1 hour 12 minutes
FC: Progress report for your 2nd alarm Box 2485, at the address 430 East 8 st off Cortelyou Rd, fire in a 7 story occupied multiple dwelling 100x100. Chief Leonard, Car 7, reports secondary searches on floors 1, 2 and 3 are complete and negative, secondary searches on all other floors are in progress, and places the fire Probably Will Hold.
13:20 hours - Duration 1 hour 20 minutes
FC: Progress report #7 and final progress report for your 2nd alarm Box 2485, at the address 430 East 8 st off Cortelyou Rd, fire in a 7 story occupied multiple dwelling 100x100. Chief Leonard, Car 7, reports at this time ConEd is in the process of shutting down power to the building, secondary searhces are still in progress, place the fire Under Control.
13:22 hours
L168 S/C for relief
Relocations: E283/220, E10/247, E233/248, E55/281, E14/282, BC43/41, BC31/48

elye...im going to have to respectfully disagree and go with Vinny on this one.
The County Coordinator assists with mutual-aid. NFD definatley had command and had several chiefs on scene.

If "cmd" stands for Command, I don't think so. We can't hear what the county radio traffic is, so I don't know how long before Car 1 gave his update. The fire isn't under control in Newburgh, until Newburgh command, not the county, declare the fire under control.

I would like to sell my entire set-up as a whole, but will take offers on individual pieces of equipment. All items are less then 3 years old, and were only used for my high school homecoming, high school events, and side DJ jobs (average of 4-6 a year).
(1) AudioPro Q2422 Mixer
(2) Gemini GSM 15-80 speakers
(1) TechnicalPro LX1000 Amplifier
(1) All necessary cables and wires
(1) Gemini CD System
(2) Fog Machines
(1) American DJ Dura Truss System
(1) Tool Box with necessary rigging equipment for Lights
(2) MBT Dynamo Scanner Club Lights
(1) ADJ Strobe
(1) PC Strobe
(2) ADJ Quick Scans
(2) MBT Soldier Scanner Lights
(4) Storage and Travel bins
(1) Pre-wired and Harnessed DJ station
(2) T-Bar Light Stands
Price for Entire Set-Up: $2,400 or best offer.
Please message me on EMTBravo and I will get back to you within 24hrs.

I don't (ever) post because I often feel like I have nothing to add. I have no experience other than as family. My grandfather was FDNY. My brothers were volunteers in Dutchess County.
But I want to take this opportunity to say thank you to each and every one of you. As a family member, I understand the sacrifices you make, the training you make time for and the time you are away from your families, friends and other activities so you can serve your community in the most amazing way I can think of.
I salute your bravery, your commitment and your expertise. Our communities are better places because you live, work and volunteer here.
Consider this a long distance hug from a very grateful community member.
-Heather

I had a few gripes here -- which were PM'd and e-mailed to a few folks (none of which replied to me...)
First, as the original poster, I was never notified the post was removed, but it simply "disappeared". No notification to the originator, at least a professional curtsey.
Secondly, I felt the thread (minus the "me vs you" comments) was very educational for the members of this community. While it is a black eye for our industry, what better opportunity to learn from.
Third, we see tons of threads in this community that are "locked" and "cooled down" -- yet, for some reason, this one was straight out removed.
Fourth, it's been quite a few days since the thread was removed and this is the first public acknowledgement that it was done -- nothing was done at the time, just simply vanished in thin air.
It's no doubt the EMTBravo staff have a huge job on their hands -- but we're not kids here, treat us like adults and we'll treat you back.

Many of the Teutul's business dealings appear less than legitimate. Case in point the bankruptcy of Orange County Ironworks in 2005.
After being sued by a contractor for breach of contract (and the courts siding with the contractor in the tune of a judgement for $1.3 million) the business filed Chapter 7 bankruptcy protection. The problem was that prior to filing, all of the company's assets (equipment, employees, other assets) were transferred to "Orange County Ironworks LLC" for less than fair compensation and Orange County Ironworks ceased operations.
Once the former company filed bankruptcy and the bankruptcy courts ordered all assets liquidated, they claimed their only assets were "accounts receivable" (owed money that was non collectable)in the amount of just under $600,000. As an end result there was a settlement proposed that the new Orange County Ironworks LLC pay a $500,000 settlement to the trustee of the bankruptcy case to distribute to creditors. Part of the settlement included a gag order barring the any of the key players from discussing the settlement.
One interesting point of this whole debacle is that while Paul Senior and Junior are listed as defendants in the settlement. It was only Danny and the business ordered to pay the settlement.
More recently OCC, American Chopper and Discovery Channel was sued by Justin Barnes and "JB Graphix" for copyright infringement. Justin alleges that 18 original designs were copied without his authorization and compensation and then incorporated in merchandise tied into the business of OCC and American Chopper. Former employee Cody Connelly also sued Senior and OCC.
All of these known legal issues makes you wonder what else is going on. After all Nub's Graphics also had problems with Senior as played out in the first season of Senior vs. Junior. Another former employee Vinnie DiMartino had a fallout with Senior but never went on record in discussing the circumstances.
Fast forward to today with the foreclosure issues and the attempts of "G&M Orange LLC", with Senior listed as owner, to build a bike business on an adjacent property to OCC. This was the building that was proposed to have a restaurant. While the new building didn't formally get turned down from being built, back in March Senior approached the Orange County Industrial Development Agency to provide tax breaks for the project. This is what was turned down. Because of the foreclosure the agency could not in good conscience provide tax breaks for the new venture.

Date: 8/27/11
Time: 07:05 hours
Location: 95 Lombardy St x Van
Frequency: FDNY Brooklyn
Weather Conditions: overcast
Description Of Incident: fire in a large vacant commercial, companies initially unable to locate fire.
Reporters/Writer: ryang
Additional info:
Greenpoint, Brooklyn, NY, 8/27/11
Address: 95 Lombardy St between Vandervoort and Porter Aves
07:06 hours
Phone Box 171 - Report of fire in a vacant building
Engs 229, 206, 238
TL146, T106
Battalion 35
10-75-171 - 07:10 hours
E237
L108 (FAST Truck)
Battalion 45
Division 11
Squad 252
Rescue 2
7-5-171 - 07:15 hours - Duration 10 minutes
Battalion 35: At Box 171 we're goign to be using All-Hands for a fire on the 1st floor of a 2 story class 3, address is 95 Lombardy St. The exposures are as follows: 1 is street, 2 is a street, 3 is a 2-story class 3, 4 is a street. We have 1 line stretched, trying to locate the fire. Building will be 200x50.
RAC2
07:22 hours
Command Tactical Unit is responding
07:23 hours - Duration 19 minutes
BC35: At Box 171 we have 2 lines stretched, 2 in operation, primary searches are in progress, the status of the fire is Doubtful, request an extra engine, extra truck.
E216, L128 S/C
2-2-171 - 07:26 hours
BC35: At Box 171, we still have 2 lines stretched, 2 lines in operation, fire's Doubtful, request the 2nd Alarm.
Engs. 259, 221, 271
E207 w/ Satellite 6
T104
Battalion 28 (Safety Officer)
Battalion 37 (Resource Unit Leader)
Tactical Support 2
Fieldcom 1Car 7 (DAC James Leonard, Brooklyn Borough Commander)

07:30 hours
Rescue Battalion available assigned
07:31 hours
The staging area is Kingsland Ave and Lombardy St
07:36 hours - Duration 32 minutes
Division 11: Box 171, 2 lines stretched and 2 in operation, we had a fire in the installation in the roof, primary searches are negative on the 1st and 2nd floor, we're going to go Probably Will Hold on this.
07:38 hours
DC11: You can return all 2nd Alarm units.
07:42 hours
Car 7 is 10-8, Division 11 is Incident Commander
07:47 hours - Duration 43 minutes
DC11: Box 171, primaries and secondaries are complete on the 1st floor. 2nd floor secondaries are being delayed, and the fire is now Under Control.

Date: 8/19/11
Time: 12:55 hours
Location: Moultrie St x Messerole Ave
Frequency: FDNY Brooklyn
Weather Conditions: warm
Description Of Incident: fire through the roof of a factory
Reporters/Writer: ryang
Additional info:
Greenpoint, Brooklyn, NY, 8/19/11
Address: 43 Moultrie St between Messerole and Norman Aves
12:54 hours
Phone Box 85 - Report of fire in a warehouse
Engs 238, 229, 221
T106, TL146
Battalion 35
10-75-85 - 12:57 hours
E206
T104 (FAST Truck)
Battalion 28
Division 11
Rescue 4
Squad 252
CIDS for 37 Maltry St
Factory 2 story 20x75 class 3. 4 buildings, shared sprinkler. south of location inside front of building - reach-through office includes 37 and 43.
12:59 hours
Units advised that propane may be present in the building
HazMat 1, HazMat Battalion S/C
7-5-85 - 12:59 hours
E237, L108 S/C
RAC2
13:00 hours
Battalion 35: I'll get back to you with the particulars, we're using All-Hands, we have fire through the roof at this time.
18:01 hours
E216 available replacing E237
2-2-85 - 13:00 hours
Battalion 35: 2nd Alarm, we've got fire in the cockloft, size-up as per the CIDS, k.
Engs. 237, 211, 230
E207 w/ Satellite 6
L102
Rescue, Safety Battalions
Battalion 37 (Safety Officer)
Battalion 31 (Resource Unit Leader)
Tactical Support 2
FieldCom 1, Command Tactical Unit
Car 7 (DAC James Leonard, Brooklyn Borough Commander)
13:03 hours
BC35: Have a tower ladder come in the opposite way and set up behind TL146.
TL111 S/C
13:03 hours
The staging area is Humbolt St and Nassau Ave
13:05 hours - Duration 12 minutes
BC35: We're using All-Hands, we have fire through the roof of a factory, size-up as per CIDS, companies are stretching a line, attempting to get to the fire. Trucks are opening up. We have a membrane roof, all members are off the roof, k.
13:06 hours
Car 17 (Chief of Personnel Michael F. Gala Jr) is responding
13:07 hours
E207 is delayed returning to quarters for the Satellite.
13:09 hours - Duration 16 minutes
BC35: Notify TL111 to come in off of Norman Ave, k.
13:10 hours - Duration 18 minutes
BC35: This will be number 43 Moultrie St. 1 story factory 25x50. We have 3 lines stretched, 1 in operation, the fire on the roof has been extinguished. We're going to go with Doubtful at this time
13:13 hours - Duration 20 minutes
Battalion 28: Box 85, main body of fire is knocked down. Trucks are opening up, searches are in progress and the fire is Doubtful. As of now there is no extension to any other building, k.
13:25 hours - Duration 32 minutes
FieldCom: Progress Report for your 2nd Alarm Box 85, the address 43 Moultrie St, fire in a 2 story factory 20x75, at this time car 7, DAC Leonard reports: he has 3 lines stretched and in operation, we have fire in the cockloft and in the roof area, primary searches are complete and negative and the fire is still Doubtful.
13:32 hours - Duration 39 minutes
FC: Progress Report #6 on 2nd alarm Box 85, the address 43 Moultrie St between Messerloe Ave and Norman Ave, fire in a 2 story factory 20x75, at this time car 7, DAC Leonard reports: the main body of fire has been knocked down, secondary searches throughout the fire building are complete and negative, and the fire is Probably Will Hold.
13:40 hours - Duration 47 minutes
FC: Progress Report #6 on 2nd alarm Box 85, the address 43 Moultrie St between Messerloe Ave and Norman Ave, fire in a 2 story factory 20x75, at this time car 7, DAC Leonard reports: the primary and secondary searches in exposure 2 and 4 are complete and negative. Car 7 is in the process, Division 11 will be Incident Commander, and the fire remains Probably Will Hold.
Exposures are:
1 - street
2 - 3 story 75x100
3 - rear yard
4 - similar attached
13:46 hours
TL124 S/C
13:49 hours
FC: The chief requests the Health Dept. to respond for 43 Moultrie St, there's food stored in the rear of the fire building. At this time we don't have a name for the establishment but he'd like them started out. Also make sure gas and electric utilities are responding.
14:08 hours
FC: Box 85, the chief would like to transmit a 10-41 code 1 (suspicious fire, occupied structure), undetermined cause, k.
14:12 hours - Duration 1 hour 19 minutes
FC: 2nd Alarm Box 85, Division 11 requests an extra engine and truck for relief purposes and places this fire Under Control, k.
E218, L116 S/C
Relocations: E240/207, E235/230, E210/238, TL15/146, BC7/28

Date: 8/17/11
Time: 09:30 hours
Location: 52 rd x 58 st
Frequency: FDNY Queens
Weather Conditions: fair
Description Of Incident: sanitation truck hanging out the 3rd-floor after crashing through the wall of a garage with trapped occupant
Reporters/Writer: ryang
Links: http://www.wpix.com/news/wpix-salt-truck-building-pg,0,7028603.photogallery http://www.myfoxny.com/dpp/news/truck-slams-through-wall-of-garage-in-queens-20110817-KC
Additional info:
Maspeth, Queens, NY, 8/17/11
Address: 52-35 58 st @ 52 rd
09:30 hours
Phone Box 7278 - Report of a truck hanging out the window of a sanitation garage
Squad 288, E325
TL163
Battalion 45
Box after initial 7278 - Box filled out
E259
L140
Rescue 4
09:36 hours
E259: We do have a dump truck hanging out at a dangerous position, have the Rescue Battalion respond please
Rescue Battalion is N/A
09:36 hours
Rescue 4: Start out a 2nd rescue
Rescue 3 w/ Collapse Rescue 3 S/C
10-60-7278 - 09:37 hours
Battalion 45: Transmit a 10-60, we have an occupant in the truck.
Engs 292, 291, 287, 206, 263
E262 w/ IMT Unit
E233 w/ Mobile Command Center 1
E324 w/ Satelite 4
L136, TL115
L116 w/ Collapse Rescue 4
TL117, TL146 (SOC Support Truck)
L154 (FAST Truck)
Battalions 46, 35, 6, HazMat
Battalion 28 (Safety Officer)
Battalion 49 (Resource Unit Leader)
Battalion 43 (Air Recon Chief)
Divisions 14, 13
Squad 252, Squad 1 w/ TRV 1
SOC Compressor, SOC Logistics
Tactical Support 1
FieldCom 1, Command Tactical Unit
RAC4
Car 4D (DAC Joseph Pfeifer, Deputy Assistant Chief of Operations - Counterterrorism/Preparedness)

09:41 hours
Safety Battalion available assigned
09:43 hours
BC45: The occupant has been removed via the bucket of TL163 and the Squad is in the process of further securing the vehicle at this time.
09:44 hours
Car 11A (BC Stephen J. Geraghty, Chief of Rescue Operations) is responding
09:45 hours
Battalion 45: We need 2 cranes, whether they be via ConEd or Sanitation, we need 2 cranes to respond to the scene.
09:47 hours
BC45: The cranes that we're requesting need to be able to hold a weight of between 15 and 30,000 lbs. It's a 4 story building so 75 footers will work.
09:47 hours
Rescue Battalion available assigned
09:49 hours - Duration 21 minutes
BC45: We have 1000x2000, are the dimensions of the building, 4 story. Exposure 4 is where the incident is. We're requesting a grip hoist from Rescue 3 and we need Buildings Dept. to respond as well.
09:52 hours
Rescue Battalion: Notify OEM to respond as well, k.
09:53: hours - Duration 24 minutes
BC45: We received confirmation from Sanitation that this vehicle is empty, the approximate weight is 15000 lbs.
10:00 hours
Car 1D (Commissioner's Liaison) is responding
10:06 hours
FieldCom: Progress report on the 10-60 Box 7278, at the address 58-65 52 rd, we had a sanitation truck crash through the wall of the sanitation garage on approximately the 3rd floor of a 4 story 1000x2000. At this time Division 14 reports that the single occupant of that sanitation truck has been removed. We have 3 sanitation vehicles on the ground which are directly under the incident truck. We are unable to search those vehicles at this time; we have been told those 3 vehicles are not occupied. Searches within the sanitation building are complete and negative. Units are currently in a holding position awaiting the arrival of those cranes, situation is Doubtful.
10:09 hours
Battalion 43 - Air Recon is airborne with a 5-10 minute ETA.
10:13 hours- Duration 43 minutes
FC: As per Car 4D, AC Pfeifer, Air-Recon can go 10-8.
10:34 hours
OEM reports they have 2-3 reps on scene
10:35 hours - Duration 1 hour 6 minutes
FC: At this time TL115 is replacing L154 as the FAST Truck. Progress report for your 10-60 Box 7278, for the corrected address of 52-35 58 st, we have a sanitation truck crashed through the 3rd floor side wall of a 4 story 1000x2000 brick sanitation warehouse. At this time, Car 4D, AC Pfeifer, reports: we are in the process of releasing units at the scene, an interagency meeting has been conducted, a collapse zone has been established, still awaiting the arrival of the cranes. 3 lines have been stretched precautionary: 1 precautionary in the street, 1 precautionary to the 3rd floor in the vicinity of the incident, and 1 to the standpipe. This Incident is Doubtful Will Hold.
10:37 hours - Duration 1 hour 8 minutes
FC: Additional info, the vehicle involved came through the 52 rd side of the building.
11:00 hours
OEM reports cranes are en-route
11:21 hours - Duration 1 hour 51 minutes
FC: Progress report for your 10-60 Box 7278, at the address 52-35 58 st, for a sanitation vehicle that crashed through the wall of a 4 story 2500x1000 sanitation garage, the vehicle came through the wall of the garage. At this time Car 4D, AC Pfeifer reports: continuing to operate with the units on scene. Continuing to seacrh the 3rd floor and the 2nd floor. We're inspecting all utilities in the area. All personal are being evacuated from the building in the vicinity of the incident. The next interagency meeting will be at 11:30 hours and this incident is still Doubtful Will Hold, still awaiting the arrival of the cranes.
12:03 hours - Duration 2 hours 35 minutes
Mobile Command Center 1: Progress report for your 10-60 Box 7278, at the address 52-35 58 st between 58 ln and 59 st, we had a sanitation vehicle crashed through the 3rd floor wall of a 2500x1000 sanitation garage 4 story with a 3 story setback. At this time Car 4D, AC Pfeifer reports: continuing to operate with thes same units. 2nd interoperability meeting has been conducted and all likely scenarios discussed. A crane representative is on scene and is acessing what equipment will be needed. Primary searches on all 3 floors of the building in the area of the incident are negative, and the incident remains Doubtful Will Hold.
12:39 hours - Duration 3 hours 11 minutes
MCC1: Progress report for your 10-60 Box 7278, at the address 52-35 58 st, at this time Car 4D, AC Pfeifer reports: we had sanitation vehicle drive through the wall of the 3rd story of a 4 story sanitation garage 2500x1000. Conditions at this time remain unchanged. Bay Crane has arrived with their crane. Units are in the process of clearing the street to set up this crane. Incident is Doubtful Will Hold.
[END OF REPORT]
Relocations:
Engines: 228/259, 298/287, 331/291, 210/324, 65/325
Ladders: 17/117, 3/128, 43/136, 110/154, 101/163
Battalions: 53/46, 26/49