LayTheLine

As it reads, the tested position is for a trainee who will then be enrolled in the EMT program. After the EMT program they will be the 'trainee' name will be changed to EMT. The position title technically will 'lead to' becoming an EMT.

I'm confused after reading the posting. Is this position title going to lead to something higher than EMT but less than Paramedic? Once all training and probationary time is complete will they become EMT's or have the title EMT Medical Specialist. I'm not familiar with NY State EMT levels.

Cool article I found yesterday on the Malone family, whom have extensive involvement in the Elmsford and Fairview Fire community.
 
 
FULL ARTICLE:
http://www.nytimes.com/1985/01/06/nyregion/at-fires-the-whole-family-responds.html

Congrats! Very nice tribute over the air!
 
 
 

 
 

 
http://www.nydailynews.com/new-york/fdny-city-agree-add-firefighter-firehouses-article-1.2962056

Should've never been taken away in the first place.    

They train you to be an EMT.
 
EMERGENCY MEDICAL SPECIALIST TRAINEE
Exam  No.  7014
 
http://www.nyc.gov/html/dcas/downloads/pdf/noes/201707014000.pdf

I found the unofficial rundown. They struck alarms quickly:
04:00 2nd Alarm on Arrival
04:05 3rd Alarm
04:26 4th Alarm
 
09:13 Under Control
 
1st:
E312, 309, 310, 306
L75, 72, 71 (Fast)
B2, 1
R1
Squad 11
MSU
Car 6 (fire invest)
 
2nd:
E308, 307
L70
 
3rd:
E314
L73
Car 3 (Asst Chief)
 
4th:
E303, 304, 313
L74
 
Relocations:
New Rochelle E22, L12 to Yonkers Sta 12
Greenville E150 to Yonkers Sta 11
 
***The news report said all on-duty members responded and the math works out. However, I assume Yonkers had some type of callback to cover reserve apparatus for coverage. If not, they only had 2 & 1 covering the city which is highly unlikely***

FDVA2573 - I see you're with Montrose VA Fire Dept. Can you please give me a rundown on your department. Apparatus, manning per shift, stations, etc. I've heard of you but never got the rundown on your department. Thanks in advance, LayTheLine

FDVA2573 - I see you're with Montrose VA Fire Dept. Can you please give me a rundown on your department. Apparatus, manning per shift, stations, etc. I've heard of you but never got the rundown on your department. Thanks in advance, LayTheLine

FDVA2573 - I see you're with Montrose VA Fire Dept. Can you please give me a rundown on your department. Apparatus, manning per shift, stations, etc. I've heard of you but never got the rundown on your department. Thanks in advance, LayTheLine

I found the unofficial rundown. They struck alarms quickly:
04:00 2nd Alarm on Arrival
04:05 3rd Alarm
04:26 4th Alarm
 
09:13 Under Control
 
1st:
E312, 309, 310, 306
L75, 72, 71 (Fast)
B2, 1
R1
Squad 11
MSU
Car 6 (fire invest)
 
2nd:
E308, 307
L70
 
3rd:
E314
L73
Car 3 (Asst Chief)
 
4th:
E303, 304, 313
L74
 
Relocations:
New Rochelle E22, L12 to Yonkers Sta 12
Greenville E150 to Yonkers Sta 11
 
***The news report said all on-duty members responded and the math works out. However, I assume Yonkers had some type of callback to cover reserve apparatus for coverage. If not, they only had 2 & 1 covering the city which is highly unlikely***

I found the unofficial rundown. They struck alarms quickly:
04:00 2nd Alarm on Arrival
04:05 3rd Alarm
04:26 4th Alarm
 
09:13 Under Control
 
1st:
E312, 309, 310, 306
L75, 72, 71 (Fast)
B2, 1
R1
Squad 11
MSU
Car 6 (fire invest)
 
2nd:
E308, 307
L70
 
3rd:
E314
L73
Car 3 (Asst Chief)
 
4th:
E303, 304, 313
L74
 
Relocations:
New Rochelle E22, L12 to Yonkers Sta 12
Greenville E150 to Yonkers Sta 11
 
***The news report said all on-duty members responded and the math works out. However, I assume Yonkers had some type of callback to cover reserve apparatus for coverage. If not, they only had 2 & 1 covering the city which is highly unlikely***

Anyone has a rundown on this? I would think Yonkers could fill a 4th alarm staff with their on-duty crew, but that would strip the city (as the quote says).  But any rundown on the coverage units?

Anyone has a rundown on this? I would think Yonkers could fill a 4th alarm staff with their on-duty crew, but that would strip the city (as the quote says).  But any rundown on the coverage units?

Date: 01/21/2017
Time: 19:32
Location: 15 Deepwood Dr
District: Long Ridge
Channel: Ground 4, Tac 3 (Water Supply)
Weather: 47 degrees & foggy
Units: Long Ridge: E71, E74, K78, R77, 714 (Lt), 715 (Lt), FM710 (C&O), C711 (Chief)
          Turn of River: K68       
          Stamford: E9, E8, E5 (Tanker Fill), E7 (RIT), T2, R1, U4 (Deputy Chief/IC), U1 (Chief), U2 (Asst. Chief), U11 (Asst. Chief), U121 (Mechanic), U8 (Safety), FM101 (C&O)
          Belltown: E41 (Special Called)
          Banksville: K7, 2581 (Water Supply)
          Pound Ridge: K3, 2402
          SEMS: M1
          SPD: 4A29, 4C10, 8S3 (Sergeant)
Writer:  AFS1970

Description: Neighbor reported house fire. Long Ridge Lt. arrived on scene and confirmed working fire. Tanker from TRFD en route shortly thereafter. Additional Tanker from Banksville called also. 1 Firefighter fell through a floor. All crews pulled out of building. Additional engine special called for relief. 
*** Stamford uses K as unit designation for tankers. For consistency I also used it for Banksville & Pound Ridge despite Westchester not using that designation. ***

Any idea of the rundown? Did Yonkers handle it themselves or were tech rescue pieces in from Westchester or FDNY?

BFD389RET - What exactly is your point? I couldn't follow your thought process at all - you're all over the place. ????

BFD389RET - What exactly is your point? I couldn't follow your thought process at all - you're all over the place. ????

Great guy, great video.
 

This is a difficult situation that doesn't seem to have a clear-cut answer. Obviously the best answer would be to hire 24 additional firefighters to make-up the six 4-man engine companies. But apparently that can't be afforded. I do not know the financial situation of Greenwich, but if Greenwich can't staff 4-man engine companies, I'm surprised any similar size town/city can staff 3-man companies!! It is one of the richest towns in the country. Be that as it may, here are some points to consider:
 
1) The town is approximately 50 square miles with a population of 63,000 plus people.
 
2) How many volunteers are active, and how many are on the scene of a fire within 2 to 3 minutes of the first due engine? I would think you'd need an 90% rate of at least one certified volunteer showing up within 2 to 3 minutes of the engine on "reported structure fires."  It's not perfect, but it's something that should be tracked. Automatic Fire Alarms shouldn't be counted in this number, as many, many departments across the country send 2 or 3 firefighters to check on an AFA in a residential structure and maybe a second engine and a ladder for a high-life occupancy. Still, that's only 8 to 10 firefighters showing up for what is 95% of the time a false alarm, minor cooking incident, or an oil burner back-fire. Of course any 2nd source reporting anything like smoke or even an odor should be upgraded to a structural response.  With that being said, what do the numbers show? If a 4th certified volunteer shows up only 33% of the time within 2 to 3 minutes then you've got a problem. Bottom Line: Nothing can be perfect and the word reasonable should fit into the equation. In other words, you could have two houses struck by lightning just 3 blocks away, but you don't staff two 4-man engines in each station to cover that.
 
3) As for the current situation, I agree that six 3-man engine companies make more sense than having 2 and 4 man engines. I would think this would be easier to set-up SOP's for the department. Otherwise you could have different sets of procedures to train on - if a 2-man company shows up and fire is showing then A,B,C. If a 4-man engine shows up and fire is showing then D,E,F.  Consistency is the key and the less confusing the better. I wonder if the GFD training department has to train on two sets of fire attack depending on the manning? In addition, a 3 man crew can get a lot set up waiting for the 4th firefighter to arrive or the 2nd due engine to arrive. Stretching the line to the door, doing a 360 of the building, throwing a ladder for a secondary means of escape, ordering additional equipment, forcing the lock, darken down the fire from the outside to "reset" it (see SLICERS fire attack on You Tube). A lot can be done in those first 2 to 4 minutes.
 
4) If it is determined that a 4th firefighter (rather volunteer or the 2nd due engine) doesn't show up within 5 minutes more than 50% of the time, then a 4th person could be added to all 6 engines by hiring a total of 16 firefighters. How? The 16 additional would be spread out among the 4 groups (4 per group). This would cover 4 of the engines. Then take the 2 firefighters off the ladder to cover the other 2 engines; in essence, leaving the ladder company with a driver only. You would end up with 4 firefighters in 5 of the 6 manned stations and the new Headquarters (when finished) would have 6 on-duty (4 on Engine 1, 1 on Tower 1, the shift deputy).  What about the ladder? The ladder isn't going to be on the scene the majority of the time within the first 8 to 10 minutes town-wide, considering it covers everywhere. Send 4 engines and the ladder to reported structure fires. First engine is rescue/fire attack, second engine is water supply/back-up line, third engine is assigned to the ladder company (you now have a 5-man ladder company with an officer!) and the 4th engine would stand-by a block away and await for assignment by the shift commander.
 
Now, I will admit that none of my proposals are perfect, but I will restate there has to be some point of "reasonableness" and agreement when trying to come up with a solution. Accurate data must be gathered and then a proper plan could be put into effect, with the Training Department being able to teach and spread the program with the same information, town-wide.  Total minimum shift staffing would go from 22 to 26. I hope that wouldn't break the bank and the increase in better service would be unmeasurable.

This is a difficult situation that doesn't seem to have a clear-cut answer. Obviously the best answer would be to hire 24 additional firefighters to make-up the six 4-man engine companies. But apparently that can't be afforded. I do not know the financial situation of Greenwich, but if Greenwich can't staff 4-man engine companies, I'm surprised any similar size town/city can staff 3-man companies!! It is one of the richest towns in the country. Be that as it may, here are some points to consider:
 
1) The town is approximately 50 square miles with a population of 63,000 plus people.
 
2) How many volunteers are active, and how many are on the scene of a fire within 2 to 3 minutes of the first due engine? I would think you'd need an 90% rate of at least one certified volunteer showing up within 2 to 3 minutes of the engine on "reported structure fires."  It's not perfect, but it's something that should be tracked. Automatic Fire Alarms shouldn't be counted in this number, as many, many departments across the country send 2 or 3 firefighters to check on an AFA in a residential structure and maybe a second engine and a ladder for a high-life occupancy. Still, that's only 8 to 10 firefighters showing up for what is 95% of the time a false alarm, minor cooking incident, or an oil burner back-fire. Of course any 2nd source reporting anything like smoke or even an odor should be upgraded to a structural response.  With that being said, what do the numbers show? If a 4th certified volunteer shows up only 33% of the time within 2 to 3 minutes then you've got a problem. Bottom Line: Nothing can be perfect and the word reasonable should fit into the equation. In other words, you could have two houses struck by lightning just 3 blocks away, but you don't staff two 4-man engines in each station to cover that.
 
3) As for the current situation, I agree that six 3-man engine companies make more sense than having 2 and 4 man engines. I would think this would be easier to set-up SOP's for the department. Otherwise you could have different sets of procedures to train on - if a 2-man company shows up and fire is showing then A,B,C. If a 4-man engine shows up and fire is showing then D,E,F.  Consistency is the key and the less confusing the better. I wonder if the GFD training department has to train on two sets of fire attack depending on the manning? In addition, a 3 man crew can get a lot set up waiting for the 4th firefighter to arrive or the 2nd due engine to arrive. Stretching the line to the door, doing a 360 of the building, throwing a ladder for a secondary means of escape, ordering additional equipment, forcing the lock, darken down the fire from the outside to "reset" it (see SLICERS fire attack on You Tube). A lot can be done in those first 2 to 4 minutes.
 
4) If it is determined that a 4th firefighter (rather volunteer or the 2nd due engine) doesn't show up within 5 minutes more than 50% of the time, then a 4th person could be added to all 6 engines by hiring a total of 16 firefighters. How? The 16 additional would be spread out among the 4 groups (4 per group). This would cover 4 of the engines. Then take the 2 firefighters off the ladder to cover the other 2 engines; in essence, leaving the ladder company with a driver only. You would end up with 4 firefighters in 5 of the 6 manned stations and the new Headquarters (when finished) would have 6 on-duty (4 on Engine 1, 1 on Tower 1, the shift deputy).  What about the ladder? The ladder isn't going to be on the scene the majority of the time within the first 8 to 10 minutes town-wide, considering it covers everywhere. Send 4 engines and the ladder to reported structure fires. First engine is rescue/fire attack, second engine is water supply/back-up line, third engine is assigned to the ladder company (you now have a 5-man ladder company with an officer!) and the 4th engine would stand-by a block away and await for assignment by the shift commander.
 
Now, I will admit that none of my proposals are perfect, but I will restate there has to be some point of "reasonableness" and agreement when trying to come up with a solution. Accurate data must be gathered and then a proper plan could be put into effect, with the Training Department being able to teach and spread the program with the same information, town-wide.  Total minimum shift staffing would go from 22 to 26. I hope that wouldn't break the bank and the increase in better service would be unmeasurable.

From the Greenwich Professional Firefighters Facebook page:

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http://www.greenwichtime.com/local/article/Debate-rages-over-Greenwich-Fire-Department-change-10801700.php?cmpid=fb-tablet