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Looks like Newburgh's old Truck2

PCFD ENG58's back yard is my second guess.

Im not that smart when it comes to ID'ing trucks like that, but the thing to the right is a John Deere Model 330N Front End Loader...

Okay, first off it is not a city service truck, you can see the stabilizer piston on the left side running board. With that style only going down and not out, it has to be around a 1930s model year. Also you can see a piston right behind the driver's position thus giving a hint that this was a straight framed aerial ladder truck, or some sort of crane type vehicle. I can't tell if the rear wheels are "tillered" as many straight framed aerial ladders of that era were made this way. I would suspect that this was a wooden aerial ladder truck or early metal aerial ladder.
The rig's body and chassis looks similar to Toronto's ALF Type 233 Service Truck but for some reason I don't think its an ALF. Seagrave never built a complete rig like this with the engine out before the front wheels but I do believe it could be a Autocar or early FWD chassis.
Angelo, is this all original or did this get a "rehab" at some point? The round front fenders are throwing me off.

Haven't had time to reply back but thank you and everyone else for the info on the relay pumping. I asked the question because no where did I see in the posts was there any indication that a relay pumping operation was set up and I commented on relay operations for those who don't know. I must have missed it in the thread and IA, it happens. But is seems like a lot of other issues being discussed were trumping that. Rural water supply is a hard thing, trust me I know, 90% of our M/A where I work has to do with drafting and trucking in water. Not at anytime was I trying to quarter back anything, I didn't know, that is why I asked, there are no stupid questions.
Also with the discussion of residential sprinklers, there are a lot of facts both on the construction side and the ownership side that are against it. Also another problem would be the water source in a rural setting if it can supply the proper GPM. Also there are a lot of other questions including the fact that water damage to a house can cost more than fire damage, at least the way some insurance adjusters / agencies look at it. It can be a double-edged sword for home-owners. In this day and age, many people don't want to pay for the added cost of maintenance, up keep and monthly / quarterly testing of sprinkler systems, check valves and pumps.
REMEMBER, SPRINKLERS ARE NOT MADE TO PUT OUT FIRES! THEY ARE MADE TO KEEP FIRES IN CHECK!

I guess you're right its agency specific because Danbury Ambulance doesn't require it neither does ASM/Aetna still waiting to hear what the story is with AMR but I doubt they need one because I know someone who lives in the bronx and works per diem at the new haven location is any case thanks for the heads up

I can't believe no members of the Aviation Bronx Fire Patrol have come here to defend themselves and their so called department. You know they're members here.
So guys, what's the deal? Are you and FD or JB (just buffs)?

Like I said..same page brother. Couldn't agree with you more.

To clarify in return; I completely agree with your post as well. I was in no way looking to belittle FF1 or FF2 ect. I took them and a great deal more of the State Curriculum. Well designed and much comprehensive than Essentials was. I used FF1 as an example because all I've read with regard to Aviation's training is, "I've seen them in FF1 before". That's a spot on beginning to fire training, but I wouldn't call a department full of FF1 certificate holders adequate. Really though, from the sound of things, that group would probably have a difficult time showing even that amount of training. I've seen these guys at incidents closing streets and directing traffic near me and I'm no where near the Clason Point area. Any time a guy from this job goes to confront them, they hop in their SUV and drive off. I haven't worked in Soundview or Castle Hill recently, but I'm sure I will and I'll have to inquire about them with the units that are 1st due in that area.

Couldn't agree with your post more. Just to clarify, I for one am not saying that FF 1 is remotely adequate. All I'm saying is, that at the minimum level it complies with OSHA's fire brigade standard. From what I understand it does not meet the haz mat requirement by hours. Do I feel it has enough content...yes...in fact it gives more than what many states follow for their awareness level they give. I doubt they can even provide proof of that.

Anyone who thinks that there is no problem with this department operating needs only to look at the photo page on here.
Their "fire engine" is older than I am, and carries NO HOSE other than a booster reel. Would you want that showing up on your scene?
I think NYPD Highway would have a field day with those rigs.

John Pache v. Aviation Vol. Fire Company

So, the Apellate Division ruled that there was an implied contract between the municipality/FDNY and Aviation. It would seem to me that implied contract would still apply unless the FDNY Commisioner takes some action to cancel it (not simply say they are improperly trained) or gets the court to supercede the previous decision of the AD case...

nycemt728..I dont think it would still apply. The company disbanded and was no longer an orginazation. As far as seeing any of their credentials, they refuse to work with any office in the 3rd batt. or the 6th division to show their charter or any paper work showing they are ligit.

I would venture to say the same as you brother. Its as simple as having to show that you are meeting at least the minimum standard to start. If you want to be resistant..hey whatever flips your boat..but for every action there's an opposite and equal reaction. Bottom line is there are others who will make sure you are not putting yourself nor others at risk.

JJB531 pretty much sums it up. My point was the municipality is the final authority on the provision of emergency services within their borders to if the City says thank you but we're not interested, they are not going to be part of the city response and will not have the implied contract that protected them in the past.
The "chief" of Aviation says that he will only respond to an order from the Mayor or the OFPC. My point is that the Fire Commissioner is an agent of the Mayor and his order probably carries the same amount of weight legally. After all, city health inspectors, code enforcement officers, fire and PD officials close down unsafe or illegal facilities all the time on the City's behalf.
OFPC is not the AHJ over an FD so the reliance on them to intervene is probably misplaced too.
If the FDNY Commissioner notifies the Aviation FD or whatever its called this week that it's services are no longer required, they probably will have a hard time proving a contract in the future.

Hold on....lets get a few things straight here. "Joe Samaritan" doesn't get to go start his own fire company because he wants to do good. It doesn't work that way. The City of New York is protected by the FDNY from fire and emergencies. The FDNY is also charged with enforcing fire and building codes. Additionally, FDNY and it's personnel have the ability to enforce and issue summons for a slew of other infractions. Every FDNY apparatus has multiple summons books. Sounds like we're a long way away from "...it's not the FDNY's job to enforce anything".
Aviation VFC is a band of freelancing buffs. They're not needed and they're not helping anyone. One of the FDNY's greatest assets is staffing, assignment of standardized riding positions and response matrix, all of which give us the ability to work efficiently and safely at any fire. We as firemen know what our specific task is and chief officers know who's supposed to be where. It's a highly coordinated effort and the last thing that anyone needs is a rig no one expected taking a hydrant, blocking out trucks and stretching a line that could end up opposite ours. I don't care what their intentions are, their behavior is wrong and they're going to get someone hurt.
As for training, all I've heard is talk of FF1 or Essentials, ect. Those courses do little more than scratch the surface, they're not a bench mark. An FDNY Proby receives about 1,000 hours of intense training before graduating and being assigned to a field unit. After that, he will respond, on average, to anywhere from 600 - 1,500 alarms a year while on duty. Please, tell me how Aviation is going to achieve training on that level.
The Fire Commissioner of NYC has called for them to cease operations. He's the final say on all things fire in New York City, who are they to thumb their nose at that? If they are found to be operating in some claimed official capacity it should be handled in a legal manner.

The 1980 XFDNY Amercain Lafrance From the closed down Aviation [2009?] was giving to the Catskill Fire Cats. We have it in the warehouse and show it at events. it was reparied after the 9/11 event and was left outside after that. the 2001[new] Luverne that was donaited by a wall street company was sold to Beech Island South Carolina for profit and the E-ONE[used] that was donated to Aviation by Franconia VFD in Va was also sold for profit to Brindlee Fire Appartus witch sold it to Banid IL Fire Dept. All of this was post 9/11 and they took advantage of a lot of good people and companys that wanted to help New York City and there people. What a disgrace !

You have to pick up the book "Boston's Fire trail". It is actually the same trail for the most part as the Freedom Trail. pretty much all of Boston's infamous fires occurred along the route.

The name FASNY is being improperly tossed around like it's some kind of sanctioning body or clearing house, that membership equals approval to operate at incidents. This they're not. FASNY is an organization that was formed to advocate for the betterment of the volunteer fire service and it's members.
FASNY and FDNY really have nothing to do with each other on any level, and it's not because of any kind of animosity, it's because FDNY members are represented by their own professional firefighter union affiliations.
Avaition and it's members may or may not belong to FASNY, and either way, if they're not sanctioned, contracted or authorized to respond within the jurisdiction of the city, they have no choice but to stay out of the way.

Because Warden is a word older than you!!!
I had too! Sorry Ang!!! Hahahaha!
The only time I have heard the term Fire Warden used was pre-organized fire protection, basically they were the fire marshals during the colonial era enforcing fire protection rules and for forest fire coordination.

http://lmgtfy.com/?q=westchester+county+emergency+frequencies

http://www.radioreference.com/apps/db/?ctid=1884
Has all the info

Time: 10:50
Location: 2 Mill St
Units Operating:
Cornwall
Vails Gate
Woodbury
Salisbury Mills
Monroe
Washingtonville
Orange Lake
Cornwall on Hudson
Highland Falls
Cronomer Valley
Good-Will
Middle Hope
Winona Lake
West Point
Chester
New Windsor
Town of Newburgh
City of Newburgh
south blooming grove
Coldenham
MECHANICSTOWN
tuxedo
add'l m/a where req
maybrook
middle hope
goshen
WARWICK
tankers from COLDENHAM CHESTER WOODBURY ORANGE LAKE WALDEN
Weather Conditions: Sunny 18 fair
Description Of Incident: Working fire in an old mill factory bulding
11:05 Car 1 o/s rpts working structure fire req m/a to work
11:07 Cmd req fast team t/s
11:10 cmd req 2nd alarm FIRE IN A OLD MILL FACTORY
11:15 cmd req 3 addl engins to work
11:17 cmd req addl fast team t/s
11:20 cmd req 3rd alarm m/a to go on cover
11:40 cmd rpts still hvy fire 3 T/L in op
11:50 cmd req all ff to fight the fire from out side no roof op deffnsive ops only
11:56 cmd req 1 engine t/s from stby
cmd req fire invs to the scene
12:07 cmd rpts units working inside
12:20 cmd req central hudson utilities to the scene
12:29 cmd req addl m/a to go for cover
cmd rpts units oper for 100 minutes still very hvy fire exterior attack only
12:40 cmd req central hudson gas to shut the gas to the area
co/s having water problems
cmd req 4th alarm still very hvy fire
12:56 Newburgh car 4 hvy fire n/s of building
co/s seting up draft site
13:00 cmd rpts CO'S SETING UP FOR PARTIAL BLDG COLLAPSE STILL VERY HVY FIRE
cmd req DIESEL FUEL TRUCK to stageing area for fire trucks
cmd rpts 50 unmarked 55 gal drums and fire is mving quickly north
13:46 cmd rpts power was cut the bldg and the area
14:10 cmd rpts cmd post is in the front of the bldg
14:30 cmd rpts still hvy fire throughout the complex mult T/L in ops still fighting the fire deffnsive
cmd req all stby dept to go to the scene 5th alarm fire now
m/a fron rockland ny on stby at HIGHLAND FALLS fire house
15:26 cmd req engine was on fuel brake to come back co/s loosing water
15:30 cmd req dry gear to the scene
16:26 Salisbury Mills car 1 req all available manpower to respond the fire house for relief crews at the fire scene
16:40 ems eval 1 firefighter for a ankle inj
ems trans ff to cornwall er
as of 17:00 HVY FIRE REMAINS 5 T/L in ops
17:30 cmd req all fire chief to assemble at orange county sheriff trailer on scene
17:50 cmd req m/a from tuxedo and MECHANICSTOWN to go for cov
going to a 6th alarm
as of 20:00 still hvy fire 8 T/L in ops 8 hand lines in use still dwh
1/16/2012
air guard foam truck
fire is now a 7th alarm fire
8:15 cmd req 2 add'l engines to go on cover, engine from goshen and middle hope,
9:00 cmd rpts HYDRANTS ARE FROZEN UP going to tankers
9:05 cmd req 5 tankers to the scene
9:50 cmd req 1 engine from middle hope for the fill site on rte 32
10:52 cmd req engine from WARWICK and Winona Lake to go on cover at cornwall fire house

http://www.recordonline.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20120115/NEWS/120119831
http://www.midhudsonnews.com/News/2012/January/15/Cornwall_fire-15Jan12.htm
http://www.news12.com/articleDetail.jsp?articleId=304128&position=1&news_type=news
http://www.nbcnewyork.com/news/local/Cornwall-Mill-Fire-Hudson-River-Orange-County-Blaze-137382463.html
http://abclocal.go.com/wabc/story?section=news/local/northern_suburbs&id=8506038
http://hudsonvalley.ynn.com/content/top_stories/570282/crews-battling-large-fire-at-industrial-complex-in-cornwall/

Must have been made of the leftover metal from the Chinese nuclear plant!!!