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The county's Rescue Team has a division of water rescue tech's and are willing to go anywhere... One of the nice features of the County team is that it is made up of many different members from departments around Westchester ( fire and EMS ). So like last year in Ossining, 4 minutes after the team was dispatched 2 members of the team were on the scene and assisted Ossining in starting the rescue...
Yes it would be great to have certain departments organized special teams, but the cost, manpower needs and time requirements adds on members... In my eyes the County's Team is a step in the right direction.

Coming soon to DPW workers everywhere, helmets and safety belts... I hope he pulls out of this, my wishes to him and his family...

Coming soon to DPW workers everywhere, helmets and safety belts... I hope he pulls out of this, my wishes to him and his family...

Personally, I don't think anyone should ride for free. Even though my father has been a detective down there for 30 + years, it's not right that they keep raising it for the public, but let them ride for free. I'd say let them on for a reduced price, or make their own card that FDNY or NYPD has to pay for monthly or yearly. Even though its a train, it's still public transportation, and can't find that without a fee, and i think that should go for all.
Speaking of trains, bridges also let PD and FD go through the tolls for free. Now, I could see why if there is a jumper or a emergency in the middle of the bridge( that goes for trains too, if theres a stabbing or a fire on the train, then it'd be fair), but to go someplace you really don't need to go to, or do, theres a fee, and it should be paid for all who use it, no matter who you are.
Just my opinion.

how much money do you have ? ...

While I see where you are coming from, I think its a little shallow to use these examples on such a grand scale. Sure every department has its "issues" but the majority in the system do not have the ones stated above. A couple of members here have some quotes in their signatures I find very true, "Over prepare, then go with the flow" and "When the time to perform arrives, the time to prepare has passed" unfortunately in today's world we have to be ready for whatever, I'm not saying in a paranoid way expect the big one its coming! But preparing never hurts.
- Just My .02

From my visits to the Fire training center, it seems to work for the time being. WCFTC has many great fire instructors who are able to use what they have, in addition to their own personal experience and knowledge to train new and old firefighters how to get the job done. All the vehicles are housed inside the buildings and granted it may be a little tight, that really does not matter. 60 control does an excellent job receiving and dispatching runs and the instructors are producing.
We're in a tight economy and we don't need to start planning projects which there is no money to allocate towards. You left, why do you care so much...Come back and help fix it if it's really bothering you.

I think it would be more of a home owner then a town or FD to install. I have wondered many times why these million dollar homes in the NO HYDRANT districts, do not have them near the main house... or even a development with poor water supply using them... but if I was the chief, I would not be going to my town with the request to install some...

Date: 1/3/2012
Time: 1332hrs
Location: 81 Twin Lakes Road (X North lake circle)
Frequency: 46.26, Fire 13, EMS 13, Fire 16, FG4, Ops 1, 154.920 (NYSP), 151.53500 (LVAC), 154.22000 (SVFD)
Units Operating on Scene: [south Salem FD: 2451 (IC), 2453, 2455, E167, E168, T2, R21, U79], [Goldens Bridge FD: 2142, E140, T1], [Croton Falls FD: 2071, 2073, T8, U28], [Vista FD: 2561, E142, T4], [Ridgefield FD: Car 3, T12, R7], [Pound Ridge FD: 2041 (Safety), 2403 (Water Officer), E113, E112, T3], [bedford Hills FD: 2031, TL57 (FASTeam)] , [Lewisboro VAC: 67B1], [Westchester EMS: 45M3 (EMS Command)], [somers FD: U88 (Rehab)], [WCDES: Bat 13, 1405 (C&O)], NYSP, NYSEG
Units on Standby at South Salem HQ: [Katonah FD: 2212, E116], [Ridgefield FD: T12]
Units on Standby at Vista HQ: [New Canaan FD: E1]
Units on Standby at Goldens Bridge HQ: [somers FD: 2444, E180]
Weather Conditions: Cold, Clear
Description Of Incident: Working fire in Non-hydrant area, 6 L/S/O, 2 Story Front, 4 Story Rear, 100x40, Heavy fire in rear
Reporters: peterose313, BigBuff
Writer: firedude
LoHud Article
Lohud Scene Pictures by Frank Becerra Jr
Lewisboro Ledger Article
The Daily Lewisboro Article
News 12 Article and Video
1332hrs: South Salem dispatched to reported structure fire
1332hrs: TMC dispatching 2 cars to scene
1333hrs: 2451, 2453, 2455 responding
1338hrs: T2, E167, R21 responding
1338hrs: 60 Control reporting PD on scene with fire through roof
1339hrs: 2451 requesting 1st alarm
1340hrs: 2451 2452, 2455 on scene with 2 story wood frame, fire through roof
1341hrs: 1st alarm dispatched (Goldens Bridge 1 engine, 1 tanker, Croton Falls 1 tanker, Bedford Hills FAST, Bat 13)
1342hrs: 2071, 2073, E168 responding
1343hrs: Vista requested for manpower and water source
1343hrs: 2142, 2143 responding
1344hrs: Lewisboro VAC and 45M3 dispatched
1344hrs: E140 responding
1344hrs: Pound Ridge FD to standby at SSFD HQ
1345hrs: 2031 responding
1345hrs: Bat 13 on scene
1346hrs: T8 responding
1346hrs: 2451 updating 3000sq ft., 60x30, 2 story front, 4 story rear, FG 4 in use
1347hrs: U79 responding
1347hrs: E142 responding as a water source
1347hrs: Bat 13 requesting 2 additional tankers to scene
1348hrs: Pound Ridge tanker, Vista tanker dispatched
1348hrs: TL57 responding
1349hrs: Bat 13 requesting C and O to scene
1349hrs: T3 responding shortly
1349hrs: C and O zone 5 dispatched
1351hrs: 45M3 on scene
1352hrs: Bat 13 reports Ops 1 for tanker ops, 2141 to be water officer
1352hrs: 2141 on scene, unable to be water director, driving tanker
1352hrs: 2403 responding
1352hrs: T3, T4 responding
1352hrs: U79 on scene
1353hrs: Bat 13 reports heavy fire on 2nd floor, Ridgefield tanker responding
1354hrs: Bat 14 dispatched
1354hrs: 2142 on scene, to become water officer
1354hrs: 2033 on scene
1355hrs: NYSG requested by IC
1355hrs: Bat 13 reporting 2 L/S/O, heave fire per IC
1356hrs: E113 relocating to SSFD HQ
1357hrs: Bat 13 going outside operations
1357hrs: Bat 13 updated with 6 tankers (T1, T2, T3, T4, T8, Ridgefield T12), E142 to be source engine
1358hrs: 2043 requesting location of TL57, reporting them to back it up, will be going to work
1359hrs: Bat 13 requesting E142 to go directly to scene, making interior attack
1400hrs: 2031 on scene
1400hrs: 60 advises bat 13 they are 1 tanker short of 2nd alarm, Bat 13 reports finding a water source
1401hrs: E140 on scene
1401hrs: NYSEG with 25min ETA
1402hrs: Bat 13 requesting Lewisboro for rehab, Ridgefield rescue with additional manpower responding
1404hrs: E142, T1 on scene
1405hrs: T4 on scene
1405hrs: New Canaan 1 engine to standby at Vista
1405hrs: All available manpower report to command post per Bat 13
1405hrs: E113 out at SSFD HQ
1405hrs: 2403 on scene, to become water officer, scene low on water
1407hrs: 1454 responding to Lewisboro
1408hrs: TL57 on scene
1408hrs: 67B1 on scene
1410hrs: T2 needs more pressure per 2403
1412hrs: Bat 13 requesting E113 to respond to scene and take dry hydrant just before North Lake
1413hrs: Katonah dispatched to relocate 1 engine to SSFD HQ
1414hrs: 1405 responding
1415hrs: 2403 reporting 4 tankers in line, trying to make positive water source at Lake
1415hrs: Bat 13 reporting exterior operations
1418hrs: 2212 responding to own HQ to assemble crew
1418hrs: T2 reporting 1st in line, no pressure, no water,
1421hrs: E113 establishing water source
1421hrs: E116, 2212 relocating
1424hrs: E113 requesting 4.5 to 6in adapter, double female
1425hrs: New Canaan E1 out at Vista
1428hrs: EMS command requesting Somers Rehab van to scene, to contact 45M3 when they arrive
1430hrs: Somers dispatching members to call in for rehab to respond
1432hrs: E113 still looking for adapter for dry hydrant, 2403 will run one down
1432hrs: 2212, E116 out at SSFD HQ
1435hrs: 1405 on scene
1436hrs: Somers redispatching for 1 EMT and 1 Driver to call in
1437hrs: Bat 13 reporting heavy fire in rear
1440hrs: Somers redispatching for 1 EMT to call in
1442hrs: 60min duration on scene per 60 Control
1445hrs: NYSEG on scene
1451hrs: E142 found a water source, to pump into T2
1452hrs: U88 responding
1454hrs: T4 reporting PD cars need to move, in way of tanker ops, bat 13 sending PD to move them
1458hrs: 2403 reporting still having issues with water pressure, Lot of Air, lots of leaks, negative pleasure, lots of cars, PD will two cars
1501hrs: U88 reporting 6-7min ETA
1503hrs: Bat 13 updating - All accounted for, 6 L/S/O
1506hrs: T2 reporting to 2403, 2.5, 1.75 lines not doing it, need to look for another source
1508hrs: U88 on scene
1512hrs: Bat 13 reporting extended operations, 2403 reporting doesn’t have enough pressure, need to lay
1512hrs: 2403 requesting E112 to scene, to lay from E113
1513hrs: E112 dispatched to scene
1516hrs: Croton Falls, 2nd call with 45M1 and North Salem VAC
1516hrs: LVAC 2nd call with 45M2 for an unresponsive male, CPR in progress
1517hrs: Bat 13 reporting 100x40, 3 story wood frame, heavy fire
1524hrs: Bat 13 requesting mutual aid to fill Goldens Bridge HQ, 2141 reporting they have manpower on standby
1527hrs: E112 4min out, to meet up with E113 at dry hydrant per 2403
1531hrs: Bat 13 reporting 2401 is safety officer
1536hrs: E112 dropping 5in, going up Lakes St
1540hrs: R28 returning from EMS call, 2071 requesting them to respond to scene for manpower
1540hrs: R28 reports only 3 on board will return to HQ and standby
1544hrs: 2403 requesting E112 to continue to lay, over 1.5 miles
1544hrs: 60 control updating Bat 13, 2 hours on scene
1556hrs: E113 reporting to 2403, hooked up to dry hydrant, ready to flow
1558hrs: Bat 13 sending everyone to rehab while they reposition equipment
1600hrs: Bat 13 reports all fire operations shutdown, waiting for TL57 to set up with a water source
1608hrs: E142 hooked up, ready to receive water, to feed to TL57
1610hrs: T1, T2 blocked in by E142’s supply line, told not to cross by 2403
1612hrs: E112 confirms they are ready to receive water from E113
1613hrs: E113 sending water
1620hrs: TL57 in operation
1626hrs: 40A9 working as 45M4 responding to a call on the Saw Mill, no medics available
1630hrs: E112 needs more water
1631hrs: T2 needs more pressure
1634hrs: Master Stream in Operation with TL57, E113 is maxed out with pressure
1634hrs: Bat 13 releasing Ridgefield T12, going to standby in SSFD HQ with Katonah
1639hrs: E140 relocating to Twin Lakes and North St
1643hrs: E113 shutting down so E140 can tie in
1643hrs: On scene 3 hours per 60 Control
1646hrs: E113 charging line, E140 all set
1650hrs: E113 giving everything they got, E112 still doesn’t have the pressure
1654hrs: 2142 reports they need another truck at the source to work
1655hrs: Bat 13 reports good water with TL in operations, don’t need another engine
1657hrs: 2141 requests 1 engine be put on standby in GBFD HQ
1658hrs: Somers dispatches for a full crew to call in for E180 to relocate
1700hrs: Somers call in covered, full crew
1710hrs: 2444, E180 relocating
1713hrs: Time on scene 3 hours, 30 minutes per 60 Control
1717hrs: 2444, E180 out at GBFD HQ
1735hrs: Bat 13 requesting a LVAC member to come to Command Post
1743hrs: E113 has hose ring colapse (?), need to stop pumping, has monpower
1745hrs: Shuting everything down to fix line per 2403
1747hrs: Hose shut, fixing problem
1805hrs: 2071 requesting U28 to the scene with hose roller
1805hrs: U28 responding
1815hrs: Bat 13 Requesting dispatch time, 1332hrs, still operating, TL and multiple hand lines still in use
1849hrs: T1 & T4 Back in service, put on standby in own HQ
1919hrs: Bat 13 reports fire is under control, begining to overhaul
1926hrs: 2444, E180 back in service, released from standby at GBFD HQ
1926hrs: Ridgefield T12 back in service
2010hrs: Rigs running low on fuel, E140 has 5/8 of a tank, and E113 has 1/4
2020hrs: 1405 and Cause and Orgin Team Clear of scene
2038hrs: E140 to unhook 5 inch and come up the hill to wire
2044hrs: Bat 13 reports 2 lines operating hitting hot spots, all other units in the process of picking up mile 5 inch
2045hrs: Engine 113 reports they are out of anti-freeze, may not be able to pump for much longer
2057hrs: E112 to go back to HQ, E113 will take the hoses
2058hrs: U88 back in service, returning to Somers
2114hrs: U28 Back in service
2116hrs: E142 back in serivce
2141hrs: 2031 reporting all BHFD units are clear, back in service. TL57 is broken down, waiting for a tow truck.
2141hrs: Croton Fall back in Service
2143hrs: T3 in service
2151hrs: Bat 13, Goldens Bridge FD back in service
2152hrs: Bat 13 reporting Lewisboro DPW Sander needed
2153hrs: Ridgefield R7 still on scene
2200hrs: 67B1, 45M3 back in service
2210hrs: 2142, 2144 back in service
2215hrs: Command Terminated, All untis back in serivce!
2315hrs: 2453, Engine 168, 169 responding back to scene for a rekindle
2321hrs: 2453 on scene with a rekindle
Please Discuss this incident here.

I'll jump in here with my ever so humble opinion on "helping out" neighboring departments as it applies in the volunteer world. Personally I find nothing wrong with it so long as there is a mechanism in place to assure accountability and that when "helping" one is familiar with how things are done by the department they are helping, otherwise they become a hinderance at best. I can remember back to when the roster of my FD had a space on it under the heading "non members assisting" and I can recall many fires in which such assistance was offered and accepted. If a department is going to allow non members to work jobs it is up to them to ensure that anyone who may assist in anything other than lugging a hose or hitting a hydrant is versed in their SOP/Gs. In another of my departments we regularly trained with our neighbors and on a number of occassions I assisted them especially during normal working hours if I was available, but this was only after I and my capabilities were known from those training sessions. This was not and is not freelancing it is using your expertise to assist a department in need IF they want it, which more often than not in my experience they have. Bottom line here is that to me if you are capable, willing and available you should assist if that need exists and the "host" department accepts the offer so long as doing so does not adversely affect you or your department.
Just my .$02
Happy New Year!!
Cogs

the really sad thing is, these idiots will probably sue the FDNY and get thousands...

When you really think about it, there should of been at least one additional engine on this job, ... for a second fill site for the Tankers... one of the general rules of thumb I have learned, ( 3 tankers can work off of 1 fill site, 4 - 6 tankers should have 2 fill sites. ) so with this in mind, there should of been another engine on the list...
* newsbuff - tell you what, you start on 1 side of BCR and I'll come in from the other end with T 10 and you tell me its really a 2 lane road...
* johnnyov - your incident debriefing, it might be helpful to invite some of the key members of the different areas of this call... ( the fill site, tanker off load site, and fire ground ) so that you can see points from different views... plus, I am sure its not going to be the last time we work together, so it could help get us all on the same page or provide us with a different method of operating...
* jflynn - on several other topics you have mentioned, that you do not know much about tanker operations, which is understandable, and if you ever wish to attend on of the Croton / Yorktown / Millwood yearly tanker drills, we would love to have you there and open up to any ideas you may have... let me know and I will gladly email you when we do our next...
* bnechis - you did attend our last CYM tanker drill and you did bring up some good points, one thing I took from your comments, lead Croton to get a 5 inch gated Wye, and because the tanker site was on a hill side, with no level areas near by, we tossed the ponds on the side of the road and went with the gated Wye and had 2 tankers nurse to the relay pumper, which worked out great.. thanks Barry.
* 99subi - most of the tankers in this area carry around 3000 gallons...
- as far as the worries about there being 100 FF on this job, WOW thats great... I know every single resident I spoke with, who were trying to get home or out for some reason we gald so many people were there to help out... I think it says allot of the system up here in Northen Westchester... it may not be the best, but it does work.
....... AND YORKTOWN, THIS DID NOT COUNT AS YOUR YEARLY TANKER DRILL, ITS YOUR TURN FOR THIS YEAR...

When you really think about it, there should of been at least one additional engine on this job, ... for a second fill site for the Tankers... one of the general rules of thumb I have learned, ( 3 tankers can work off of 1 fill site, 4 - 6 tankers should have 2 fill sites. ) so with this in mind, there should of been another engine on the list...
* newsbuff - tell you what, you start on 1 side of BCR and I'll come in from the other end with T 10 and you tell me its really a 2 lane road...
* johnnyov - your incident debriefing, it might be helpful to invite some of the key members of the different areas of this call... ( the fill site, tanker off load site, and fire ground ) so that you can see points from different views... plus, I am sure its not going to be the last time we work together, so it could help get us all on the same page or provide us with a different method of operating...
* jflynn - on several other topics you have mentioned, that you do not know much about tanker operations, which is understandable, and if you ever wish to attend on of the Croton / Yorktown / Millwood yearly tanker drills, we would love to have you there and open up to any ideas you may have... let me know and I will gladly email you when we do our next...
* bnechis - you did attend our last CYM tanker drill and you did bring up some good points, one thing I took from your comments, lead Croton to get a 5 inch gated Wye, and because the tanker site was on a hill side, with no level areas near by, we tossed the ponds on the side of the road and went with the gated Wye and had 2 tankers nurse to the relay pumper, which worked out great.. thanks Barry.
* 99subi - most of the tankers in this area carry around 3000 gallons...
- as far as the worries about there being 100 FF on this job, WOW thats great... I know every single resident I spoke with, who were trying to get home or out for some reason we gald so many people were there to help out... I think it says allot of the system up here in Northen Westchester... it may not be the best, but it does work.
....... AND YORKTOWN, THIS DID NOT COUNT AS YOUR YEARLY TANKER DRILL, ITS YOUR TURN FOR THIS YEAR...

When you really think about it, there should of been at least one additional engine on this job, ... for a second fill site for the Tankers... one of the general rules of thumb I have learned, ( 3 tankers can work off of 1 fill site, 4 - 6 tankers should have 2 fill sites. ) so with this in mind, there should of been another engine on the list...
* newsbuff - tell you what, you start on 1 side of BCR and I'll come in from the other end with T 10 and you tell me its really a 2 lane road...
* johnnyov - your incident debriefing, it might be helpful to invite some of the key members of the different areas of this call... ( the fill site, tanker off load site, and fire ground ) so that you can see points from different views... plus, I am sure its not going to be the last time we work together, so it could help get us all on the same page or provide us with a different method of operating...
* jflynn - on several other topics you have mentioned, that you do not know much about tanker operations, which is understandable, and if you ever wish to attend on of the Croton / Yorktown / Millwood yearly tanker drills, we would love to have you there and open up to any ideas you may have... let me know and I will gladly email you when we do our next...
* bnechis - you did attend our last CYM tanker drill and you did bring up some good points, one thing I took from your comments, lead Croton to get a 5 inch gated Wye, and because the tanker site was on a hill side, with no level areas near by, we tossed the ponds on the side of the road and went with the gated Wye and had 2 tankers nurse to the relay pumper, which worked out great.. thanks Barry.
* 99subi - most of the tankers in this area carry around 3000 gallons...
- as far as the worries about there being 100 FF on this job, WOW thats great... I know every single resident I spoke with, who were trying to get home or out for some reason we gald so many people were there to help out... I think it says allot of the system up here in Northen Westchester... it may not be the best, but it does work.
....... AND YORKTOWN, THIS DID NOT COUNT AS YOUR YEARLY TANKER DRILL, ITS YOUR TURN FOR THIS YEAR...

When you really think about it, there should of been at least one additional engine on this job, ... for a second fill site for the Tankers... one of the general rules of thumb I have learned, ( 3 tankers can work off of 1 fill site, 4 - 6 tankers should have 2 fill sites. ) so with this in mind, there should of been another engine on the list...
* newsbuff - tell you what, you start on 1 side of BCR and I'll come in from the other end with T 10 and you tell me its really a 2 lane road...
* johnnyov - your incident debriefing, it might be helpful to invite some of the key members of the different areas of this call... ( the fill site, tanker off load site, and fire ground ) so that you can see points from different views... plus, I am sure its not going to be the last time we work together, so it could help get us all on the same page or provide us with a different method of operating...
* jflynn - on several other topics you have mentioned, that you do not know much about tanker operations, which is understandable, and if you ever wish to attend on of the Croton / Yorktown / Millwood yearly tanker drills, we would love to have you there and open up to any ideas you may have... let me know and I will gladly email you when we do our next...
* bnechis - you did attend our last CYM tanker drill and you did bring up some good points, one thing I took from your comments, lead Croton to get a 5 inch gated Wye, and because the tanker site was on a hill side, with no level areas near by, we tossed the ponds on the side of the road and went with the gated Wye and had 2 tankers nurse to the relay pumper, which worked out great.. thanks Barry.
* 99subi - most of the tankers in this area carry around 3000 gallons...
- as far as the worries about there being 100 FF on this job, WOW thats great... I know every single resident I spoke with, who were trying to get home or out for some reason we gald so many people were there to help out... I think it says allot of the system up here in Northen Westchester... it may not be the best, but it does work.
....... AND YORKTOWN, THIS DID NOT COUNT AS YOUR YEARLY TANKER DRILL, ITS YOUR TURN FOR THIS YEAR...

Interesting structure, can it be a problem ??? sure, but thats the job of the local FD to get out and know the buildings it covers... You can not know eveything, and know how each was built, but a general knowledge can go a long way...
As far as it being dilapidated why would you say that ??? it looks well built.. yeah the porches look scarey but from the picture they all look structurely stable and straight... the paint looks fresh as there are not stains from water wear, so maybe the owner takes care of the building... Plus its an older building and most of them were over built, not like the homes of today...
Face it, this is the area we live in, the Hudson River Valley, things were built on steep slopes and many things are not as they appear... bottom line is we need to get to know our areas, remind everyone of floors which are " below " the ground floor, and the Engineering Depts. need to make sure structures are sound... My biggest fear is that Cape house which is loaded with years of memories and junk...

So B of A should just go there and hand out cash?? There are no ATMs and in some cases no banks operating for miles. Not all businesses take credit cards, especially without power. How much cash do you keep in your go bag? Eventually you'll need more. I would hope they waived any fees for other bank customers.

Discussing the events of a recent call, talking about ways which could of made the run smother or safer, opening other people’s ( or my ) eyes to other opinions, thinking outside the box and looking at it from another stand point is one of the things I believe have helped me and the guys from WECO, that I have worked with for years…
How is this toxic ??? what I believe, what is really toxic is the guy who believes “ what I do is right and that’s that !! “ and can not take criticism from other’s who may have done it differently…I have found the guys with an OPEN MIND, are the best ones to work with, and together a team can excel.
One of the major problems which can come from this, is just how someone brings it up, if it is NOT broadcasted properly, it will come across as an insult, and part of being an adult, is that we learn to listen to others and respect others feelings…. I am not 100 % sure, but I believe this is what JFlynn always means when he says QTIP… and I have started to agree with this…. We need to stop being babies and man up…. ( no disrespect to the ladies out there … )

Discussing the events of a recent call, talking about ways which could of made the run smother or safer, opening other people’s ( or my ) eyes to other opinions, thinking outside the box and looking at it from another stand point is one of the things I believe have helped me and the guys from WECO, that I have worked with for years…
How is this toxic ??? what I believe, what is really toxic is the guy who believes “ what I do is right and that’s that !! “ and can not take criticism from other’s who may have done it differently…I have found the guys with an OPEN MIND, are the best ones to work with, and together a team can excel.
One of the major problems which can come from this, is just how someone brings it up, if it is NOT broadcasted properly, it will come across as an insult, and part of being an adult, is that we learn to listen to others and respect others feelings…. I am not 100 % sure, but I believe this is what JFlynn always means when he says QTIP… and I have started to agree with this…. We need to stop being babies and man up…. ( no disrespect to the ladies out there … )

Discussing the events of a recent call, talking about ways which could of made the run smother or safer, opening other people’s ( or my ) eyes to other opinions, thinking outside the box and looking at it from another stand point is one of the things I believe have helped me and the guys from WECO, that I have worked with for years…
How is this toxic ??? what I believe, what is really toxic is the guy who believes “ what I do is right and that’s that !! “ and can not take criticism from other’s who may have done it differently…I have found the guys with an OPEN MIND, are the best ones to work with, and together a team can excel.
One of the major problems which can come from this, is just how someone brings it up, if it is NOT broadcasted properly, it will come across as an insult, and part of being an adult, is that we learn to listen to others and respect others feelings…. I am not 100 % sure, but I believe this is what JFlynn always means when he says QTIP… and I have started to agree with this…. We need to stop being babies and man up…. ( no disrespect to the ladies out there … )

Discussing the events of a recent call, talking about ways which could of made the run smother or safer, opening other people’s ( or my ) eyes to other opinions, thinking outside the box and looking at it from another stand point is one of the things I believe have helped me and the guys from WECO, that I have worked with for years…
How is this toxic ??? what I believe, what is really toxic is the guy who believes “ what I do is right and that’s that !! “ and can not take criticism from other’s who may have done it differently…I have found the guys with an OPEN MIND, are the best ones to work with, and together a team can excel.
One of the major problems which can come from this, is just how someone brings it up, if it is NOT broadcasted properly, it will come across as an insult, and part of being an adult, is that we learn to listen to others and respect others feelings…. I am not 100 % sure, but I believe this is what JFlynn always means when he says QTIP… and I have started to agree with this…. We need to stop being babies and man up…. ( no disrespect to the ladies out there … )

Discussing the events of a recent call, talking about ways which could of made the run smother or safer, opening other people’s ( or my ) eyes to other opinions, thinking outside the box and looking at it from another stand point is one of the things I believe have helped me and the guys from WECO, that I have worked with for years…
How is this toxic ??? what I believe, what is really toxic is the guy who believes “ what I do is right and that’s that !! “ and can not take criticism from other’s who may have done it differently…I have found the guys with an OPEN MIND, are the best ones to work with, and together a team can excel.
One of the major problems which can come from this, is just how someone brings it up, if it is NOT broadcasted properly, it will come across as an insult, and part of being an adult, is that we learn to listen to others and respect others feelings…. I am not 100 % sure, but I believe this is what JFlynn always means when he says QTIP… and I have started to agree with this…. We need to stop being babies and man up…. ( no disrespect to the ladies out there … )

Discussing the events of a recent call, talking about ways which could of made the run smother or safer, opening other people’s ( or my ) eyes to other opinions, thinking outside the box and looking at it from another stand point is one of the things I believe have helped me and the guys from WECO, that I have worked with for years…
How is this toxic ??? what I believe, what is really toxic is the guy who believes “ what I do is right and that’s that !! “ and can not take criticism from other’s who may have done it differently…I have found the guys with an OPEN MIND, are the best ones to work with, and together a team can excel.
One of the major problems which can come from this, is just how someone brings it up, if it is NOT broadcasted properly, it will come across as an insult, and part of being an adult, is that we learn to listen to others and respect others feelings…. I am not 100 % sure, but I believe this is what JFlynn always means when he says QTIP… and I have started to agree with this…. We need to stop being babies and man up…. ( no disrespect to the ladies out there … )

I see your point, but it sounds more like the " what if " game.. we all can second guess everything to death... Its is the sad state of the world we live in today, if something happens, it is always someone elses fault... never the person behind the wheel ...
The example you use, in my book, would be your fault for allowing a friend to use your boat, past its capablities... plus fault should be on the operator for not making sure the boat was safe for his party... NOT the local PD who checked the boat out the week before, when your family was using it... by using this train of thought, every PD agency should check a boat everytime it leaves the dock, as all the elements can change... I do see your point, heli., but there needs to be a happy middle point here...

With all of the new electric tools the PD has today ( Plate readers, laptops in cars ) someone should invent something similiar to the plate readers, so a PD unit can scan markings on a boat and be able to see when it was last inspected for a safety check. If it was performed say within the last 2 months, then the PD patrol unit can leave them be, unless there was cause for them to be stopped...
I respect the job these PD units are trying to do, but I can also see the point of the boaters... there should be a level playing field here.