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Date:10/9/12
Time: approx 1200Hrs
Location: 355 Old Tarrytown Rd
Frequency: 46.26, Fire 14
Units Operating: Fairview Car 2121, 2122, Rescue 3, E-174, E-175, E-176, L-1 Hartsdale Car 2171, E-170, TL-15, Greenville Car 2151, Ladder 4, White Plains E-66, Relocates Elmsford L-55
Weather Conditions: clear
Description Of Incident: working fire on 2nd floor bedroom
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Initial dispatch reporting possible structure fire for R-3, 174, 175, HFD TL-15
10-75 HFD 170, GFD L-4, WPFD E-66.
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I just think the water rescue teams should be placed in better locations, with all the flooding and bodies of water in the sound shore i think it would be very beneficial to have one in lower Westchester.
That may be true but currently response times are not an issue to many of the agencies in the county. Now before everyone jumps in saying that is ridiculous, how many departments in Westchester have an automatic aid agreement where a special ops resource is automatically dispatched by 60 control with the tones from the host department. Not many if any. Many departments start out their units and chiefs and wait to get on scene or in their vehicles to confirm the incident rather then start out help. The dispatch of the special unit with the tones of the host department can cut valuable minutes off the response time that would be much longer if units wait to get on scene and confirm an incident. Not to single out any agency but the example of the sound shore area was used so we will stick with it request Yorktown, Somers, Irvington dive at dispatch, or look just north to Stanford and Greenwhich Ct. for water rescue resources and start them out immediately, this will help get the unit on scene faster and also justifies the need for that type of unit in that area.
Also the biggest issue is drop the career volunteer stuff and call the closest trained resource or heck call multiple resources its better to overwhelm an incident rather then nickel and dime and run short of trained personnel. The departments and members of Westchester County need to learn to function with what we have. The training and equipping new special units costs a lot of time and money, which in this economy is very hard to come by. We need to utilize the under used resources that we already have trained and equipped in this county before we worry about adding additional resources.
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Date:3/9/12
Time:0601Hrs
Location: 120 E. Hartsdale Ave.
Frequency: HFD, 46.26, Fire 14
Units Operating: HFD 2171, 2172, E-169, E-171, TL-15, GFD SQ-15, Ladder 4, 2151, FFD E-174, SFD L-28, Batt 14, GPD EMS.
Relocate HFD- WPFD Eng, EFD Truck.
Weather Conditions: clear
Description Of Incident: Fire in Basement level laundry room of a 7 story OMD, with smoke conditions on floors above.
Reporters:
Writer:HFD23
0601Hrs- HFD with GFD SQ-15 dispatched to commercial alarm at above address, zone given elevator smoke detector.
0603Hrs- HFD on scene smoke showing from lower level "B-side" Working fire assignment dispatched.
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Interesting, I like the Idea. But it seems that the YHFD Commissioners have their mind set that they need a 3rd Station.
Today, there was a smoke condition at 1594 Croton Lake Road. It's 3 driving miles from Station 2 and 4.5 driving miles from the proposed station 3. They struggled to get 2 engines to the scene, 1 came from each station. And one of the trucks was driven by a chief. They had to call in a mutual aid engine and tanker from croton. I'm not going to make an opinion until I see real facts but by the looks of it, a third station will not work for them.
No Engine was driven by a Chief.... to that particular call...
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This conversation is nice and is full of lots of speculation, but it is just that... So why not try to get some factual answers as to what the plan actually is?
As I am not a commissioner, I will not comment either in favor of or against their project, but my suggestions is that if any of the members of this website have questions the best action would be to attend the Pubic Board of Fire Commissioners Meetings next tuesday night at station 2 and ask your questions in person or write a letter to the Yorktown Heights Board of Fire Commissioners and ask all of your questions. Go to the source and maybe we can understand what their thought process is.
Remember585, FFLieu, jayhalsey and 1 other like this -
Probably a "Very Sore" subject on here, but I post it anyway. Why, on some Major Jobs in YONKERS, Greenville is dispatched by 60 Control to help cover Yonkers on Mutual Aid requests BUT Yonkers is not dispatched to assist Greenville in their requests for Mutual Aid????? (Yonkers Station 14, with Engine 314 and Ladder 70 is just down the road on Central Avenue from the Greenville Fire District (Why Eastchester or even better Mount Vernon ????)
My opinion is (and always has been) that the Westchester Mutual Aid System is flawed, broken and in dis-repair and the "ONLY" an FULL AND COMPLETE (with ZERO EXCEPTIONS) County-Wide Consolidation (and this INCLUDES YONKERS) is a MUST
Yonkers sent 1 and 1 with batt2 to this job.
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Just wondering I read the assigned units to this fire, is Hartsdale using the ladder loaned to them from FDMV or not. It states E-170 and E-171 were assigned to the fire but no mention of a ladder. As for Eastchester are they fixing L-15 and L-16 so they have 3 aerials again or just playing roulette, it seems unfair to the taxpayers their to send the only working ladder out of town so to speak, what if a fire happened in Eastchester while TL-17 was away.
Hartsdale is using a spare FDMV Ladder.
E-170 responding on the automatic aid agreement.
E-171 was requested. as an additional company on the 10-75. Why would our ladder be sent if it wasn't requested? additionally 3 ladders were already responding on such a small street how many can even fit on the fire block? HFD has a spare Engine and HFD conducted a recall as Greenville Fairview and Scarsdale do for us all the time.
Heres the truth of the matter the IC called for his preset 10-75 he got what his department has in the CAD.
The fire went out in less then 12 mintues.
Most of the Mutual Aid was returned prior to arriving on scene, better to have manpower then not to, even with all those apparatus their are only 18 members responding to the scene not counting Yonkers with 10 members that didn't operate from my understanding.
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Date:1/24/12
Time:1111
Location:17 Pheasant Run Rd. cross of Ft. Hill Rd.
Frequency: 46.06, Fire 18
Units Operating: GFD Sq-15, Ladder 4, Car 2151, Hartsdale E-170, E-171, Yonkers Engine, Yonkers Ladder, Fairview E-174 F.A.S.T. Eastchester TL-17
Relocates: Scarsdale Ladder 28, White Plains E-66 to Greenville HQ, Mt. Vernon Ladder to Eastchester FD. New Rochelle E-22 to Hartsdale HQ.
Weather Conditions: Clear
Description Of Incident: Working fire in 2.5 story private dwelling on 2nd floor
Reporters:
Writer:23
1111Hrs- SQ-15 L-4, HFD E-170 dispatched for smoke in the attic
1115Hrs- 10-75 per Ladder 4, FFD Engine, Eastchester Ladder, Hartsdale 2nd Engine, Yonkers Engine and Truck dispatched.
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The honest truth here is "Titles and Names"
Every one wants a Rescue Company, a Squad Company, Technical Rescue Squad, Etc.
They are Titles.
its truly about the equipment carried and level of training of the members, this doesn't mean every rescue needs to have trench or structural shoring equipment but they should have more then just extrication tools.
West Harrison's Apparatus is a rescue pumper as stated not truly a rescue, its just a name, if putting a tool on a engine and changing the name means not buying separate engine and rescue apparatus then who cares what they call it.
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Date:11/28/11
Time:1914Hrs
Location: 140 East Hartsdale Ave.
Frequency: HFD, 46.06, 46.26, Fire 14 Trunked
Units Operating: HFD 2172, 2174, E-170, E-171, TL-15, FFD E-174, GFD SQ-15, SFD L-28 F.A.S.T., Batt 14
Weather Conditions: Clear
Description Of Incident: Working Fire on the 2nd floor, Standpipe attack, Multiple Reports of people trapped on floors above. Members made a aggressive interior attack with a quick knock down of heavy fire in the apartment of origin.
Reporters:
Writer:HFD23
sfrd18, efdcapt115, BFD1054 and 7 others like this -
This may be a stupid question but does the HFD member respond on Fairview calls as well with L1? or just Hartsdale calls?
Yes....
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Date:4/19/11
Time:12:00Hrs
Location: S.5th ave
Frequency: Fire 18, 46.06, multiple others
Units Operating: Pelham FD,Pelham Manor Engine 1, Engine 2, New Ro ladder 12, Engine 22, Eastchester Ladder 16 F.A.S.T. then put to work, Yonkers Batt 2, Squad 11 F.A.S.T. then put to work. FDMV LAdder 62, Engine 206 F.A.S.T., Greenville Ladder 4 to cover, Larchmont Engine 34 to cover, Yonkers MSU to Scene, Batt 18
Weather Conditions: light rain.
Description Of Incident: Working fire
Reporters:
Writer: HFD23
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Date:3/5/11
Time:1917Hrs
Location: Dunderave Rd cross of Wyndover Rd.
Frequency: Fire 14, Fire ground 8
Units Operating: Car 2121, 2122, Eng 175, Eng 176, Ladder 1, Rescue 3, Hartsdale Car 2171, 2173, Eng 171, Greenville Ladder 4, WPFD Eng-66 (F.A.S.T.) Batt 11.
Weather Conditions: Clear
Description Of Incident: Fire in a 1 story Type 5 Private dwelling
Reporters:
Writer:HFD23
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We all have staffing issues. Did any other dept. respond to the scene other then WP and Larchmont? I can't really tell from the pics and video. I would assume you needed a number of engines to lay line to all the elevated water towers as well as to protect exposures. Great stop to the guys of NRFD. Could have lost the whole block on that one.
Those photos show all NRFD plus NRFD Spare apparatus, LFD tower 7 WPFD L-33, Greenville E-150, TMFD E-36.
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this was a sprinklered building. fire was in the cockloft above the sprinklers so they had no effect. heads were activated during fire attack and the os&y had to be shut down to improve visibility as ceilings were being pulled to expose fire and stop the spread in the cockloft.
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Date:10/7/10
Time:0650Hrs
Location: 6 Overhill Rd. Scarsdale NY
Frequency: SFD, Fire 19,
Units Operating: Scarsdale Car 2431, 2432, 2433; E-56, 55, 57, L-28; Hartsdale E-170 F.A.S.T., HFD Car 2171
Weather Conditions: clear
Description Of Incident:Basement Fire
Reporters:
Writer:HFD23
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Was wondering the same. Good Movie!!!
Hartsdale Engine 171 and TL-15 are the apparatus in the movie also several Hartsdale members are scene in the movie following the explosion. it was filmed on central ave. during a week day, central avenue traffic was stopped several times for filming. The crew and cast were very nice.
It was a very funny movie.
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HFD members removed one civilian who attempted to fight the fire with a garden hose.
Units HFD Car 2171, 2172, Eng-171, Eng-169, L-46, GFD Car 2151, Eng-150
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Does Yorktown's dive team have swift water capabilities?
Yes, Yorktown's Dive Water/ Rescue team is trained in various areas including but not limited to Dive Ops, Ice Dive Ops, Ice Rescue, Swift Water Rescue, Floods and Moving Water ops. The Team Has all the necessary boats and equipment for the above listed operations. For more information on their capabilities contact the Chief or Dive Team Captain, i know that they go out and will do training with other departments regarding the teams capabilities as a mutual aid resource.
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Date:7/5/10
Time:1853
Location: 357 Greenwich Rd
Frequency: fire 16, 46.26,
Units Operating: Bedford Fire, EMS, WCDES Batt 16, Yorktown Heights 2532, R-55 (Dive Water Rescue), Marine 55, Marine 56, Sound Beach Fire CT. Dive, R-5 Batt 2, multiple EMS units
Weather Conditions: clear, warm
Description Of Incident: Overturned canoe in the rear of the property with (1) person missing later recovered by divers and transported.
Writer:HFD23
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What other departments were on scene?
Hartsdale greenville fairview scarsdale white plains yonkers
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How many departments actually try and get a dedicated hoseline from a close engine company for their RIT team to have on hand, standing by with them? Like HFD23 said, getting their truck to the front or side of the building is damn near impossible, so getting your engine close fits into that category too.
Does anyone have standing protocol to basically demand a hoseline in general be given to them upon arriving at a mutual aid scene? If so, how does that work with your neighboring departments?
I think having a extra line stretched and ready for the F.A.S.T. to use in the event of a rescue is very important, however i do agree often it may not be fast personnel operating the line, there is nothing wrong with assigning extra companies to staging. also if your short manpower reassigning additional personal to a hose line that will protect a rescue operation in the event of some sort of collapse etc is important.
The bottom line is may departments both career and volunteer manpower is a issue, some days F.A.S.T. companies may have 4 or more sometimes even less. the ability of the fast company to effect a rescue and operate a hose line will be based on this. a study showed approx 12 FF's to rescue 1 so i don't know many companies that have 12 F.A.S.T. members at every run. i have seen teams deploy with 8 or 10 so we won't say that it is totally not impossible to operate a line with F.A.S.T. members.
A better question is what is your Departments minimum staffing to respond?
minimum requirements to be a team member?
Any one have a SOP / SOG reading something to the effect if you respond with 4 members as your minimum that you also request a 2nd team to fill out a more realistic number of personnel by combining resources?
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I noticed today reading of the Stamford working fire today that the RIT team was an engine company. This got me thinking as to if that or any engine is capable of performing RIT duties on its own? RIT shouldn't just involve standing in the front yard and listening to the radio, it involves a good deal of proactive actions, and once activated any number of obstacles inside that caused the mayday will have to be overcome. Does your department have a list of equipment that are to be staged by the RIT team, or a RIT protocol in general? Or is it just a 'wing it' sort of operation. **I'm not saying that this is the case in Stamford, as I have no idea as to their equipment on their apparatus nor their SOPS.** In my mind, you need at least two saws, (one with a wood blade, the other with metal blade) multiple hooks, tagline, a hoseline, RIT pack, irons, TIC, ladders, just to get the list started. I don't know of any engine company that carries all or even most of those things.
Many Departments in Westchester use engine co's as F.A.S.T/ R.I.T.
i know Hartsdale E-170 has all the stuff you mentioned plus some. Fairview, Yonkers, white plains all usually use engines. Scarsdale and Greenville can use either a Eng or a Truck as fast, Croton uses a engine, Yorktown use's an engine all which have the equipment you stated. Irvington uses a rescue i believe.
Many Departments in Westchester have engines that are set up as more of a squad meaning that they carry engine and truck company equipment like saws hooks etc. also many carry extrication equipment and rope rescue equipment, not every department has multiple trucks to send out on mutual aid, many have multiple engines so sending one out of town isn't as big a deal. also many departments don't have heavy rescues so engine's have to fill the gap taking on a roll of carrying more then just hose and water.
Another factor is that how often does the F.A.S.T truck get close enough to the fire building to actually use its aerial, its rare here in westchester often due to limited access, tight streets etc. Thus using an aerial device as a F.A.S.T. company is a luxury not a necessity.
The Biggest thing isn't what apparatus the F.A.S.Team comes on its the equipment they carry,depoly, the pro-activity of the F.A.S.T members and leader and most importantly the level of training of the members who respond.
in Westchester County Area Emergency Services News
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All black gear is the engine company
Tan coat black pants is the ladder company.