eric12401

Amen for the G-MEN!!

Smackdown in the Meadowlands!!!

Lomontville FD (Ulster Co.): 68 calls (20 EMS calls)

Does the High School Football team go over what they did well and what needs to be improved? If they do not, then they will make the same mistakes over and over.
Do we question when pro ball players do it? How about when they pay millions for consultants to do? And how many of you watch any of the sports shows where they spend millions to analyze every aspect of the GAME?
WE all accept that its important to do this so that we will win the next game, but improve emergency services, why would we want to do that? Is it realy important? What if next time we lose someone because we failed to learn?
"Those that fail to learn from history are doomed to repeat it" - Winston Churchill
We are seeing more litigation against chiefs for not meeting minimum standards (i.e. live burn). The standards for rural water supply were published in 1975 and have been updated every 4 years. The NYS courts have accepted NFPA as the minimum standards unless you can prove that you are using another state or nationally recognized standard.
It just a matter of time before some smart insurance company or lawyers see the fire service as an untapped pot of gold (leaf).

Date: 1/4/2012
Time: 1410hrs
Location: 19 Rock Ridge Road (X Bobble Ln)
Frequency: 46.26, 33.96, 46.06, 46.02, Fire 15, EMS 15, 155.625 (RBPD), 453.150 (EMS)
Units Operating: [Rye Brook FD: L30], [Port Chester FD: 2391, 2392, 2393, E58, E62, E64, E63, L31, R40, U65], [Mamaroneck Town FD: 2232, R6 (FASTeam)], [PCRRBEMS: 77A4], [WCDES: Bat 15, 1402 (C&O Z2)], Rye Brook PD, Con Ed, Rye Brook DPW
Units on Standby at Own HQ: [Port Chester FD: E60, E61]
Weather Conditions: Cold, Clear
Description Of Incident: Working fire in 1.5 Story wood frame. Homeowner called 911 reporting possible fire. Rye Book and Port Chester Fire Departments are run together but are different departments.
Reporters:
Writer: firedude
Rye Patch Article
Photos
PM me if you have any corrections or something to add.

Date: 1/3/2012
Time: 1332hrs
Location: 81 Twin Lakes Road (X North lake circle)
Frequency: 46.26, Fire 13, EMS 13, Fire 16, FG4, Ops 1, 154.920 (NYSP), 151.53500 (LVAC), 154.22000 (SVFD)
Units Operating on Scene: [south Salem FD: 2451 (IC), 2453, 2455, E167, E168, T2, R21, U79], [Goldens Bridge FD: 2142, E140, T1], [Croton Falls FD: 2071, 2073, T8, U28], [Vista FD: 2561, E142, T4], [Ridgefield FD: Car 3, T12, R7], [Pound Ridge FD: 2041 (Safety), 2403 (Water Officer), E113, E112, T3], [bedford Hills FD: 2031, TL57 (FASTeam)] , [Lewisboro VAC: 67B1], [Westchester EMS: 45M3 (EMS Command)], [somers FD: U88 (Rehab)], [WCDES: Bat 13, 1405 (C&O)], NYSP, NYSEG
Units on Standby at South Salem HQ: [Katonah FD: 2212, E116], [Ridgefield FD: T12]
Units on Standby at Vista HQ: [New Canaan FD: E1]
Units on Standby at Goldens Bridge HQ: [somers FD: 2444, E180]
Weather Conditions: Cold, Clear
Description Of Incident: Working fire in Non-hydrant area, 6 L/S/O, 2 Story Front, 4 Story Rear, 100x40, Heavy fire in rear
Reporters: peterose313, BigBuff
Writer: firedude
LoHud Article
Lohud Scene Pictures by Frank Becerra Jr
Lewisboro Ledger Article
The Daily Lewisboro Article
News 12 Article and Video
1332hrs: South Salem dispatched to reported structure fire
1332hrs: TMC dispatching 2 cars to scene
1333hrs: 2451, 2453, 2455 responding
1338hrs: T2, E167, R21 responding
1338hrs: 60 Control reporting PD on scene with fire through roof
1339hrs: 2451 requesting 1st alarm
1340hrs: 2451 2452, 2455 on scene with 2 story wood frame, fire through roof
1341hrs: 1st alarm dispatched (Goldens Bridge 1 engine, 1 tanker, Croton Falls 1 tanker, Bedford Hills FAST, Bat 13)
1342hrs: 2071, 2073, E168 responding
1343hrs: Vista requested for manpower and water source
1343hrs: 2142, 2143 responding
1344hrs: Lewisboro VAC and 45M3 dispatched
1344hrs: E140 responding
1344hrs: Pound Ridge FD to standby at SSFD HQ
1345hrs: 2031 responding
1345hrs: Bat 13 on scene
1346hrs: T8 responding
1346hrs: 2451 updating 3000sq ft., 60x30, 2 story front, 4 story rear, FG 4 in use
1347hrs: U79 responding
1347hrs: E142 responding as a water source
1347hrs: Bat 13 requesting 2 additional tankers to scene
1348hrs: Pound Ridge tanker, Vista tanker dispatched
1348hrs: TL57 responding
1349hrs: Bat 13 requesting C and O to scene
1349hrs: T3 responding shortly
1349hrs: C and O zone 5 dispatched
1351hrs: 45M3 on scene
1352hrs: Bat 13 reports Ops 1 for tanker ops, 2141 to be water officer
1352hrs: 2141 on scene, unable to be water director, driving tanker
1352hrs: 2403 responding
1352hrs: T3, T4 responding
1352hrs: U79 on scene
1353hrs: Bat 13 reports heavy fire on 2nd floor, Ridgefield tanker responding
1354hrs: Bat 14 dispatched
1354hrs: 2142 on scene, to become water officer
1354hrs: 2033 on scene
1355hrs: NYSG requested by IC
1355hrs: Bat 13 reporting 2 L/S/O, heave fire per IC
1356hrs: E113 relocating to SSFD HQ
1357hrs: Bat 13 going outside operations
1357hrs: Bat 13 updated with 6 tankers (T1, T2, T3, T4, T8, Ridgefield T12), E142 to be source engine
1358hrs: 2043 requesting location of TL57, reporting them to back it up, will be going to work
1359hrs: Bat 13 requesting E142 to go directly to scene, making interior attack
1400hrs: 2031 on scene
1400hrs: 60 advises bat 13 they are 1 tanker short of 2nd alarm, Bat 13 reports finding a water source
1401hrs: E140 on scene
1401hrs: NYSEG with 25min ETA
1402hrs: Bat 13 requesting Lewisboro for rehab, Ridgefield rescue with additional manpower responding
1404hrs: E142, T1 on scene
1405hrs: T4 on scene
1405hrs: New Canaan 1 engine to standby at Vista
1405hrs: All available manpower report to command post per Bat 13
1405hrs: E113 out at SSFD HQ
1405hrs: 2403 on scene, to become water officer, scene low on water
1407hrs: 1454 responding to Lewisboro
1408hrs: TL57 on scene
1408hrs: 67B1 on scene
1410hrs: T2 needs more pressure per 2403
1412hrs: Bat 13 requesting E113 to respond to scene and take dry hydrant just before North Lake
1413hrs: Katonah dispatched to relocate 1 engine to SSFD HQ
1414hrs: 1405 responding
1415hrs: 2403 reporting 4 tankers in line, trying to make positive water source at Lake
1415hrs: Bat 13 reporting exterior operations
1418hrs: 2212 responding to own HQ to assemble crew
1418hrs: T2 reporting 1st in line, no pressure, no water,
1421hrs: E113 establishing water source
1421hrs: E116, 2212 relocating
1424hrs: E113 requesting 4.5 to 6in adapter, double female
1425hrs: New Canaan E1 out at Vista
1428hrs: EMS command requesting Somers Rehab van to scene, to contact 45M3 when they arrive
1430hrs: Somers dispatching members to call in for rehab to respond
1432hrs: E113 still looking for adapter for dry hydrant, 2403 will run one down
1432hrs: 2212, E116 out at SSFD HQ
1435hrs: 1405 on scene
1436hrs: Somers redispatching for 1 EMT and 1 Driver to call in
1437hrs: Bat 13 reporting heavy fire in rear
1440hrs: Somers redispatching for 1 EMT to call in
1442hrs: 60min duration on scene per 60 Control
1445hrs: NYSEG on scene
1451hrs: E142 found a water source, to pump into T2
1452hrs: U88 responding
1454hrs: T4 reporting PD cars need to move, in way of tanker ops, bat 13 sending PD to move them
1458hrs: 2403 reporting still having issues with water pressure, Lot of Air, lots of leaks, negative pleasure, lots of cars, PD will two cars
1501hrs: U88 reporting 6-7min ETA
1503hrs: Bat 13 updating - All accounted for, 6 L/S/O
1506hrs: T2 reporting to 2403, 2.5, 1.75 lines not doing it, need to look for another source
1508hrs: U88 on scene
1512hrs: Bat 13 reporting extended operations, 2403 reporting doesn’t have enough pressure, need to lay
1512hrs: 2403 requesting E112 to scene, to lay from E113
1513hrs: E112 dispatched to scene
1516hrs: Croton Falls, 2nd call with 45M1 and North Salem VAC
1516hrs: LVAC 2nd call with 45M2 for an unresponsive male, CPR in progress
1517hrs: Bat 13 reporting 100x40, 3 story wood frame, heavy fire
1524hrs: Bat 13 requesting mutual aid to fill Goldens Bridge HQ, 2141 reporting they have manpower on standby
1527hrs: E112 4min out, to meet up with E113 at dry hydrant per 2403
1531hrs: Bat 13 reporting 2401 is safety officer
1536hrs: E112 dropping 5in, going up Lakes St
1540hrs: R28 returning from EMS call, 2071 requesting them to respond to scene for manpower
1540hrs: R28 reports only 3 on board will return to HQ and standby
1544hrs: 2403 requesting E112 to continue to lay, over 1.5 miles
1544hrs: 60 control updating Bat 13, 2 hours on scene
1556hrs: E113 reporting to 2403, hooked up to dry hydrant, ready to flow
1558hrs: Bat 13 sending everyone to rehab while they reposition equipment
1600hrs: Bat 13 reports all fire operations shutdown, waiting for TL57 to set up with a water source
1608hrs: E142 hooked up, ready to receive water, to feed to TL57
1610hrs: T1, T2 blocked in by E142’s supply line, told not to cross by 2403
1612hrs: E112 confirms they are ready to receive water from E113
1613hrs: E113 sending water
1620hrs: TL57 in operation
1626hrs: 40A9 working as 45M4 responding to a call on the Saw Mill, no medics available
1630hrs: E112 needs more water
1631hrs: T2 needs more pressure
1634hrs: Master Stream in Operation with TL57, E113 is maxed out with pressure
1634hrs: Bat 13 releasing Ridgefield T12, going to standby in SSFD HQ with Katonah
1639hrs: E140 relocating to Twin Lakes and North St
1643hrs: E113 shutting down so E140 can tie in
1643hrs: On scene 3 hours per 60 Control
1646hrs: E113 charging line, E140 all set
1650hrs: E113 giving everything they got, E112 still doesn’t have the pressure
1654hrs: 2142 reports they need another truck at the source to work
1655hrs: Bat 13 reports good water with TL in operations, don’t need another engine
1657hrs: 2141 requests 1 engine be put on standby in GBFD HQ
1658hrs: Somers dispatches for a full crew to call in for E180 to relocate
1700hrs: Somers call in covered, full crew
1710hrs: 2444, E180 relocating
1713hrs: Time on scene 3 hours, 30 minutes per 60 Control
1717hrs: 2444, E180 out at GBFD HQ
1735hrs: Bat 13 requesting a LVAC member to come to Command Post
1743hrs: E113 has hose ring colapse (?), need to stop pumping, has monpower
1745hrs: Shuting everything down to fix line per 2403
1747hrs: Hose shut, fixing problem
1805hrs: 2071 requesting U28 to the scene with hose roller
1805hrs: U28 responding
1815hrs: Bat 13 Requesting dispatch time, 1332hrs, still operating, TL and multiple hand lines still in use
1849hrs: T1 & T4 Back in service, put on standby in own HQ
1919hrs: Bat 13 reports fire is under control, begining to overhaul
1926hrs: 2444, E180 back in service, released from standby at GBFD HQ
1926hrs: Ridgefield T12 back in service
2010hrs: Rigs running low on fuel, E140 has 5/8 of a tank, and E113 has 1/4
2020hrs: 1405 and Cause and Orgin Team Clear of scene
2038hrs: E140 to unhook 5 inch and come up the hill to wire
2044hrs: Bat 13 reports 2 lines operating hitting hot spots, all other units in the process of picking up mile 5 inch
2045hrs: Engine 113 reports they are out of anti-freeze, may not be able to pump for much longer
2057hrs: E112 to go back to HQ, E113 will take the hoses
2058hrs: U88 back in service, returning to Somers
2114hrs: U28 Back in service
2116hrs: E142 back in serivce
2141hrs: 2031 reporting all BHFD units are clear, back in service. TL57 is broken down, waiting for a tow truck.
2141hrs: Croton Fall back in Service
2143hrs: T3 in service
2151hrs: Bat 13, Goldens Bridge FD back in service
2152hrs: Bat 13 reporting Lewisboro DPW Sander needed
2153hrs: Ridgefield R7 still on scene
2200hrs: 67B1, 45M3 back in service
2210hrs: 2142, 2144 back in service
2215hrs: Command Terminated, All untis back in serivce!
2315hrs: 2453, Engine 168, 169 responding back to scene for a rekindle
2321hrs: 2453 on scene with a rekindle
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Date: 1/2/12
Time: 13:55
Location: 925 Lapla Rd (http://binged.it/sDp3DV)
Frequency: 33.48, 46.46
Units Operating: Lomontville FD, West Hurley FD, Marbletown FD, Ulster Hose FD, Hurley FD, Stone Ridge FD, Vly-Atwood FD, Olive FD, Marbletown Rescue, UCFIU, NYSP
Weather Conditions: Sunny, cool
Description Of Incident: Working barn fire
Reporters/Writer: eric12401
* First structure fire in Lomontville in recent years.
1355 - Lomontville respond for a reported barn fire. West Hurley with 66-30 to the scene.
1357 - Lomontville 35-12 and 35-13 responding.
1359 - Lomontville command requesting a 2nd alarm
1401 - 2nd alarm transmitted for a working barn fire.

Hurley with 32-12 to the scene.
Ulster Hose with 61-12 and FASTeam to the scene.
Marbletown with 37-20 to the scene.
Marbletown Rescue with 1 ambulance to the scene.

1402 - Stone Ridge with 58-10, Olive with 44-10, and Vly-Atwood with 62-10 to standby at Lomontville's firehouse.
1404 - UCFIU with investigators to the scene
1406 - Marbletown Rescue 612 and Lomontville 35-11 responding.
1423 - Lomontville command advising they'll need Ulster Hose 61-12 to assist in cutting a hole in the roof.
1424 - Command reporting fire is knocked down.
1506 - 56-N on scene (fire investigator)
1604 - Vly-Atwood 62-10 released from standby duty.

Date: 1/2/12
Time: 11:57
Location: Rt 82 & Sylvan Lake Road
Frequency: F/G 7&8
Units Operating: LaGrange (47-11, -12, -13, -14, -31, -32, -55, -68, -72, -88, -89) & East Fishkill 39-15, -33
Weather Conditions:
Description Of Incident: Car fire in Garage
Reporters: X1243
Writer: Jason S
11:57 LG all equipment (47-71, -87 at another call) and 39-11 disp
11:59 LG St#2 responding/Signal 1 at St #2
11:59 DC911 reports to 47-2 via Command 3 call should be @ 1632 Rt 82 or 10 Sylvan Lake Road
12:00 DC911 reports possibly detached garage and this is @ 1632 Rt 82
12:00 47-13 resp/E.F. reports they are assembling
12:01 47-2 asks for FG/FG 7/8 assigned
12:02 2nd disp for 47-14, -31, -32, -68, -55
12:03 39-15 resp in place of 39-11
12:04 47-2 o/s w/ fully involved garage within 20 ft of residence
12:04 DC911 advises all DC Coordinaters of Incident
12:05 DC911 reports PD o/s w/ fully involved and patient w/ minor burns/47-11 o/s
12:07 47-12 via FG 7 approaching scene
12:07 DC911 reports to Command no response from 47-14, -31, -32, -55, -68/Per Command go w/ 3rd disp
12:08 3rd disp
12:10 DC911 advises Command he has 39-13, 47-11, -12, -13, -72, -88, -89 enroute or o/s
12:12 Command requests MA tanker @ next disp/15 Min PAR
12:14 4th disp for same equipment as 3rd disp + 39-33 to scene
12:15 Per Command no more tones
12:19 39-33 via FG 7 approaching scene/CC 3 o/s

Date: 1/2/12
Time: 13:55
Location: 925 Lapla Rd (http://binged.it/sDp3DV)
Frequency: 33.48, 46.46
Units Operating: Lomontville FD, West Hurley FD, Marbletown FD, Ulster Hose FD, Hurley FD, Stone Ridge FD, Vly-Atwood FD, Olive FD, Marbletown Rescue, UCFIU, NYSP
Weather Conditions: Sunny, cool
Description Of Incident: Working barn fire
Reporters/Writer: eric12401
* First structure fire in Lomontville in recent years.
1355 - Lomontville respond for a reported barn fire. West Hurley with 66-30 to the scene.
1357 - Lomontville 35-12 and 35-13 responding.
1359 - Lomontville command requesting a 2nd alarm
1401 - 2nd alarm transmitted for a working barn fire.

Hurley with 32-12 to the scene.
Ulster Hose with 61-12 and FASTeam to the scene.
Marbletown with 37-20 to the scene.
Marbletown Rescue with 1 ambulance to the scene.

1402 - Stone Ridge with 58-10, Olive with 44-10, and Vly-Atwood with 62-10 to standby at Lomontville's firehouse.
1404 - UCFIU with investigators to the scene
1406 - Marbletown Rescue 612 and Lomontville 35-11 responding.
1423 - Lomontville command advising they'll need Ulster Hose 61-12 to assist in cutting a hole in the roof.
1424 - Command reporting fire is knocked down.
1506 - 56-N on scene (fire investigator)
1604 - Vly-Atwood 62-10 released from standby duty.

Date: 1/2/12
Time: 13:55
Location: 925 Lapla Rd (http://binged.it/sDp3DV)
Frequency: 33.48, 46.46
Units Operating: Lomontville FD, West Hurley FD, Marbletown FD, Ulster Hose FD, Hurley FD, Stone Ridge FD, Vly-Atwood FD, Olive FD, Marbletown Rescue, UCFIU, NYSP
Weather Conditions: Sunny, cool
Description Of Incident: Working barn fire
Reporters/Writer: eric12401
* First structure fire in Lomontville in recent years.
1355 - Lomontville respond for a reported barn fire. West Hurley with 66-30 to the scene.
1357 - Lomontville 35-12 and 35-13 responding.
1359 - Lomontville command requesting a 2nd alarm
1401 - 2nd alarm transmitted for a working barn fire.

Hurley with 32-12 to the scene.
Ulster Hose with 61-12 and FASTeam to the scene.
Marbletown with 37-20 to the scene.
Marbletown Rescue with 1 ambulance to the scene.

1402 - Stone Ridge with 58-10, Olive with 44-10, and Vly-Atwood with 62-10 to standby at Lomontville's firehouse.
1404 - UCFIU with investigators to the scene
1406 - Marbletown Rescue 612 and Lomontville 35-11 responding.
1423 - Lomontville command advising they'll need Ulster Hose 61-12 to assist in cutting a hole in the roof.
1424 - Command reporting fire is knocked down.
1506 - 56-N on scene (fire investigator)
1604 - Vly-Atwood 62-10 released from standby duty.

Last winter, Town of Ulster PD were dispatched to a subject trying to go into the frozen Hudson River with his jetski, and ended up getting stuck on the ice. One LEO on scene called for the FD to assist, and when clearing the scene, the LEO said "subject nominated for a Darwin Award, back in service"

Date: 12/28/11
Time: 23:25 (Approx)
Location: Bear Mountain Parkway at Highland Avenue
Frequencies: EMS 10 / 453.400 / 453.225
Peekskill EMS Units: 7513, 75B2, 75B3, 75B4
Cortlandt ALS Unit: 35M1
Putnam ALS Unit: Medic 2
Mohegan EMS Unit: 69B3
Ossining EMS Unit: 74A1
Peekskill FD Units: 2341, 2342, R134
Other: Peekskill PD, WCDES EMS 11
Weather Conditions: Cold & Windy
Description Of Incident: Two-Car MVA
Reporters: Da' Box
Writer: Da' Box
Per 35M1 - 3 Level 1 Traumas & 2 BLS patients
75B2 ALS w/ 1 to WMC
75B3 ALS w/ 1 to WMC
75B4 ALS w/ 1 to WMC
69B3 BLS w/ 2 to WMC
Mohegan 69B2 covered another EMS call in Peekskill during this incident.
Cortlandt 88B2 on standby in own HQ for Peekskill.
Cortlandt 88B1 handling another incident in Cortlandt.
PFD Medic 39M2 tied up on decon from another incident.
OVAC 74A1 responded due to 36M1 being on a Croton call going to WMC via 55B1.
2nd Call in Croton, 34M1 (Yorktown) dispatched w/ 55B2.
PFD 2343, E131, TL45 handled a CO investigation at same time.

Ladies and Gentlemen, in this particular instance, Connecticut wins.

Regarding the site's editing policy, I'd just like to observe how the process has changed over time:
USED TO BE:
*You could delete any of your posts, anytime you felt like it. This apparently disrupted the flow of the threads, so it was eliminated.
*You could edit your posts going back in time with no limits.
*Used to be if you edited, it was a note at the bottom of the post.
NOW:
*There's an "edit window" where you get a chance to correct or reword for a limited amount of hours.
*If God forbid, you DO edit you weasel, it looks like a big dirty pencil eraser that says "edited by such and such" in bold letters.
*So think twice before you edit. It's obviously frowned upon. You weasel. lol
Edit: I admit it, I've edited!

Last winter, Town of Ulster PD were dispatched to a subject trying to go into the frozen Hudson River with his jetski, and ended up getting stuck on the ice. One LEO on scene called for the FD to assist, and when clearing the scene, the LEO said "subject nominated for a Darwin Award, back in service"

Last winter, Town of Ulster PD were dispatched to a subject trying to go into the frozen Hudson River with his jetski, and ended up getting stuck on the ice. One LEO on scene called for the FD to assist, and when clearing the scene, the LEO said "subject nominated for a Darwin Award, back in service"

This past weekend, I had the opportunity to travel up to Stratton, Vermont for some skiing and Buffing. I wasn’t able to photograph everything I wanted but here they are…

I know they're not great, but I'm happy with what I got. If you have any questions, just ask. All my photos from my trip can been seen on my Flickr Page. Hope you enjoyed them.

Sometimes, and it may just be once in a career, emergency workers are confronted with a situation that isn't "in the book" so they can't "go by the book". Officer Peck wasn't under the bus as a "rescue technician", he was under the bus as a HUMAN BEING giving comfort and support to another injured and frightened woman.
When the crane toppled and pinned Bridget Gurney in NYC, there was a monster response and the FD/PD/MD did the same thing Officer Peck did. They put their lives at risk to save her. If I recall correctly there were no guarantees that they wouldn't be killed or injured in a secondary collapse. We've all heard stories like it and it is one of the most compelling characteristics about our profession. In the face of obvious, and sometimes not so obvious, danger, we do something compassionate and caring for a total stranger.
Hopefully the first arriving rescue units insured that the bus was off, in park, wheels chocked and placed cribbing to protect them both.
I don't commend Officer Peck as a rescue technician and I'm glad the FD arrived promptly to extricate the victim; I commend him for doing something selfless and compassionate. We're reminded daily of all the negative things people in our profession do. This is a nice reminder about the positive things.

BNechis, I respect your experience and seemingly endless knowledge regarding policies, procedures, and emergency service operations, so this is absolutely nothing personal on my part, plus you weren't the only one to questionably comment his actions, but...
I agree with your statement that this forum is an educational "tool", and I have always been a big advocate of EMTBravo being an invaluable resource to learn from others. But you're initial post was not educational per-se, it was basically defamatory, full of statements that questioned this officers actions. Where is the educational value in asking rhetorical questions? It's one thing to give the officer his kudos for getting the job done, without any injury to himself, as well as further injury to the aided, and then educating the rest of us on some of the safety measures we should ensure we take at these incidents. That's educational. Ignoring the good job that was done, and posing several "well did he do this" and "did he do that" questions does not come across as educational. Maybe in the future, we can ensure that news reporters ask the first responder if the bus was put in park first and emergency brake applied before so we can further evaluate if a proper hazard analysis was conducted.
Emergency service courses teach lots of techniques, with a major emphasis on safety, and rightfully so. And based on certain situations, while the textbook scenario is ideally what we should follow, sometimes we, as first responders, make concessions after doing a risk vs. benefit analysis and do things at times that the textbook doesn't advocate. See, I didn't see you question, for educational value of course, when an off-duty FDNY firefighter ran into an structure fire to conduct a rescue of an occupant without the proper PPE. No one questioned it; we simply commended him on a job well done, and rightfully so. But I did see you start posting questions and comments when a similiar topic was posted here regarding a police officer who did the exact same thing, with the exact same positive outcome. What about the rope rescue FDNY conducted back in 1991 in Times Square where a firefighter was lowered with a rescue rope that was anchored off to other firefighters and violated numerous safety measures. Should we sit here and point out everything that was done questionably for eduational value, or commend them for a job well done in the face of the dangers that they faced? I am not in any way knocking the FDNY member who conducted this rescue, I think what he did was amazing, and I have nothing but the utmost respect for his actions that day. The list goes on and on of incidents where emergency service providers have taken part in rescues that did not necessarily follow the textbook. When we can follow the textbook, we definitely should. Safety guidelines are meant to protect our victims, and more importantly, to protect us. But, unless something was done that was so egregious, so unnecessary, so stupid as to endanger our other first responders, our victim, or ourselves, let's give credit where credit is due for doing a good job, while also educating the rest of us on how the textbook says we should do it.
In regards to awareness level training for Police Officers and EMS providers related to technical rescue and hazardous materials... there pretty much is none. I'm a big advocate for training, especially awareness level training for front line responders so they can adequately identify and potentially mitigate certain hazards at such incidents, but for whatever reason, this type of training is simply not conducted in this area. Part of the problem is a lack of interest from these groups to receive the training, and part of the problem is the fact that PD and EMS are typically "shut-out" from any type of training related to technical rescue and/or hazardous materials.

While I think the "get the job done first, safety second" statement is absolutely ludicrous, I think what's even more ludicrous is how individuals on here have to nitpick this officers actions as if he did something so egregiously dangerous, instead of applauding him for his actions on a job well done.

Date: 12/19/11
Time: 09:05 hours
Location: Prospect Pl x Albany Ave
Frequency: FDNY Brooklyn
Weather Conditions: cold
Description Of Incident: fire on the top floor and cockloft of a 3 story brownstone, mayday transmitted. News reports confirms several FFs injured, at least one with serious burns.
Reporters/Writer: ryang
News Link: http://www.myfoxny.com/dpp/news/2-firefighters-inhured-in-brooklyn-blaze-20111219-APX
Additional Info:
Crown Heights, Brooklyn, NY, 12/19/11
Address: 1100 Prospect Pl @ Albany Ave
09:06 hours
Phone Box 920 - Report of fire in a multiple dwelling, possible people trapped.
Engs. 234, 214, 227
TL111, L132
Battalion 38
Rescue 2
10-75-920 - 09:09 hours
E235
L113 (FAST Truck)
Battalion 57
Division 15
Squad 252
7-5-920 - 09:13 hours
Battalion 38: Box 920, All-Hands, extra engine and truck, we have fire on the top floor of a 3 story 20x40 brownstone. Exposure 1 is a street, 2 is a similar attached, 3 is unknown, 4 is a similar attached.
E280, L176 S/C
RAC2
2-2-920 - 09:14 hours
BC38: 920, 2nd Alarm, we've got a MAYDAY.
Engs 217, 249, 222
E207 w/ Satellite 6
L174
TL120 (FAST Truck)
Battalion 37 (Safety Officer)
Battalion 41 (Resource Unit Leader)
Safety, Rescue Battalions
Tactical Support 2
FieldCom 1, Command Tactical Unit
Car 10 (DAC Kevin Butler, Bronx Borough Commander)

09:14 hours
BC38: Need EMS forthwith
09:17 hours
The staging area is Albany Ave and Bergen St
09:19 hours
EMS reports numerous units en-route
09:21 hours
Car 17 (BC Michael F. Gala Jr, Chief of Personnel) is responding

09:21 hours - Duration 16 minutes
Division 15: All members are accounted for, can I get a mixer off.
Note: Progress report relayed to Citywide that as per Division 15, there was fire in the cockloft with 2 lines stretched and in operation, all members were accounted for.
09:31 hours
By orders of Car 11D, Rescue Battalion is responding to the hospital, not the 2nd Alarm.
09:31 hours
Car 4G (DAC Edward Baggott, Deputy Assistant Chief of Operations) is responding

09:33 hours - Duration 28 minutes
L103, L102 S/C
09:43 hours - Duration 38 minutes
FieldCom: Progress Report on the 2nd Alarm at Box 920, at this time Division 15 reports: all visible fire has been extinguished, primary searches of the fire building and both exposure 2 and exposure 4 are complete and negative, secondaries are in progress, and the fire remains Doubtful. Also L113 is resuming the role of FAST truck, L120 has been put to work.
10:02 hours - Duration 57 minutes
FC: Progress Report on the 2nd Alarm at Box 920, at this time DAC Baggott, Car 4G reports: secondary searches in the fire building, exposure 2 and exposure 4 are complete and negative, and he's placing the fire at Probably Will Hold. Also can I get a mixer-off message.
10:06 hours
Car 14C (Fire Marshal) is responding
10:06 hours
FC: As per DAC Baggott, he would like a Battalion Chief on Staten Island to respond to the hospital where members are being transported, k.
Battalion 21 S/C to respond to the hospital
10:11 hours
FC: We have a correction on the address at 2nd Alarm Box 920, the address is 1100. 1102 is exposure 2.
10:16 hours - Duration 1 hour 11 minutes
FC: Progress Report #6 on the 2nd Alarm at Box 920, at this time DAC Baggott, Car 4G reports: he's placing the fire Under Control, k.
Relocations: E216/214, E236/222, E237/234, E205/235, L126/103, TL146/111, L156/113, TL107/120, L122/174

E-40-10
Make: KME
Year Built: 2009
Pump Size: 1250 GPM
Tank Size: 1000 Gallons
Primary Purpose: Attack Engine
T-40-20
Make: Freightliner/American LaFrance
Year Built: 2003
Pump Size: 1250 GPM
Tank Size: 2500 Gallons
Primary Purpose: Tanker/Secondary Attack
Specialized Equipment: 4 SCBA
3000 Gallon Fold-a-tank
3 - 10" Quick Dumps
E-40-30
Make: International/Tibotrac
Year Built: 1998
Pump Size: 1250 GPM
Tank Size: 750 Gallons
Primary Purpose: Supply/MVA/Brush Fire
Specialized Equipment: 2000' of 5" Hose
Brush Firefighting Equipment
500 GPM Portable Pump
R-40-50
Make: Ford/Amthor
Year Built: 1995
Pump Size: N/A
Tank Size: N/A
Primary Purpose: Light Rescue/Medical
Specialized Equipment: Extrication Equipment
4 Bottle Cascade System
5kw Generator and
640
Make: Ford/Medtec
Year Built: 2006
Pump Size: N/A
Tank Size: N/A
Primary Purpose: BLS Ambulance
Specialized Equipment: AED
2 Bottle Oxygen System
Retired E-40-10 (Currently in action at the Mohonk Mountain House Fire Brigaide)
Make: Spartan/Quality
Year Built: 1993
Pump Size: 1250 GPM
Tank Size: 1000 Gallons
Primary Purpose: Attack
Retired: 2009
Retired E-40-10 #2
Make: Sanford
Year Built: 1968
Pump Size: 750 GPM
Tank Size: 750 Gallons
Primary Purpose: Attack
Retired: 1993
Retired E-40-20 (Cuurently active in Grape Creek Fire Department, SC.)
Make: International/Quality
Year Built: 1988
Pump Size: 1250 GPM
Tank Size: 1000 Gallons
Primary Purpose: Supply
Retired: 2003
Retired M-40-30
Make: Chevrolet
Year Built: 1969
Pump Size: 250 GPM
Tank Size: 200 Gallons
Primary Purpose: Brush Fires
Retired: 1998
Retired E-40-40
Make: FMC
Year Built: 1979
Pump Size: 750 GPM
Tank Size: 750 Gallons
Primary Purpose: Supply
Retired: 1998

Really? What if my 16 month old daughter was in the garage and the snake got to her or my wife? As much as I love animals, including my dog which could have easily been killed, I love my family and dog more. This is a REALLY dangerous animal.
And further FYI, juvenille rattesnakes are the most agressive. They use their venom not matter what, where adult rattlesnakes conserve theirs more and may even "dry bite". This particular variety I spoke with a LEO who is a snake expert and he told me I did the right thing as this was an especially vicous breed. It's also important that the public know what these types of snakes look like. (You never know who up north is keeping them as pets)
If it wasn't on the sticky pad, IF I could capture it safely, I would put it back into the wild far away. But that was not an option. As mentioned, I love my family, and I don't want to possibly be severly injured or die handling this snake.

My heart felt condolences go out to the members of Worcester MA FD and the family and friends of their member who answer his last alarm on 12/8/11. A loss is very difficult at any age, at any time and under any circumstances. Remember, he will always be with you, no matter what. My family will keep all of you in our thoughts and prayers during this most difficult time.
The last alarm
My father was a fireman.
He drove a big red truck
and when he'd go to work each day
he'd say "Mother wish me luck".
Then Dad would not come home again
'til some time the next day.
But the thing that bothered me the most
was the thing's some folks would say,
"A fireman's life is easy,
he eats and sleeps and plays,
and sometime's he won't fight a fire
for days and days and day's".
When I first heard these words
I was to young to understand
but I knew when people had trouble
Dad was there to lend a hand.
Then my father went to work one day
and he kissed us all goodbye
but little did we realize
that night we all would cry.
My father lost his life that night
when the floor gave way below
and I'd wondered why he'd risked his life
for someone he didn't know.
But now I truly realize
the greatest gift a man can give
is to lay his life upon the line
so that someone else might live.
So as we go from day to day
and we pray to God above
say a prayer for your local Firemen.
He may save the one's you love.
Carved in stone at the National Monument for
Fallen Firefighters Colorado Springs, Co.