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From the EMTBravo.com archives. Photos originally posted to Protection From The Past-Cutty630 Archives 3-27-05.
 
Mount Kisco-Business District
Major Emergency Structure Fire
South Moger Ave 11-25-1996
Photos By, From, And Thanks To The Archives Of Cutty630
 
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The first step is admitting one has a problem, and since agencies can't or won't do that even after the 3rd or 4th tone out.
 
the leadership in most agencies do not want change! 

 
I have a ton in the EMTBravo archive. I'm going to make these "Blasts From The Past" a regular feature I think. I have a lot of not only incidents from the past decade, but incidents going back several decades from the "Protection From The Past" archive.  Maybe I will try and post a feature every Saturday.

This is the problem they are paid beans compared to other jobs outside the city the legislature voted themselves a 32% raise what bullets do they take there have been 4 cops in NYPD shot in the last few weeks my son is a cop  in the projects where there are a lot of drugs and guns the money needs to be up there like other jobs

 
 
A little blast from the past here, 14 years ago. Former Forum Admin Truck 4 produced this awesome feature and there are no words I can say of how appreciative of him for this. 2004 was a busy and tragic year in Westchester.  Links in the Incident Alert dicussion thread do not work but I will update those soon. Click on the links to view the Incident Alert. I'm proud that we have a searchable database of 14 years worth of topics that you can research.
 
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Incidents were selected by a panel of EMTBravo.com moderators and select members by vote and also ranked based on, with no factor holding any more weight than another, size and scope of incident, response to incident, loss of life, effect on response, training and operating policy. EMTBravo Network Incident Alert Moderator Truck4 Created And Developed The Idea For This List, As Well As Compiled, Ranked, And Wrote All The Information. Special Thanks To Truck4 For His Work On This Project, And To All Who Participated And Supported This Project.
 
 

Maybe if NYC paid their cops a decent wage guys wouldn't be jumping ship. 1% raise for cops, double digits for city council...
The city shows no respect to NYPD.

NYPD now has a 2 year waiting list.  10 years ago you got in, in 2 months.  About 16 years ago Mayor Guiliani had the state change the law on NYPD lateral transfers.  Used to be if you were NYPD and wanted to work out east or north simply go to that department and submit your resume no need to take the towns and villages test.  Now of course you do.  NYPD was losing so many cops to the suburbs they had to do something so they did.  And now recently NYPD pushed the state to pass the law getting reimbursement from towns taking cops with 5years or less.  So to answer your question of better shot? not really.  Getting a job in the towns and villages is like getting the golden ticket in wildly Wonka. 

AFS you are absolutely correct.  Here is the thing the NYPD is a interesting situation and this is what I mean.  You can go to the NYPD and be a patrolman your whole career which is fine and work in the same PCT.  Or you can easily become a boss and climb the ranks and retire from there and go on to do many things with a great salary in your new gig.  Maybe running a department in Westchester or a security firm or head of security for some of the big corporations and so on.  Or you get into a specialized unit as a cop and retire and go make some good money working for one of these bosses now in the private sector.  Maybe driving and doing security for a high profile person.   So much opportunity. Sometimes none of the above I meet cops and they want to do their 20 and move down south, nothing more.   Now NYPD cops make I think now after the total 2% raise top pay is $78k at 5.5 years.  Add on night diff if you work after 4pm and before 7am I think those are the hours. Add holiday pay and longevity you are up to $91-93k. A lot of OT and giving up many days off and you can make $100-110. Or you go to Anytown, NY in the east end or up north and walking in the door the top pay is $105+. And that maybe 5-7or so steps to that top pay Depending where.  You do a hell of a lot less, then NYPD and you don't have to walk the beat or do OT which is always for awful details and working high crime areas on day off from 530pm-2am or 4am. Miss a lot of family time to make that $105k.  But in those towns the opportunities I listed above will not happen forba large majority of cops and majority don't move up in rank because there are 40 cops competing for that 1 Sgt spot.  Yes getting the job is lucky but 75% of NYPD cops maybe even more would leave to go else where especially the past several years.  After getting on in the city you don't feel so lucky anymore.  You are 1 step closer to prison and being on the front page 

I can see why this is an issue for NYC, and I can sort of see how the individual may not be dealing with the first department completely ethically. However many people looking for a career take multiple tests. Very often you have no real idea when your are going to come up on someone's list. So a department calls you and offers you the job, you take it. Then a short time later another department offers you a better job and you take that. Outside of public safety we would just call that climbing the ladder of success. Here we call it poaching.

NYPD now has a 2 year waiting list.  10 years ago you got in, in 2 months.  About 16 years ago Mayor Guiliani had the state change the law on NYPD lateral transfers.  Used to be if you were NYPD and wanted to work out east or north simply go to that department and submit your resume no need to take the towns and villages test.  Now of course you do.  NYPD was losing so many cops to the suburbs they had to do something so they did.  And now recently NYPD pushed the state to pass the law getting reimbursement from towns taking cops with 5years or less.  So to answer your question of better shot? not really.  Getting a job in the towns and villages is like getting the golden ticket in wildly Wonka. 

NYPD now has a 2 year waiting list.  10 years ago you got in, in 2 months.  About 16 years ago Mayor Guiliani had the state change the law on NYPD lateral transfers.  Used to be if you were NYPD and wanted to work out east or north simply go to that department and submit your resume no need to take the towns and villages test.  Now of course you do.  NYPD was losing so many cops to the suburbs they had to do something so they did.  And now recently NYPD pushed the state to pass the law getting reimbursement from towns taking cops with 5years or less.  So to answer your question of better shot? not really.  Getting a job in the towns and villages is like getting the golden ticket in wildly Wonka. 

NYPD now has a 2 year waiting list.  10 years ago you got in, in 2 months.  About 16 years ago Mayor Guiliani had the state change the law on NYPD lateral transfers.  Used to be if you were NYPD and wanted to work out east or north simply go to that department and submit your resume no need to take the towns and villages test.  Now of course you do.  NYPD was losing so many cops to the suburbs they had to do something so they did.  And now recently NYPD pushed the state to pass the law getting reimbursement from towns taking cops with 5years or less.  So to answer your question of better shot? not really.  Getting a job in the towns and villages is like getting the golden ticket in wildly Wonka. 

Whats interesting is that in Westchester if you created a county wide department, minus Yonkers and New Rochelle. Closed fire houses because some small towns have 4 houses when they probably need 1 or 2. Or you have 2 towns next to each other and Town A fire house sits right on the town line that borders Town B and is closer to respond to areas in Town B but doesn't and Town B firehouse is half a mile or more away. If you consolidated, closed firehouses, got rid of apparatus. Westchester probably only needs 2 Rescues. 1 in the north and 1 in the south. If Manhattan only has 1 then westchester doesn't need more. Towns in the Sound Shore probably can get away with 6 firehouses. Now think about the savings- less apparatus, less firehouses to keep maintaining, the equipment. Thats a lot of savings. Plus in this study did they count the total amount of volunteers? meaning the non active guys? I have nothing against volunteers none at all. But common sense around Westchester is you could probably save millions by consolidating and have response based not on town lines. Taxes are high enough and i just believe this would bring savings. But it will never happen based on many factors.

Whats interesting is that in Westchester if you created a county wide department, minus Yonkers and New Rochelle. Closed fire houses because some small towns have 4 houses when they probably need 1 or 2. Or you have 2 towns next to each other and Town A fire house sits right on the town line that borders Town B and is closer to respond to areas in Town B but doesn't and Town B firehouse is half a mile or more away. If you consolidated, closed firehouses, got rid of apparatus. Westchester probably only needs 2 Rescues. 1 in the north and 1 in the south. If Manhattan only has 1 then westchester doesn't need more. Towns in the Sound Shore probably can get away with 6 firehouses. Now think about the savings- less apparatus, less firehouses to keep maintaining, the equipment. Thats a lot of savings. Plus in this study did they count the total amount of volunteers? meaning the non active guys? I have nothing against volunteers none at all. But common sense around Westchester is you could probably save millions by consolidating and have response based not on town lines. Taxes are high enough and i just believe this would bring savings. But it will never happen based on many factors.

Whats interesting is that in Westchester if you created a county wide department, minus Yonkers and New Rochelle. Closed fire houses because some small towns have 4 houses when they probably need 1 or 2. Or you have 2 towns next to each other and Town A fire house sits right on the town line that borders Town B and is closer to respond to areas in Town B but doesn't and Town B firehouse is half a mile or more away. If you consolidated, closed firehouses, got rid of apparatus. Westchester probably only needs 2 Rescues. 1 in the north and 1 in the south. If Manhattan only has 1 then westchester doesn't need more. Towns in the Sound Shore probably can get away with 6 firehouses. Now think about the savings- less apparatus, less firehouses to keep maintaining, the equipment. Thats a lot of savings. Plus in this study did they count the total amount of volunteers? meaning the non active guys? I have nothing against volunteers none at all. But common sense around Westchester is you could probably save millions by consolidating and have response based not on town lines. Taxes are high enough and i just believe this would bring savings. But it will never happen based on many factors.

Whats interesting is that in Westchester if you created a county wide department, minus Yonkers and New Rochelle. Closed fire houses because some small towns have 4 houses when they probably need 1 or 2. Or you have 2 towns next to each other and Town A fire house sits right on the town line that borders Town B and is closer to respond to areas in Town B but doesn't and Town B firehouse is half a mile or more away. If you consolidated, closed firehouses, got rid of apparatus. Westchester probably only needs 2 Rescues. 1 in the north and 1 in the south. If Manhattan only has 1 then westchester doesn't need more. Towns in the Sound Shore probably can get away with 6 firehouses. Now think about the savings- less apparatus, less firehouses to keep maintaining, the equipment. Thats a lot of savings. Plus in this study did they count the total amount of volunteers? meaning the non active guys? I have nothing against volunteers none at all. But common sense around Westchester is you could probably save millions by consolidating and have response based not on town lines. Taxes are high enough and i just believe this would bring savings. But it will never happen based on many factors.

When I posted about air raid sirens I got really no responses or a little debate of should we bring them back but only for weather emergency. Discussion never got off the ground. Why bother? Honestly after that I am done trying here. Ivan get way better info else where. And Seth not for nothing in the past we have heard about plans for future only to have you ask for money or hear personal issues set you back. I'm sorry to hear some of the things you have gone through. Many people go through a lot. But also sounds like you are holding onto the site for you.

When I posted about air raid sirens I got really no responses or a little debate of should we bring them back but only for weather emergency. Discussion never got off the ground. Why bother? Honestly after that I am done trying here. Ivan get way better info else where. And Seth not for nothing in the past we have heard about plans for future only to have you ask for money or hear personal issues set you back. I'm sorry to hear some of the things you have gone through. Many people go through a lot. But also sounds like you are holding onto the site for you.

This has already been discussed here. Basically a handful of the several hundred registered users actually check this site. FB and Twitter have made the incident alert obsolete on this forum. Social media with quick updates posted under initial post make this forum extinct. And again people left unhappy with the administration running this site so many people said screw it and left and many people followed who agreed. They since started the sites I mention above on Facebook and Twitter. Thank you and don't forget to tip your waitress.

This has already been discussed here. Basically a handful of the several hundred registered users actually check this site. FB and Twitter have made the incident alert obsolete on this forum. Social media with quick updates posted under initial post make this forum extinct. And again people left unhappy with the administration running this site so many people said screw it and left and many people followed who agreed. They since started the sites I mention above on Facebook and Twitter. Thank you and don't forget to tip your waitress.

Yeah I remember the fire horns. They were used in many towns until about 10 years ago. I don't mind FD horns being used anymore. Technology today allows volunteers to be notified a number of different ways so there is no need for them. I remember those being tested nightly as well. But for storms/ warnings / flood I think this is a good idea to alert the public. Not a daily thing where it would annoy the public, tornado warning especially is dangerous and like everywhere else in US we should have it here. We do get tornados. iE Brooklyn and Hawthorne

I have a question. What happened to the old air raid sirens here in Westchester? I remember as a kid noontime on Saturday they went off for weekly test. That ended early 1990's or late 80's? Why not bring it back for tornado warnings? Severe storms seem to happen more and more and it would make sense to bring it back. Sometimes people are not paying attention to smart phone/tv or radio. Especially listening to satellite radio. Just an idea I had. Does it make sense to any of you? Feasible?

I myself stopped checking this site frequently a while ago. When I saw this topic I couldn't agree more. What drove this site in the early years was that buffs (and I say that in a positive way. all of us in emergency service are buffs. Just some little more then others.) was that all fires and big incident were listed. Those of us not near a scanner or too far north or too far south could read updates and get some photos. Now when you have FB and Twitter with up to date fire wires or emergency wire (nyc fire wire, kempter and Westchester fire wire constantly updating from emergency personnel in the field. Especially since smart phones make it easy to check and post on social media, this site died. Majority of people that were here wanted updates on incidents so social media changed that. Then the volly vs career in every topic killed things. Then asking for money and Seth having problems personally and publicly added to it. Many people seem to have a problem with the founder. Many people left and abandoned the site. The list of the usernames is misleading now. A few years ago I messaged and asked to delete my old username and stated why. I got no reply from Seth or any admin after several messages to them. So that sealed it for me and I noticed the decline was in full swing anyway. I created my current name. When I check and see something worth reading maybe I'll post. But more and more to me the site is dead.

Very true when the clean house happened many people left after hearing some of the "rumors" as to why. Also agree you post a harmless incident and then the bashing started. So no one wanted to post even a incident anymore. Why would you want to when it came to bashing. And yes one of my last post was in reference to tech rescue and a volly vs career dept response. I don't think I was bashing. More like I would go with 1 over the other because it makes sense.

I myself stopped checking this site frequently a while ago. When I saw this topic I couldn't agree more. What drove this site in the early years was that buffs (and I say that in a positive way. all of us in emergency service are buffs. Just some little more then others.) was that all fires and big incident were listed. Those of us not near a scanner or too far north or too far south could read updates and get some photos. Now when you have FB and Twitter with up to date fire wires or emergency wire (nyc fire wire, kempter and Westchester fire wire constantly updating from emergency personnel in the field. Especially since smart phones make it easy to check and post on social media, this site died. Majority of people that were here wanted updates on incidents so social media changed that. Then the volly vs career in every topic killed things. Then asking for money and Seth having problems personally and publicly added to it. Many people seem to have a problem with the founder. Many people left and abandoned the site. The list of the usernames is misleading now. A few years ago I messaged and asked to delete my old username and stated why. I got no reply from Seth or any admin after several messages to them. So that sealed it for me and I noticed the decline was in full swing anyway. I created my current name. When I check and see something worth reading maybe I'll post. But more and more to me the site is dead.