velcroMedic1987

There's no such thing as "half a crew". Either you have a crew or you don't. Paging for drivers, EMT's, or one of my favorites "attendant" is just compounding the delays. You should have to have a crew on duty (and I would argue that they have to be with the ambulance) so you can actually arrive in time to save a life.

If there has already been a 20 minute delay between the 911 call and the ambulance responding, turn the damn lights and siren off. You're no better than a pizza delivery guy at that point.

Bnechis

Confused now. I reviewed my original post and all subsequent responses I made, as well as others. I can't find where I mentioned or tied this into "Federal Grant?"

Appreciate, however, your explanation. I'm still not so sure, however, whether its 100 percent "voluntary" tax donations for tax break benefits of the donor. As opposed

to having some surplus of tax-payer money that perhaps goes into a general fund to help subsidize such grants.

Steve,

This district from what am understanding gives preference to take on current certified NYS EMT's whom are already working with Commercial Ambulance services

here in the Hudson Valley, so it relieves them of having to pay money out to send an eligible member to take the class. Maybe perhaps this organization has to do a

better job in clarifying and explaining this when the Volunteer Recruitment Interview committee interviews the applicant. This way applicant isn't wasting his or her time

and not disappointed down the road.

Lots of agencies recruit or give preference to certified/experienced EMT's. Taking an EMT with commercial experience significantly reduces the time before they can fill a hole in your schedule.

Not sure what you mean about an applicant wasting his time or being disappionted down the road. Sounds like you need to voice your complaint/concern to the "recruitment/interview committee".

Goons? Blimp uniforms? Didn't have the guts to admit it? What's your problem with the police? They're doing a tough job under miserable conditions and you're calling them goons? That's just messed up!

I saw another video on the news this morning about some crazy carjacker in Colorado being taken down on the highway by a cop who used the same technique to bring the guy down - arm around the neck. There are not a lot of other/better options to take down a guy especially one who's 6'5 and 300+ pounds without using significant force (like taking out a knee or two). Martial artists learn that where the head goes the body follows so here we are.......

I think there are far more unprofessional things on the radio. Like, third tones for a crew... An EMT is needed....

XXXX on scene, working fire, retone for all available personnel...

Pathetic. Pathetic on so many levels.

What content is acceptable for viewing here and which threads get locked so there can be no discussion?

How did we get on a gun rights tangent?

Simply saying "evacuate" isn't an answer!

Suppose there are additional suspects are outside or there are other hazards created specifically to injure first responders or evacuees.

What if it's an elementary school with 30 kids in the class and 1 teacher? You can't simply turn the kids loose without a plan for them to be accounted for and supervised.

Right, because doors can't be breached. , And in this case, that window next to it renders the device pointless.

How about teachers leave the emergency response to the professionals

Historically, doors haven't been breached during these kinds of incidents so securing the door so it simply can't be "pulled open" may in fact save lives.

Not a really big deal. Teachers have them in their rooms and if a lockdown is called or they hear shots they can secure the room from inside.

Hardly them trying to do emergency response.

It is the same thing. In the statute, it is not called a 'red light', it is called a "traffic control device".

No. A red light is a 3 point violation of section 1111. Disobeying a traffic control device may include a red light but it also includes all manner of traffic control devices (signs, painted markings, etc.) and is a two point violation.

Is there a copy of this decision on line that we can read ?

http://www.ccrjustice.org/ourcases/current-cases/united-states-america-v.-city-new-york-(previously-vulcan-society-v.-city-new

5.14.2013 Decision.pdf

This extensive trial, funded by the Department of Defense, will be in Richmond, Pittsburgh and Denver, cities known for top-notch EMS and trauma systems, as well as strong partnerships with local hospitals.

That rules out seeing this in NY.

Disgusting, disgraceful, but not at all surprising.

Where's the program to make sure heart attack or stroke victims (or any other taxpayer suffering from illness or injury) get an ambulance in Westchester in a timely fashion?

Heroin overdoses resulting in respiratory depression account for what percentage of calls? 1/10 of 1/10 of 1%?

What percentage of calls have a delayed response because a VAC can't get a crew out or a commercial company has all its units running? 30-40%?

This is a bandaid on someone in multi-systems trauma. The EMS system is broken but we won't address that.

Mt Vernon says it isn't needed (in bold caps no less) http://cmvny.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/01/2013-Firefighter-Exam.pdf

I should have guessed. Wow, that's pretty sad.

Depends on where your applying. Some places you don't need a HD or a GED. Not that I agree with it! I think it's ludicrous!

Where would that be? Every civil service job I've ever seen in NYS required at least HS/GED.

Sadly that trend seems to be reversing in the name of fairness and "diversity". The FDNY used to require college credits as a condition of employment, that has since been reduced to 6 months of "work experience". Apparently the ability to learn and apply your knowledge isn't as important to municipalities as what ethnic group you hail from. Don't be surprised if you see more of these requirements disappearing as well as the lowering of standards and requirements for promotions all in the name of "diversity".

Must be that they're trying to dumb down the FD cause the PD still requires it.

To become a New York City Police Officer, you must have 60 college credits (with a least a 2.0 GPA) from an accredited college or university. The only exception to this requirement is if you have completed two years active military service.

I think he means "guidance," its definitely not a standard yet.

http://www.usfa.fema.gov/downloads/pdf/publications/active_shooter_guide.pdf

More useless gibberish from the Feds. Do they really need to keep regurgitating ICS and slapping a new title on it?

The more important issue that needs to be focused on is if these young adults want go on to a career in emergency services they are going to need a HS diploma with a decent GPA because most promotions now look for college credits. If they are looking in other directions and being a volunteer is just for the "volunteer" section of the college app then they still need to focus on that GPA. A side from that if they are content on practicing the line "do you want fries with that?" then by all mean stay out all night seven nights a week. What needs to be understood is these "unfair" rules are being "imposed" by a group of well seasoned adults that "have been there, done that" and trying to provide guidance that to a young mind can appear to be restriction.

Not just for promotions. Most civil service positions now require college credits at the ENTRY LEVEL. Getting a good job with nothing more than a HS diploma is fast becoming a thing of the past.

One of the more ridiculous posts I've seen on here in a long time. Many others have beaten the horse to death- if you are relying on a bunch of high school kids for your first alarm assignment, you have big problems. I started back in the day as an 18 year old with 6 months of high school left to go. My department had no "junior" members and therefore no special rules. Small town, everyone knew me for many years, it was left to my discretion, my parents didn't put any limitations on me, and I graduated with high honors from high school. Fast forward 35+ years, I have my own son who is a 17 year old junior member where we live now. Just finishing FF1 this week. Given the chance, he'd be running on every call he could grab. I as his father have placed limitations on what he is allowed to respond to, and that generally means he goes to NOTHING on school nights once he goes toes up in bed (I still go, but without him). No one in previous posts has mentioned the parental element in this discussion. As a parent of a minor, I make the decisions for my son, not the fire district and not the school when it comes to this topic. He can make all the weekend calls he wants, but if I find out he left school for an alarm, or took his pager to school, that's the end of it.

Yeah, you hit the nail on the head!

PARENTS! Not the school, not the FD, not the government.

Good for you!!!

This is great to hear and put out there to main stream media. But my concern is ems well because i work in the field, I know they have classes on combat medic and stuff but have they reached out to local als agencies to also meet the new standards that fed has come up with for a response to such an incident. having ems run right in side by side with PD to save more lives?

What federal standards are you referring to? Can you share the info?

EMS can contact the PD too. Why wait for them to contact you?

There's 18 and 19 yr olds fighting for our freedom and getting no sleep. Get your asses out of bed and go help your Community no matter what the time! s*** I did it which was once and a blue moon and still kept my grades up. Where the hell are these kids Volunteering Bed Stuy and Crown Heights for God's sake? Suck it up!

Please don't compare serving in the military with being a volunteer FF. There is no comparison at all.

Back to the bambi bucket question since brush fire season is upon us... What kind of air resources are available for "water drops" for example Brewster yesterday.

New York State Police

New York City Police

Westchester County Police

NY Air National Guard (limited availability depending on deployments, etc.)

For a major fire, other agencies could be brought into the area by the State (Forest Rangers through OEM).

State Police used to have a requirement that there be a forest ranger on site before they would respond but I don't know if that's true still.

I've always wondered the same thing, but I think the main issue as previously mentioned is the area crews cover as well as their distance from the trucks (or if they're lucky enough to have a company vehicle at home).

The other day I passed a ConEd truck (Chevy Colorado I believe) somewhere in the Northern Westchester area that definitely looked to be equipped with red lights and sirens. It had red "EMERGENCY" lettered on the front and sides as well. Anyone seen the same or know what these are used for?

I don't know about the red lights or sirens but EMERGENCY could be a couple of things. Electric troubleshooters and the ERG's (emergency response group) are their first responders. They gave a great class at the training center a while back. I think they all have "emergency" in red on their trucks.

If you haven't been to their class you should. Really opens your eyes to the hazards out there that we sometimes overlook.

I'm not sure anyone is saying that drinking can't be a part of the after service tradition, but how it's done and the public view should be considered. Firefighters in uniform urinating on people's lawns? There has to be some boundaries and thought behind the public image you present. if you have a reasonable expectation of privacy, that's a bit different in my eyes. I know I've been witness (and party to) a things that I'd not want to have been in public but were not at all unreasonable being in Florian Hall in Boston or another locals private drinking establishment.

Why does drinking have to be a part of the tradition - for funerals or parades? If you want to get drunk, don't go to an event with lots of cameras, critics and big heavy trucks that need to be driven around.

Funerals have become social events and it's sad. It is supposed to be a somber showing of respect to the fallen and appreciation to the family but now its become a party event. Go back to your firehouse if you want to have a party. It doesn't need to be on the streets and in public view of those thinking there's a funeral going on.

We are our own worst enemies and the proliferation of cameras and internet distribution of photos/video makes it much easier for stupid behavior to be spread like wildfire.

There's no excuse for drinking in uniform or urinating in public places.